Among NFL WR 2s, where does P Crayton rank?

[DFWJC]

There's been a lot of talk about Patrick Crayton and Miles Austin today, so I put together a list of what I feel are current WR2s.

I very roughly ranked my top 10 on how I think they are now (not in the past) and then just posted the other 21 in semi-ranked order.

Where would you rank Patrick Clayton on this list?

1--A Boldin (az)
2--W Welker (ne)
3--L Evans (buf)
4--H Ward..or Holmes (pit)
4--Royal (den)
6--Driver (gb)
7--L Coles (cin)
8--L Moore (no)
9--A Gonzaloa (ind)
10--K Walter (hou)
11--M Muhammed
12--Bruce (sf)
13--Chambers (sd)
14--B Engram (kc)
15--J Maclin (phi)
16--J Gage (ten)
17--M Jenkins (atl)
18--D Branch (sea)
19--D Patten (cle)
20--S Smith (nyg)
21--Harvin, Rice, or Wade (minn)
22--Randel El (was)
23--J Morgan (sf)
24--Heward-Bey or Walker (oak)
25--Mi Walker (jax)
26--Mi Clayton (bal)
27--Bry Johnson or Bess (Mia)
28--Clowney (nyj)
29--R Davis or Bennet (chi)
30--Ma Calyton (tb)
31--L Robinson (sl)


I say maybe he's in the 12-20 range, but it's hard to say. I mean, do you want Crayton over Harvin or Heyward-Bey, for example? Tough call.

 

[Kangaroo]

There's been a lot of talk about Patrick Crayton and Miles Austin today, so I put together a list of what I feel are current WR2s.

I very roughly ranked my top 10 on how I think they are now (not in the past) and then just posted the other 21 in semi-ranked order.

Where would you rank Patrick Clayton on this list?

1--A Boldin (az)
2--W Welker (ne)
3--L Evans (buf)
4--H Ward..or Holmes (pit)
4--Royal (den)
6--Driver (gb)
7--L Coles (cin)
8--L Moore (no)
9--A Gonzaloa (ind)
10--K Walter (hou)
11--M Muhammed
12--Bruce (sf)
13--Chambers (sd)
14--B Engram (kc)
15--J Maclin (phi)
16--J Gage (ten)
17--M Jenkins (atl)
18--D Branch (sea)
19--D Patten (cle)
20--S Smith (nyg)
21--Harvin, Rice, or Wade (minn)
22--Randel El (was)
23--J Morgan (sf)
24--Heward-Bey or Walker (oak)
25--Mi Walker (jax)
26--Mi Clayton (bal)
27--Bry Johnson or Bess (Mia)
28--Clowney (nyj)
29--R Davis or Bennet (chi)
30--Ma Calyton (tb)
31--L Robinson (sl)


I say maybe he's in the 12-20 range, but it's hard to say. I mean, do you want Crayton over Harvin or Heyward-Bey, for example? Tough call.

Is Welker the #2 I thought he ran almost exclusively from the slot

 

[AbeBeta]

he's somewhere between say 16 and 22... and that's fine because he's not our 2nd receiving option. He's exactly the quality of player you should have at #2 if you've got a great TE

 

[DFWJC]

Is Welker the #2 I thought he ran almost exclusively from the slot

Good question.
Let me clarify WR2 as second most productive WR on the team.

 

[DEZBRYANT x88x]

Yeah 10 or 11.

 

[Kangaroo]

Good question.
Let me clarify WR2 as second most productive WR on the team.

I love Crayton in the slot myself he is a solid wr nothing wrong with that in fact the last time the Patriots won the Super Bowl they had 4-5 solid WR a mix of speed; quickness and everything else they had like 4-5 guys that averaged 40-50 balls and 3-5 TD's

 

[DFWJC]

he's somewhere between say 16 and 22... and that's fine because he's not our 2nd receiving option. He's exactly the quality of player you should have at #2 if you've got a great TE

I kind of agree with you there. I'd like to see him slightly higher, but with Witten we are covered.

In fact, I was putting together the teams with the top 3 WRs and we were coming in somewhere between 8 and 15 ...depending on your point of view. But when Witten is added into the mix we move way up the list.

 

[cobra]

Good question.
Let me clarify WR2 as second most productive WR on the team.

In which case our #2 is Witten. (Or possibly Roy W with Witten being #1).

Witten is amazing.

Bennett looks good too.

And Felix may prove to be one of the best backs out of the backfield for receiving.

Between our WRs, TEs and RBs, we have ALL THE PASSING OPTIONS a team needs to win it all. In fact, as far as the number of passing options, we have to be top 5 in the league.

Those Madden-obsessed fans who feel like we have to get Boldin as our #2 are just unrealistic as hell.

 

[DFWJC]

In which case our #2 is Witten. (Or possibly Roy W with Witten being #1).

Witten is amazing.

Bennett looks good too.

And Felix may prove to be one of the best backs out of the backfield for receiving.

Between our WRs, TEs and RBs, we have ALL THE PASSING OPTIONS a team needs to win it all. In fact, as far as the number of passing options, we have to be top 5 in the league.

Those Madden-obsessed fans who feel like we have to get Boldin as our #2 are just unrealistic as hell.

BTW, I am among the crowd who thinks we are fine when you add up all of our receiving options. That's not what the post was about. More about opinions on crayton in general vs other WR2s.

I left TEs out of the mix b/c the question was about the wide receiver groups, but yes...Witten is surely our #1 or #2 option.

Listing each teams top 5 receiving threats including TEs would be interesting, but then someone would say "what about RBs?"

One thing I noticed was the teams with the top 3 WRs sets (Arizona, New England, Green bay, Denver, and now Buffalo) generally did not have a 800-1000 yard TE....although Scheffler at Denver may be capable of that.

 

[5Stars]

In which case our #2 is Witten. (Or possibly Roy W with Witten being #1).

Witten is amazing.

Bennett looks good too.

And Felix may prove to be one of the best backs out of the backfield for receiving.

Between our WRs, TEs and RBs, we have ALL THE PASSING OPTIONS a team needs to win it all. In fact, as far as the number of passing options, we have to be top 5 in the league.

Those Madden-obsessed fans who feel like we have to get Boldin as our #2 are just unrealistic as hell.

Maybe it's just me, but, I don't understand why people get so upset at why Romo targets Witten so much? I mean, the guy gets open, moves the chains, is hard to bring down...yet, it's Romo's "friendship" with Witten as to why he goes to him so often. I don't get it....?

GO TO THE GUY THAT IS OPEN! If it's Witten, go to him...if Crayton, go to him, Austin, go to him!

But, nooooo! Romo goest to Witten because they are friends?!!

 

[DFWJC]

Maybe it's just me, but, I don't understand why people get so upset at why Romo targets Witten so much? I mean, the guy gets open, moves the chains, is hard to bring down...yet, it's Romo's "friendship" with Witten as to why he goes to him so often. I don't get it....?

GO TO THE GUY THAT IS OPEN! If it's Witten, go to him...if Crayton, go to him, Austin, go to him!

But, nooooo! Romo goest to Witten because they are friends?!!

Not much can be better than having a reliable guy like Witten. Ask Manning when it comes to Dallas Clark or Rivers (or Brees) with gates...it's a QBs best friend. And Matt Ryan is going to love having Gonzo.

 

[5Stars]

Not much can be better than having a reliable guy like Witten. Ask Manning when it comes to Dallas Clark or Rivers (or Brees) with gates...it's a QBs best friend. And Matt Ryan is going to love having Gonzo.

Exactely! Aikman went to Novacek tons of time, but since they did not pal around togeather, it was alright!? But Romo hangs around Witten and some posters think he's just targeting him only?

 

[wileedog]

Exactely! Aikman went to Novacek tons of time, but since they did not pal around togeather, it was alright!? But Romo hangs around Witten and some posters think he's just targeting him only?

Which nobody in the history of ever said before TO did.

Coincidence?

 

[SLATEmosphere]

I'd seriously put him last. I would take those guys over Crayton all day and twice on Sundays.

 

[5Stars]

Which nobody in the history of ever said before TO did.

Coincidence?

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:


I heard that...!!!!

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Yeah 10 or 11.

Based on the list in the original post, I'd put Craqyton at 14. I'd put Austin near the bottom. It's a show-me league remeber.

 

[28 Joker]

I was critical of Patrick Crayton's 2007 YPA against K.C. Joyner's red or top level CBs. Red CBs post a YPA of less than 7.0. For example,
Terence Newman had back to back 5.8 YPA years in 2004 and 2005. That is red level in terms of Joyner's YPA.

Joyner's stats should be considered with other variables or aspects, imo. It's just one tool. However, it's something that does attempt to measure the quality of play (WRs or CBs). It's fun to use when guys start dogging Terence Newman. Newman has been one of the most consistently strong CBs in Joyner's YPA metrics. His most recent four year avg is 6.2 YPA. That is red level.

Here is Patrick Crayton's 2007 YPA: (From Vela; via Joyner)

80 Attempts
760 Yards
9.5 YPA
2.6 YPA Red CBs

Crayton does put up good numbers for a third passing option, and his 9.5 YPA is really good; however, it's the 2.6 YPA against the top tiered CBs that is alarming. Look at the drop off. It's huge. Crayton did well against the Yellow (7.0-9.0 YPA) and Green (9.0+) CBs.

However, look at the division. The Commanders have been strong at CB over the years. The Giants have Webster and Ross. The Eagles have Brown and Samuel. Those teams can throw some quality players at you at the number 2 CB spot.

This is one reason Dallas traded for Roy Williams according to Vela. The Cowboys needed another WR on the other side of Owens at the time of the trade. Plus, Williams showed, at Detroit, that he had the potential to be Dallas' number one WR at some point.

However, Owens was struggling in 2008, too. He posted a 9.4 YPA against Red CBs in 2007. That is torching them, and that rated fourth in Joyner's rankings for red WRs vs red CBs. Vela had Owens, from Joyner, at 2.0 YPA against red CBs in 2008 (two games missing; 2nd Washington and 2nd Eagles games). That was a huge drop off. It's worse than Crayton's 2007 stat. Owens went from torching those red guys to not being able to beat them at all.

Anyway, when you consider the division or the quality of CB play in the division, you can understand why Dallas probably likes or wants
Miles Austin to play opposite of Roy Williams.

Time will tell.

I think the job is Austin's to win. He's bigger, faster, and stronger than Crayton. Plus, he can stretch the field better. Dallas knows what they have in Crayton.

I think with the strong defenses and CBs within the division, running the football with Marion Barber and Felix Jones is going to be the key to getting back on top of this division.

Felix Jones can make a blitzing defense pay, on the ground and through the air.


http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2009/1/19/728106/sympathy-for-the-devils-ca

 

[Idgit]

I'd seriously put him last. I would take those guys over Crayton all day and twice on Sundays.

Blowing off a little of that excess credibility, slate?

 

[SaltwaterServr]

Blowing off a little of that excess credibility, slate?

Gotta remember that quote. Good 'un.

 

[dbair1967]

I'd seriously put him last. I would take those guys over Crayton all day and twice on Sundays.