Among NFL WR 2s, where does P Crayton rank?

[McCordsville Cowboy]

There's been a lot of talk about Patrick Crayton and Miles Austin today, so I put together a list of what I feel are current WR2s.

I very roughly ranked my top 10 on how I think they are now (not in the past) and then just posted the other 21 in semi-ranked order.

Where would you rank Patrick Clayton on this list?

1--A Boldin (az)
2--W Welker (ne)
3--L Evans (buf)
4--H Ward..or Holmes (pit)
4--Royal (den)
6--Driver (gb)
7--L Coles (cin)
8--L Moore (no)
9--A Gonzaloa (ind)
10--K Walter (hou)
11--M Muhammed
12--Bruce (sf)
13--Chambers (sd)
14--B Engram (kc)
15--J Maclin (phi)
16--J Gage (ten)
17--M Jenkins (atl)
18--D Branch (sea)
19--D Patten (cle)
20--S Smith (nyg)
21--Harvin, Rice, or Wade (minn)
22--Randel El (was)
23--J Morgan (sf)
24--Heward-Bey or Walker (oak)
25--Mi Walker (jax)
26--Mi Clayton (bal)
27--Bry Johnson or Bess (Mia)
28--Clowney (nyj)
29--R Davis or Bennet (chi)
30--Ma Calyton (tb)
31--L Robinson (sl)


I say maybe he's in the 12-20 range, but it's hard to say. I mean, do you want Crayton over Harvin or Heyward-Bey, for example? Tough call.

Crayton is a #4 WR paid like a #2. I'd take 4.3 speed in Harvin or Bey over 4.65 with the wind anyday of the week

 

[TNCowboy]

Crayton's way down the list. He doesn't have a lot to offer. He's just a guy. A more experienced version of Sam Hurd.

If Austin doesn't beat out Crayton, then it's safe to say he doesn't have much either.

 

[EndGame]

As it's been said already, Crayton isn't our number two receiver. He never has been. This season it will be Roy Williams and Jason Witten at 1 and 1a, with Crayton or Austin (or a mix of the two) as the #3.

 

[TNCowboy]

As it's been said already, Crayton isn't our number two receiver. He never has been. This season it will be Roy Williams and Jason Witten at 1 and 1a, with Crayton or Austin (or a mix of the two) as the #3.

What would concern me about Crayton is that he has no ability to step it up should either Williams or Witten get injured. I'd say that Austin is the only one with that sort of potential, so unless Austin is just horrible in camp, he has to start over Crayton.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I still believe Miles Austin will beat out Crayton so the question should be where will Austin stand on that list after the 2009 season.

****F.Y.I. Lee Evans is better than Welker...****

 

[billknows]

I was critical of Patrick Crayton's 2007 YPA against K.C. Joyner's red or top level CBs. Red CBs post a YPA of less than 7.0. For example,
Terence Newman had back to back 5.8 YPA years in 2004 and 2005. That is red level in terms of Joyner's YPA.

Joyner's stats should be considered with other variables or aspects, imo. It's just one tool. However, it's something that does attempt to measure the quality of play (WRs or CBs). It's fun to use when guys start dogging Terence Newman. Newman has been one of the most consistently strong CBs in Joyner's YPA metrics. His most recent four year avg is 6.2 YPA. That is red level.

Here is Patrick Crayton's 2007 YPA: (From Vela; via Joyner)

80 Attempts
760 Yards
9.5 YPA
2.6 YPA Red CBs

Crayton does put up good numbers for a third passing option, and his 9.5 YPA is really good; however, it's the 2.6 YPA against the top tiered CBs that is alarming. Look at the drop off. It's huge. Crayton did well against the Yellow (7.0-9.0 YPA) and Green (9.0+) CBs.

However, look at the division. The Commanders have been strong at CB over the years. The Giants have Webster and Ross. The Eagles have Brown and Samuel. Those teams can throw some quality players at you at the number 2 CB spot.

This is one reason Dallas traded for Roy Williams according to Vela. The Cowboys needed another WR on the other side of Owens at the time of the trade. Plus, Williams showed, at Detroit, that he had the potential to be Dallas' number one WR at some point.

However, Owens was struggling in 2008, too. He posted a 9.4 YPA against Red CBs in 2007. That is torching them, and that rated fourth in Joyner's rankings for red WRs vs red CBs. Vela had Owens, from Joyner, at 2.0 YPA against red CBs in 2008 (two games missing; 2nd Washington and 2nd Eagles games). That was a huge drop off. It's worse than Crayton's 2007 stat. Owens went from torching those red guys to not being able to beat them at all.

Anyway, when you consider the division or the quality of CB play in the division, you can understand why Dallas probably likes or wants
Miles Austin to play opposite of Roy Williams.

Time will tell.

I think the job is Austin's to win. He's bigger, faster, and stronger than Crayton. Plus, he can stretch the field better. Dallas knows what they have in Crayton.

I think with the strong defenses and CBs within the division, running the football with Marion Barber and Felix Jones is going to be the key to getting back on top of this division.

Felix Jones can make a blitzing defense pay, on the ground and through the air.


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Good Post

 

[Biggems]

randle el plays elsewhere now

 

[DFWJC]

Crayton is a #4 WR paid like a #2. I'd take 4.3 speed in Harvin or Bey over 4.65 with the wind anyday of the week

At least until they prove otherwise, I would too....just based on upside. But it's hard to rank rookies who haven't played a single NFL down, so I just threw them in there somewhere.

 

[DFWJC]

I still believe Miles Austin will beat out Crayton so the question should be where will Austin stand on that list after the 2009 season.

****F.Y.I. Lee Evans is better than Welker...****

Based on his stats so far Miles would be very near the bottom...but that could change. I'd love to see Austin bust out this year.

 

[DFWJC]

As it's been said already, Crayton isn't our number two receiver. He never has been. This season it will be Roy Williams and Jason Witten at 1 and 1a, with Crayton or Austin (or a mix of the two) as the #3.

Like we said earlier, I completely agree that Witten and Williams are 1 and 1a, but the question was about WRs. And ask anyone in the league (before this summer's training camp) who the Cowboy's #2 WR is , and the answer is Crayton. He has been the second leading WR for the Cowboys for a few years now. Trying to keep it simple here and keep the topic on WR (and not TE and RB...or Bush would possibly be the 2nd best reciever on NO and Gonzalas on Atl, Clark at Indy, Gates at SD, etc).

In any case, obviously our second best receiver including all positions is either Witten or Williams.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Thread title should say - Among # 2 WRs, where does Miles Austin rank.

 

[Kangaroo]

That is funny David Patten has had 4 season with of 40 or more catches

His 1st 3 years he caught a combine 36 catches and 3 tds in his 4th year he hit 38 catches

Yet Crayton caught 24 passes in his 1st two years and that with spending 1/2 his rookie season on the Pratice Squad

then he got 36 catches 50 catches and then 39 last year (remember he lost part of a year to injury)

He is a solid WR and is a better slot wr than a 2nd wr and is not really paid all that much and he has produced more than some of those Vets you rather have but that is all right keep thinking that he is a bad player no he is a solid supporting cast player. Ones that you need to fill out your rosters because you do just can not have pro bowlers every where

 

[DallasEast]

Good thread. I thought I would dig up a post highlighting actual wide receiver productivity during a Super Bowl winning season. Note: the second grouping of wide receivers were the second most productive for that team during that particular season.

The following four posts represent statistics for:

§ Quarterbacks
§ Running Backs
§ Wide Receivers
§ Tight Ends

Everyone shown played during the regular season for teams which later won the Super Bowl during that same postseason. All players who accumulated any stats are included.

Each position has been sorted or grouped by:

§ Total number of yards (sorted)
§ Starters, then by backups and/or the next most productive player, etc. (grouped by)

<end of excerpt>

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[YosemiteSam]

Crayton ranked 46th out of 32 receivers. :laugh2:

 

[DFWJC]

I'd seriously put him last. I would take those guys over Crayton all day and twice on Sundays.

LOL...that's harsh.
But if you go down that list you see an awfully lot of pretty talented guys--some who are just in bad situations, or some who were #1s on bad teams but now move to #2 as that team adds talent. Depending on your point of view he really could be anywhere from top 10-15 to all the way down near the bottom. Miles too for that matter, until he hopefully proves otherwise.

 

[DallasEast]

Where would you rank Patrick Clayton on this list?

1--A Boldin (az)
2--W Welker (ne)
3--L Evans (buf)
4--H Ward..or Holmes (pit)
4--Royal (den)
6--Driver (gb)
7--L Coles (cin)
8--L Moore (no)
9--A Gonzaloa (ind)
10--K Walter (hou)
11--M Muhammed
12--Bruce (sf)
13--Chambers (sd)

<---Crayton(DAL)

14--B Engram (kc)
15--J Maclin (phi)
16--J Gage (ten)
17--M Jenkins (atl)
18--D Branch (sea)
19--D Patten (cle)
20--S Smith (nyg)
21--Harvin, Rice, or Wade (minn)
22--Randel El (was)
23--J Morgan (sf)
24--Heward-Bey or Walker (oak)
25--Mi Walker (jax)
26--Mi Clayton (bal)
27--Bry Johnson or Bess (Mia)
28--Clowney (nyj)
29--R Davis or Bennet (chi)
30--Ma Calyton (tb)
31--L Robinson (sl)

My vote.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

My vote.

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[DallasEast]

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Crayton is a #4 WR paid like a #2. I'd take 4.3 speed in Harvin or Bey over 4.65 with the wind anyday of the week

Ah yes.

 

[AdamJT13]

I dont think some people even bothered to look at the names on the list.

When you've been cut more times than you've caught an NFL pass, let alone scored an NFL touchdown, you're not better than Patrick Crayton.

 

[Doomsday]

I would put Crayton at around 18 on that list, but I am hoping we are talking about where Miles is on the list before long he has a lot more upside then Crayton.