Am I the only one?

[conner01]

unless you have to top pick in the draft then the odds are you have a backup plan. and if you are in the middle of the draft then you are likley to need to use than plan, or even your backup to your backup plan. thats just how the draft works

 

[Doomsday101]

unless you have to top pick in the draft then the odds are you have a backup plan. and if you are in the middle of the draft then you are likley to need to use than plan, or even your backup to your backup plan. thats just how the draft works

Based on guys they were high on DL and OL was in both plans. More work to do

 

[cmoney23]

I guess my frustration is more with the accolades that the staff is getting and the "plan" when I don't think this was the "plan" at all... I just think we fell into these Oline men (thank GOD) and they have worked out. I'm not bashing the team at all... Love the cowboys... just saying the pub we're getting seems silly if you look at the facts surrounding the picks.

 

[ConstantReboot]

That thinks that this team is more built on Luck that a "Process"?

I read an article on here that went on waxing poetically that this was the work of Garret's Process and how we are now seeing it because of the Oline overhall... and I have to kind of laugh.

Just a few days ago I was listening to the radio and they had someone on talking about how the cowboys where SOLD on drafting Ryan Shazier out of OSU.
http://cowboysblog.***BANNED-URL***...e-with-dallas-when-steelers-drafted-him.html/
And Martin was there "back up plan" And I have to think that last year and getting Fredrick was a similar situation. When they moved back and by some reports where "confused and trying to move out" of the pick again. And were "forced" to draft Fredrick. There was even stories about how they where so confused they missed on a higher rated player on there board.
http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...an-do-to-avoid-2013-s-draft-day-confusion.ece
and then there McClain... the MVP of our Defense. He wouldn't even be on the team if we didn't lose Lee for the season... I LOVE Lee... he's one of my favorite players... but I think McClain is out performing him comparatively to seasons previous.

So I have to give pause to this whole "process" praise I keep hearing and how we "set out to rebuild the line" with three first round picks and this was the plan. BULL CRAP. And then there is the coaches. Garrett never wanted to fire Rob Ryan and never wanted to relinquish play calling duties and HAD to bring an OC...

idk, just some thoughts...

I never doubted that Garrett had a plan but it was not the plan of smashmouth run the ball football. However, I was ripped a new one for stating the fact. Sometimes people here want to believe what they want to believe.

The media are making stuff up as if knew from the beginning what the 3 year plan was. They didn't know just like we didn't know what it was and were in the dark as anyone else. Now they pretend they know everything about the Cowboys. Seriously.......

Some people here last year in this board brought up the fact that our strength was running the ball and not the pass. Everyone including the media overlooked that. Now they want to tell the world like that knew it all along.

 

[Derekmtl85]

I guess my frustration is more with the accolades that the staff is getting and the "plan" when I don't think this was the "plan" at all... I just think we fell into these Oline men (thank GOD) and they have worked out. I'm not bashing the team at all... Love the cowboys... just saying the pub we're getting seems silly if you look at the facts surrounding the picks.

They still drafted those players, when they could have drafted others who would have been/could have been busts.

So again...part luck, part them knowing what they are doing.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

But all the accolades about building this offensive line are balanced on Martin and his outstanding play.

Had other teams chosen differently, Martin could have belonged to another team.

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If the Draft 2013 and 2014 were held today Martin and Frederick are top 10 picks. Martin might crack the top 5, that's how dominant he has been. Not sure Jerry realizes the difference Zach has made. The guy is a Rock, we stay healthy on the OL the possibilities are endless. By Half-Time the look on the Seattle bench was like a Boxer being whooped for 10 Rounds, the Sea Hawks faces looked lost and physically beaten down after 2 Quarters.

 

[Idgit]

I'd say you're not the only one, but that it puts you in some questionable company.

The harder you work, the luckier you get.

 

[tyke1doe]

Luck favors the prepared. Didn't Jimmy Johnson say that?

The 90s Cowboys were lucky too. If the Packers hadn't won a meaningless game against Phoenix, they would have had the first pick in the draft and would have chosen James Francis later in the draft but Seau was better). If we had done that, we likely don't get Emmitt Smith.

If we found a team to trade up for prior to Cincinnati, we don't get Emmitt Smith because we were trying to get back up in the draft to take Francis. Furthermore, if we don't jump up to Pittsburgh's No. 17 spot, Atlanta drafts Emmitt Smith instead of Steve Broussard.

Luck is a part of the process. But you still have to have a process. The Cowboys could have panicked and picked a defensive player or even an offensive player. But since the players they wanted weren't there, they picked the best offensive linemen available. And, as they say, the rest is history.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

That thinks that this team is more built on Luck that a "Process"?

I read an article on here that went on waxing poetically that this was the work of Garret's Process and how we are now seeing it because of the Oline overhall... and I have to kind of laugh.

Just a few days ago I was listening to the radio and they had someone on talking about how the cowboys where SOLD on drafting Ryan Shazier out of OSU.
http://cowboysblog.***BANNED-URL***...e-with-dallas-when-steelers-drafted-him.html/
And Martin was there "back up plan" And I have to think that last year and getting Fredrick was a similar situation. When they moved back and by some reports where "confused and trying to move out" of the pick again. And were "forced" to draft Fredrick. There was even stories about how they where so confused they missed on a higher rated player on there board.
http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...an-do-to-avoid-2013-s-draft-day-confusion.ece
and then there McClain... the MVP of our Defense. He wouldn't even be on the team if we didn't lose Lee for the season... I LOVE Lee... he's one of my favorite players... but I think McClain is out performing him comparatively to seasons previous.

So I have to give pause to this whole "process" praise I keep hearing and how we "set out to rebuild the line" with three first round picks and this was the plan. BULL CRAP. And then there is the coaches. Garrett never wanted to fire Rob Ryan and never wanted to relinquish play calling duties and HAD to bring an OC...

idk, just some thoughts...

Good and luck go hand in hand especially when you prepare. Currently, I think we have a trifecta.

 

[a_minimalist]

Your English teacher would be so proud.

 

[silver]

Luck is good. My sig is a quote from the owner in the movie North Dallas Forty. It sums up our situation.

 

[Doomsday101]

On Fredrick move we got lucky twice with Williams who is has been a big part in this 5 game winning streak. All these players were ranked high on the Cowboys board and unless you are picking top 5 who you draft is never a certainty since you have teams drafting ahead of you. Had Rams not taken Donald would Dallas have drafted him? Likely so. The fact the Cowboys had Martin rated high it allowed them the chance to take him when some other guys we like feel off the board

 

[WV Cowboy]

Difference between a good team and a bad team? The good teams manage to win games, even the ones they play poorly in.

without some bad bounces in 2011, 2012 and 2013 we would have been in the playoffs.

Exactly this. You can go back to the year where Dez's finger lands out of bounds first and we lose against the Giants. There are countless games like that.

Oh yea I hear ya, .. I'm with ya, .. but we all should really realize that those two catches were both miracles, .. miracles that we can't depend on because they don't happen every time a QB throws it up like Romo did.

And they both were game-winners that changed what our record would be. I'm thrilled to be 5-1 but things could be different without a couple of miracles. That scares me a little.

Everyone has been patting the Cowboys on the back all week, including me and many here on the board, .. just keep in mind we could very easily have this same team with our same strengths and weaknesses, .. but not be 5-1.

 

[Doomsday101]

Oh yea I hear ya, .. I'm with ya, .. but we all should really realize that those two catches were both miracles, .. miracles that we can't depend on because they don't happen every time a QB throws it up like Romo did.

And they both were game-winners that changed what our record would be. I'm thrilled to be 5-1 but things could be different without a couple of miracles. That scares me a little.

Everyone has been patting the Cowboys on the back all week, including me and many here on the board, .. just keep in mind we could very easily have this same team with our strengths and weaknesses, .. but not be 5-1.

Roger had a lot or miracles as well. I will say this team was ready the fact that we had a punt blocked and 2 turnovers in the redzone at Seattle and yet still beat them shows how ready this coaching staff had this team. Most seem to think Dallas would have to play mistake free just to have a chance.

I agree that there are things guys have to improve on and work on, coaching staff knows this as well.

 

[MagicMan]

I guess my frustration is more with the accolades that the staff is getting and the "plan" when I don't think this was the "plan" at all... I just think we fell into these Oline men (thank GOD) and they have worked out. I'm not bashing the team at all... Love the cowboys... just saying the pub we're getting seems silly if you look at the facts surrounding the picks.

Actually the whole draft process is a crapshoot.....you're not guaranteed your 1st rd pick will be great and your 7th round pick will not make the team. And then we have FA who make the team and didn't get picked at all----aren't they all just luck as well. Not unusual to have several options until your pick comes along. I am probably Jason's worst critic, but I have to give him credit, as well as to the FO staff on getting some of these players we never heard of that are now balling. MIght as well accept the fact that maybe, just maybe, they are finally getting this thing right----no matter how they happen to come upon some of these players. I would rather have the good luck we are having at this time than the bad luck we have had the last 17 years.

In the end, who cares who gets the credit.....as they say, success has many fathers, and failure is an orphan. Enjoy the ride.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I agree that there are things guys have to improve on and work on, coaching staff knows this as well.

That's all I'm saying.

Glad to be where we are, a win is a win, .. but we could be singing a different tune very VERY easily.
We would still be sitting here with a great OLine, a great RB, a great running game, a great QB, an improving defense, the same as we are now, .. but be 3-3.
After all of the improvements we have seen, we are two miracles from right where we were last season, .. and that scares me.

 

[Tommy]

That thinks that this team is more built on Luck that a "Process"?

I read an article on here that went on waxing poetically that this was the work of Garret's Process and how we are now seeing it because of the Oline overhall... and I have to kind of laugh.

Just a few days ago I was listening to the radio and they had someone on talking about how the cowboys where SOLD on drafting Ryan Shazier out of OSU.
http://cowboysblog.***BANNED-URL***...e-with-dallas-when-steelers-drafted-him.html/
And Martin was there "back up plan" And I have to think that last year and getting Fredrick was a similar situation. When they moved back and by some reports where "confused and trying to move out" of the pick again. And were "forced" to draft Fredrick. There was even stories about how they where so confused they missed on a higher rated player on there board.
http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...an-do-to-avoid-2013-s-draft-day-confusion.ece
and then there McClain... the MVP of our Defense. He wouldn't even be on the team if we didn't lose Lee for the season... I LOVE Lee... he's one of my favorite players... but I think McClain is out performing him comparatively to seasons previous.

So I have to give pause to this whole "process" praise I keep hearing and how we "set out to rebuild the line" with three first round picks and this was the plan. BULL CRAP. And then there is the coaches. Garrett never wanted to fire Rob Ryan and never wanted to relinquish play calling duties and HAD to bring an OC...

idk, just some thoughts...

Or you may want to consider possibility #2:
Your original assessment of Jason Garrett was completely wrong. He's transformed this team into a group of young and hungry players who are buying into what he's selling and its translating into win.

I'll go with #2.

To the OP: You have to start thinking beyond your preconceived notions.

 

[Doomsday101]

"They got lucky" is the most common excuse for a poor loser. I will pass on such 'reasoning.'

Everyone and their mother knew we were targeting a LT when we selected Smith. Everyone and their mother knew we were hot for Cooper or Warmack and then accused us of overvaluing/drafting Fred. We still valued OL despite a solid starting 5 and drafted Martin yet people still refuse to acknowledge the emphasis.

It's good at identifying people that have no clue but I would rather raise up my fellow man than take them down.

The main disconnect I see is binary thinking. If we valued front 7 defenders or a corner in the past draft that does not mean we do not value talent in the offensive front. This is not an all or nothing circumstance.

True funny part is when we took Martin all of a sudden we did not value DL players when fact was Dallas was high on Donald and Barr but both guys went before our pick. Faced with the prospect of Johnny Football or trading out of the pick Dallas stayed put and took Martin. Was that lucky on quickly weighing your option and making the call to go with Martin?

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Din't you ever hear the expression, "luck is a matter of preparation meeting opportunity?"

 

[DC Cowboy]

That thinks that this team is more built on Luck that a "Process"?

I read an article on here that went on waxing poetically that this was the work of Garret's Process and how we are now seeing it because of the Oline overhall... and I have to kind of laugh.

Just a few days ago I was listening to the radio and they had someone on talking about how the cowboys where SOLD on drafting Ryan Shazier out of OSU.
http://cowboysblog.***BANNED-URL***...e-with-dallas-when-steelers-drafted-him.html/
And Martin was there "back up plan" And I have to think that last year and getting Fredrick was a similar situation. When they moved back and by some reports where "confused and trying to move out" of the pick again. And were "forced" to draft Fredrick. There was even stories about how they where so confused they missed on a higher rated player on there board.
http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...an-do-to-avoid-2013-s-draft-day-confusion.ece
and then there McClain... the MVP of our Defense. He wouldn't even be on the team if we didn't lose Lee for the season... I LOVE Lee... he's one of my favorite players... but I think McClain is out performing him comparatively to seasons previous.

So I have to give pause to this whole "process" praise I keep hearing and how we "set out to rebuild the line" with three first round picks and this was the plan. BULL CRAP. And then there is the coaches. Garrett never wanted to fire Rob Ryan and never wanted to relinquish play calling duties and HAD to bring an OC...

idk, just some thoughts...

WAIT, is it luck that we had Martin targeted in case Shazier wasn't available?