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Like Seattle a handful of years ago. I'm not sold on the Commanders at all. Eagles seem to have come down to earth.
It wouldn't shock me lol.
I agree. We can can beat NY obviously. A couple of mistake clean ups and better officiating and we can beat the Skins. Who knows!?
 

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Top 12-15 pay is going to be like $17-20MM a year.

I think that would be absurd to pay Prescott that if his play continues like this. Coaching or not.
So find me a better QB in FA, one to trade for or one in the draft. I'm on board. But who?
 

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So find me a better QB in FA, one to trade for or one in the draft. I'm on board. But who?

No idea.

But it's idiotic to handcuff yourself financially to a QB that might not be any good. Note, I am not saying Dak won't improve and make this moot. But giving out a big contract to a QB that is just mediocre isn't smart football decision making.

If we get to that point, I'd rather then just find some jag FA QB, start drafting QBs like no one's business and not end up with a $20MM+ anchor on the roster.
 

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I respect your opinion, but this isn't really up for debate. Contrary to what many believe, accuracy can be improved. For example: Romo himself said that when he first started he wasn't very accurate or that great at throwing the ball. And that it took him time to develop. I'll add to that that he was afforded the benefit of playing as a back up for years prior to starting.

Let me be VERY clear here.
I'm not hating on Romo.
I'm not comparing Romo to Prescott.
I also wasn't comparing JG to McVay.
And, I wasn't comparing Goff to Prescott.

You assumed I was, but it was a very specific and factual example.

So I'll put it in a general manner so we don't go off course here. QB A and HC B and QB coach C. If you improved B and C, A could improve dramatically.

And I certainly respect your opinion. If I put words in your mouth I apologize.

I don't think you were hating on Romo or comparing him to anybody.

You did, however, bring up the Rams. Yes it is a fact that Goff has improved and the offense as a whole has achieved far more success since McVay took over. And in terms of accuracy many things come into play. Footwork, mechanics, field vision and other factors are apart of that. I do agree that all of those things can be worked on and improved. Perhaps I should have made it in that context rather than stating accuracy in general. It is a fact that Dak has worked on all of those things. He has made it a point of emphasis to even the media. It is also a fact that his accuracy down the field has not improved and has probably gotten worse.

The big thing is talent and something that I also think we disagree on. Romo had more arm talent. I believe Dak has very limited arm talent. That is something you can't teach. He can work on his footwork, mechanics and field vision all he wants but in my opinion I do not think his accuracy down the middle of the field will ever improve. Atleast not enough to where he has sustained success in the league. It's obvious from his play that he doesn't trust his arm at times and it's obvious that he doesn't have the pocket awareness to stand in and deliver the ball down the field.

I hope I didn't get too far off the topic. To answer your question, yes, an improved Head Coach and Quarterback Coach could improve the play of a Quarterback in general. However, in this case when you are dealing with a Quarterback with limited skills mainly in my opinion arm talent, the improvement will be minimal and not sufficient enough to get the team where it needs to go.

Let me reiterate that I am staunchly in favor of firing this coaching staff. Getting a better staff in could only help Prescott. It all boils down to the question of whether or not you think he has the talent to play the position and have consistent success. I do not.
 

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I agree. We can can beat NY obviously. A couple of mistake clean ups and better officiating and we can beat the Skins. Who knows!?

It's not over by any means now.
Just been a frustrating 7 weeks with how well we look one week to relapse the next, and repeat.
Hoping by some miracle we can fix/put enough band-aids on the offense to eek out more wins on odd weeks.
 
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No idea.

But it's idiotic to handcuff yourself financially to a QB that might not be any good. Note, I am not saying Dak won't improve and make this moot. But giving out a big contract to a QB that is just mediocre isn't smart football decision making.

If we get to that point, I'd rather then just find some jag FA QB, start drafting QBs like no one's business and not end up with a $20MM+ anchor on the roster.
Good point. There has to be a realistic option here. Maybe if the staff if smart (Lmao, I just said that) they tell Prescott Here's a 1 year deal until we see better performances?

I support our roster and team, that includes Prescott. I don't think he's as bad and I think his surrounding talent is Blah. He has to be better regardless. I just don't want to give up when we've seen some potential. Maybe because I remember the shitpile after Aikman and before Romo too vividly.
 

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Good point. There has to be a realistic option here. Maybe if the staff if smart (Lmao, I just said that) they tell Prescott Here's a 1 year deal until we see better performances?

I support our roster and team, that includes Prescott. I don't think he's as bad and I think his surrounding talent is Blah. He has to be better regardless. I just don't want to give up when we've seen some potential. Maybe because I remember the shitpile after Aikman and before Romo too vividly.

True to a point.

But my issue is that we are seeing now game after game where he seemingly freezes when it comes to delivering the ball. How Cooper changes that, I have no idea. I mean if you drop Cooper in for Gallup in that Skins game, does he then deliver that pass before the fumble? Likely not.

That's my fear. I think far too many people are assuming just give him better WRs and it all works out when what he's showing at times in games goes well beyond who is running routes for him.

Which is why I think it was a pretty big mistake to trade a #1 pick for Cooper at this point.
 

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Except now we are going to spend WAY more money. And the staff "assumes" our needs for next season's draft in 2019 mid season in 2018?

Well they definitely need WR help but the cost is what is problematic.

This was their reasoning time will tell if it pans out and yes it will cost regardless.
 
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If we are to keep Prescott at starter, you simply pay him what he is worth. In my opinion, he's somewhere between top 12-15 at this point. With some highs and lows.
I'm sorry, but I've seen nothing to suggest that Jag, Linehan or Moore are the answer on offense.
If we pay Prescott $15-20 m a year based on his performance this year this trade looks even worse. He is nowhere near a top 15 QB this year.
 

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True to a point.

But my issue is that we are seeing now game after game where he seemingly freezes when it comes to delivering the ball. How Cooper changes that, I have no idea. I mean if you drop Cooper in for Gallup in that Skins game, does he then deliver that pass before the fumble? Likely not.

That's my fear. I think far too many people are assuming just give him better WRs and it all works out when what he's showing at times in games goes well beyond who is running routes for him.

Which is why I think it was a pretty big mistake to trade a #1 pick for Cooper at this point.

The problem is continued mediocrity. We have talent on this team and even with a QB like Dak we can get to around 8-8 or thereabouts. That will not get us the top notch franchise QB from the draft ( and i know that always isn't a given). We are looking at churning out the same old same old year after year.
This league is more than ever a QB driven than ever, Cooper may be a good receiver but i cannot for the life of me see him taking this O to elite status needed to win a SB.
 

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It doesn't matter how good a receiver he is or isn't. The team doesn't have a QB who can make "those" throws. Yeah, he can hit the wide open guy down the sideline after the secondary sells out on a fake hand off to #21 (although most of the time the ball is horribly under-thrown), but when it comes to putting the ball in a tight spot where only the receiver can make a catch? Nope, not, sorry, ain't happening. This team could have used that pick, which will be a top 10, to get a QB of the future. Now we, the fans, are stuck with #4 for at least another season (after this one) and probably more.

Ummm have you seen the QB class for the upcoming draft? It's terrible. No one in there is going to be a QB of the future and none of them will be better than Dak.
 

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Cooper has more talent the rest of our WRs combined.......Gallup still pending

You are seriously overrating Cooper. He will be Dez Bryant 2.0. A guy who will not impact the game much and is going to drop a lot of balls. He's not worth anything close to a 1st round pick and will be a free agent after next season and then will command even higher salary.
 

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Romo had more arm talent. I believe Dak has very limited arm talent. That is something you can't teach. He can work on his footwork, mechanics and field vision all he wants but in my opinion I do not think his accuracy down the middle of the field will ever improve. Atleast not enough to where he has sustained success in the league. It's obvious from his play that he doesn't trust his arm at times and it's obvious that he doesn't have the pocket awareness to stand in and deliver the ball down the field.
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I don't know if Romo has more arm talent than Dak. But I know for certain Romo can process the situation faster and make quicker decisions than Dak. To me that's Dak's biggest flaw. He's constantly waiting for someone to BE OPEN instead of knowing where someone is GOING TO BE open and throw to that spot. That's why Daks is constantly holding on to the ball TOO LONG and getting sacked.

Dak has not shown any improvement (speeding up) in his ability to process and execute plays over past 2 years. Not sure he ever will.
 

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If we pay Prescott $15-20 m a year based on his performance this year this trade looks even worse. He is nowhere near a top 15 QB this year.
One, the season isn't quite over. Two, he's far from the only cause of our offensive roller coaster. And three, you're incorrect. He very much is near a top 15 QB.
Just so you don't misunderstand that statement, I am not saying he will develop into a QB that is good enough to overcome the offenses weaknesses.
 

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Well they definitely need WR help but the cost is what is problematic.

This was their reasoning time will tell if it pans out and yes it will cost regardless.
I agree. Prescott needs more help and they gave it to him. So if he STILL struggles, maybe we need a change.
 

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I don't know if Romo has more arm talent than Dak. But I know for certain Romo can process the situation faster and make quicker decisions than Dak. To me that's Dak's biggest flaw. He's constantly waiting for someone to BE OPEN instead of knowing where someone is GOING TO BE open and throw to that spot. That's why Daks is constantly holding on to the ball TOO LONG and getting sacked.

Dak has not shown any improvement (speeding up) in his ability to process and execute plays over past 2 years. Not sure he ever will.
It took Romo forever to get to that point. He was terrible at reading D's for several years when he first started.
 

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If we pay Prescott $15-20 m a year based on his performance this year this trade looks even worse. He is nowhere near a top 15 QB this year.
Top 15? Yeah, that's prolly about where he is. Start counting, you'll get to sub par QB's pretty quick.
 

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If we pay Prescott $15-20 m a year based on his performance this year this trade looks even worse. He is nowhere near a top 15 QB this year.
We're going to pay Cooper $14 million next year based on his performance based on this year and last. Less than 700 yards last year and 280 yards this year, not even in the top 50 WRs. And it cost us a 1st round pick too.
 

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I don't like this trade at all, I mean I really dislike it.

Having said that, I do like your post. It's the most rational one I've read in the 70+ pages. I wish I shared your optimism. Well done my friend.
That’s all I ask thanks man
 
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