Amazing how a summertime transaction comes back to haunt

[TheCount]

I don't think Linehan wanted Orton. That's jmo based on the few comments he made when asked about Orton.

I think they decided to release him, because they wanted somebody who'd been in the program all offseason and had bought into what the team was selling. Orton being away and suggesting he was going to "retire" left a sour taste in their mouth that was similar to Ratliff. They just decided to move on. I think it's time for fans to move on, too.

I think he would have been fine with Orton, but Orton didn't want to be a Cowboy, so what coach would want that?

It wasn't an issue of us not wanting him, he didn't want us. And because of that, whether the coaches liked him or not, I don't want him. I felt the same way about Hatcher, who made it clear he just wanted to get paid and didn't care if it was with the Cowboys or elsewhere.

Ware, is a different story.

 

[Stash]

Fine we could pay him and he does not have to perform, easy to take a hit and take yourself out of a game so you still pay the money with no results. Either way you lose.

Funny how those same circumstances haven't prevented Callahan from doing his job?



But I welcome the next flimsy attempt at an excuse to absolve the Cowboys of the fact that they let yet another player take them to the cleaners and paid the price for it in more ways than one.

 

[ConstantReboot]

$3 million in bonus money he would have been required to pay back would have "stopped a player from walking away". Don't be so desperate top absolve the Cowboys of every mistake that you blind yourself to the facts.

And if Orton's age (31), is somehow an issue, how is it different from Weeden (31)?

Again, facts thrown aside in a rush to defend the Cowboys mistakes.

In hindsight I was for letting Orton leave for better pastures. But that was nothing more than a blunder by this organization. Yes your right - that money would have more than enough to stop someone from leaving.

 

[Doomsday101]

Funny how those same circumstances haven't prevented Callahan from doing his job?



But I welcome the next flimsy attempt at an excuse to absolve the Cowboys of the fact that they let yet another player take them to the cleaners and paid the price for it in more ways than one.

Different for a coach who is working for his next job, Orton at his age is not. Frankly I do hope a message is sent that for those who do not want to be here the door is open. Dallas does not need the distraction nor the problems they can cause they are not worth it.

 

[coogrfan]

Weededn looked good for a few series last week. Easy to look good when the other teams defense played against the starter and had a certain gameplan in place for that QB.

Two words: Fools gold.

When you actually look at what Weeden did against the Skins it isn't that impressive.

Dallas at 5:43 (3Q)

1st and 10 at DAL 43(5:43) D.Murray left tackle to WAS 6 for 51 yards (B.Breeland).107
1st and 6 at WSH 6(4:58) D.Murray right tackle to WAS 3 for 3 yards (K.Golston).
2nd and 3 at WSH 3(4:16) B.Weeden pass incomplete short right to D.Bryant (B.Breeland). Pass was broken up front-right corner of the end zone.
3rd and 3 at WSH 3(4:12) (Shotgun) B.Weeden pass incomplete short middle to D.Bryant (B.Breeland). Pass incomplete on a "slant" pattern.
4th and 3 at WSH 3(4:07) (Field Goal formation) D.Bailey 21 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-L.Ladouceur, Holder-C.Jones.1010
DAL DRIVE TOTALS: 5 plays, 54 yards, 1:40


Dallasat13:38WASDAL
K.Forbath kicks 50 yards from 50 to end zone, Touchback. Ball was kicked out of the end zone. Tony Romo is being evaluated in the locker room; his status is unknown.1710
1st and 10 at DAL 20(13:38) D.Murray right end pushed ob at DAL 25 for 5 yards (P.Riley).
2nd and 5 at DAL 25(13:12) (Shotgun) B.Weeden pass short left to J.Hanna to DAL 32 for 7 yards (K.Robinson).
1st and 10 at DAL 32(12:35) J.Randle left end pushed ob at DAL 35 for 3 yards (K.Robinson).
2nd and 7 at DAL 35(12:08) B.Weeden pass short right to T.Williams to DAL 49 for 14 yards (E.Biggers). Pass complete on a "corner route."
1st and 10 at DAL 49(11:42) B.Weeden to DAL 44 for -5 yards. FUMBLES, recovered by DAL-D.Murray at DAL 44. D.Murray to DAL 44 for no gain (R.Kerrigan).
2nd and 15 at DAL 44(10:54) (Shotgun) B.Weeden pass short right to D.Murray to WAS 33 for 23 yards (B.Meriweather). Screen pass.
1st and 10 at WSH 33(10:11) J.Randle up the middle to WAS 25 for 8 yards (E.Brown; W.Compton).
2nd and 2 at WSH 25(9:36) B.Weeden pass short right to J.Witten for 25 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Pass complete off play action. D.Bailey extra point is GOOD, Center-L.Ladouceur, Holder-C.Jones. Justin Durant of Dallas has an arm injury and will not return to the game.1717

A long Murray run, a Murray screen and a TD to Witten on a busted assignment by Washington led some folks to believe Weeden might actually be a competent QB. Today? Not so much.

 

[Stash]

Different for a coach who is working for his next job, Orton at his age is not. Frankly I do hope a message is sent that for those who do not want to be here the door is open. Dallas does not need the distraction nor the problems they can cause they are not worth it.

Yeah, just let them go and let them keep money they didn't earn, that'll teach 'em!

You should just give it up, you're just making yourself and the Cowboys' mistakes look that much worse.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yeah, just let them go and let them keep money they didn't earn, that'll teach 'em!

You should just give it up, you're just making yourself and the Cowboys' mistakes look that much worse.

Why I don't want him here you do then great good for you and it is you that should give it up since we just disagree. I'm not making anything worse we disagree simple as that. Jimmy never kept players he did not want and yes it cost us and would have cost us had he stayed you can't force a player to give a damn. He did not have any intent to learn the offense nor did he have any intent to put in the work. He did that in Denver as well when he lost his job and when called on looked like trash because he did not care if Denver won or lost. He was nothing but an unneeded distraction in Denver. So you can moan all about Orton and the Cowboys mistake that is your feelings not mine.

 

[chicago JK]

That was a poor performance, no doubt. It is disappointing. Jason shouldn't be responsible for player personnel and he probably has very little say. Although, he saw brad Johnson everyday and has seen Weeden every day this year. I wonder if he knew neither could play anymore or in weeden's case, never. You would think a former QB could see if guys "have it". To miss on both of these guys when it could limit your upside is disappointing.

 

[Stash]

Why I don't want him here you do then great good for you and it is you that should give it up since we just disagree. I'm not making anything worse we disagree simple as that.

Really?

You're embarrassing yourself at each and every turn with your blatant errors and getting hammered with the actual facts of the situation.

Or should we go back and talk about how Orton's age 31 is bad and Weeden's 31 is somehow good?

Jimmy never kept players he did not want and yes it cost us and would have cost us had he stayed you can't force a player to give a damn.

Jimmy never had a situation anything like either Ratliff or Orton. Another fail. Keep it up!

He did not have any intent to learn the offense nor did he have any intent to put in the work. He did that in Denver as well when he lost his job and when called on looked like trash because he did not care if Denver won or lost. He was nothing but an unneeded distraction in Denver.

So, the true mistake was ever signing him in the first place? Is that what you're saying here? Or is yet another lame attempt to get the Cowboys off the hook? So hard to tell.

So you can moan all about Orton and the Cowboys mistake that is your feelings not mine.

And you can keep making false statements in a failed attempt to excuse it. And keep embarrassing yourself along the way.

And for something you "don't care about", you spend an awful lot of time and energy on it...

 

[Doomsday101]

Really?

You're embarrassing yourself at each and every turn with your blatant errors and getting hammered with the actual facts of the situation.

Or should we go back and talk about how Orton's age 31 is bad and Weeden's 31 is somehow good?



Jimmy never had a situation anything like either Ratliff or Orton. Another fail. Keep it up!



So, the true mistake was ever signing him in the first place? Is that what you're saying here? Or is yet another lame attempt to get the Cowboys off the hook? So hard to tell.



And you can keep making false statements in a failed attempt to excuse it. And keep embarrassing yourself along the way.

And for something you "don't care about", you spend an awful lot of time and energy on it...

No you are embarrassing yourself, I don't agree with you, you feel different fine that is your take I disagree is that so damn hard to understand? Evidently it is for you.
I gave you my take if you don't like it then too damn bad. You claiming your view is the only right view is a fricken joke, get over yourself yours is not the only opinion.

 

[sweetness0986]

Look Weeden was pretty bad yesterday but Arizona is 7-1.

The QB to beat them was Payton Manning, not Kyle Orton.
That Cards defense has allowed over 20 points, once. To Manning and Denver.
That defense is the real deal.

We lost, time to move on.

If all turns out right maybe we'll see them in the playoffs and if we do it should be with Tony Romo.

While this is somewhat comforting to read, the concern lies in the fact that Weeden was completely off in accuracy in throws that Arizona's defense weren't even a factor in.

We need a competent QB behind Romo that can at the very LEAST accurately hit 10 yard pass routes.

 

[Doomsday101]

While this is somewhat comforting to read, the concern lies in the fact that Weeden was completely off in accuracy in throws that Arizona's defense weren't even a factor in.

We need a competent QB behind Romo that can at the very LEAST accurately hit 10 yard pass routes.

It may have helped getting Cards CB something to think about by taking them deeper more often, they contested and cheated up on the short routs all day not looking for Dallas to take them deep. Not saying the end result would have been any different but it seemed as if all the calls were shorter routs and Cards were not going to back off of them.

 

[Joe Realist]

Where did you get your medical degree?

From the Transformer Medical College

 

[ScipioCowboy]

From the Transformer Medical College

Sounds like it.

 

[Stash]

No you are embarrassing yourself, I don't agree with you, you feel different fine that is your take I disagree is that so damn hard to understand? Evidently it is for you.

The difference is that my position actually contains truthful, relevant facts.

You're just desperately trying (and failing!) to invent stuff to support yours.

I gave you my take if you don't like it then too damn bad. You claiming your view is the only right view is a fricken joke, get over yourself yours is not the only opinion.

I never claimed that mine is the "right one". Yet another lie told to support a failed case? Mine is the one supported by facts. But you keep making things up and embarrassing yourself.

And keep debating something you profess not to care about...

 

[Doomsday101]

The difference is that my position actually contains truthful, relevant facts.

You're just desperately trying (and failing!) to invent stuff to support yours.



I never claimed that mine is the "right one". Yet another lie told to support a failed case? Mine is the one supported by facts. But you keep making things up and embarrassing yourself.

And keep debating something you profess not to care about...

Difference it one is your opinion the other is not. Look if we can disagree then no need to continue. Your view supports that Orton is not here nothing more than that. So give it a rest

 

[Stash]

Difference it one is your opinion the other is not. Look if we can disagree then no need to continue. Your view supports that Orton is not here nothing more than that. So give it a rest

You stop making stuff up and I will.

I'm supporting my position by facts. You're just trying to invent things for yours and looking bad in the process.

 

[Doomsday101]

You stop making stuff up and I will.

I'm supporting my position by facts. You're just trying to invent things for yours and looking bad in the process.

I have said I did not want him here since he had no intent on being here. If you don't like then too damn bad. Get it or do you need someone else to explain it to you? Enough with this crap, I don't put people on ignore but you acting as if your view is the only one is BS. You think Dallas made a mistake I don't is that good enough for you?

 

[Stash]

I have said I did not want him here since he had no intent on being here. If you don't like then too damn bad.

You should swear more. It really gets your failed points across better.

Get it or do you need someone else to explain it to you? Enough with this crap, I don't put people on ignore but you acting as if your view is the only one is BS.

Don't try to twist it. I act like mine is the one with facts and truth to support it. Because it is.

You've made one false claim after another attempting to justify the move. And you've repeatedly failed and yet stubbornly continue to embarrass yourself here. If you want to "let it go", do just that.

You think Dallas made a mistake I don't is that good enough for you?

Not hardly. You expect equal footing for a position that you have constantly and repeatedly failed to support.

Guess what? You're not getting it from me here. And you'll have to deal with that. If you can't deal with the reality of that situation, it's on you. and you can block your eyes and ears and put me on Ignore if that's too much for you.

But I will miss our engaging debates.

 

[Joe Realist]

Sounds like it.

You should know, Bumblebee.