An attempt to stop the help me understand threads

[blindzebra]

I want to see the draft board.

Seems funny how the same people that swear up and down it is a fact that Floyd was 7th on it call it BS that we had our top 3 picks all in our top 30.

 

[superpunk]

This is my take, exactly. What's the point of setting up a board, otherwise.

Basically, we went off our board to get the last of the interior OLs we thought could start for us when it became apparent none of them might not be there for us in the second. Ie, we filled a position of need in the first instead of drafting from our board. I can live with that, but I don't see the point in pretending we did anything other than reach to fill a need.

At least we added Williams in the process, who was great value for us where we took him.

With the way the draft went (everyone went nuts on linemen) I don't think we reached. We had to go Frederick there otherwise our chances of finding a OL starter with our first pick were gone.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I would just like to see a dominant performance at some level. Even with Ansah you can watch him pop some tackles and get push and beat them with quickness.

The 4 or so games I watched of Floyd, I saw good effort but mostly I saw a guy that got blocked a lot. I have no idea what people are projecting from with Floyd.

It was funny because in January everyone was saying he was around a Top 20 pick. Then in February he suddenly became a Top 5 pick without ever doing anything. His workout numbers were pretty mediocre at best. Then when it actually came time to pick players he suddenly became a 20ish pick again. Cowboys probably would have taken Eiffert ahead of Floyd. I have a feeling he was a 2nd or 3rd choice at a lot of picks between 3rd and 25th. He was like he person nobody wanted to date, but would totally recommend for a friend.

I think Floyd's ceiling is Mike Patterson. I personally don't think he's better than Brian Price.

 

[arglebargle]

Dont agree with this thinking at all

players picked after round 1

OL: that would be starting this year

Larry Warford
Brian Winters
Brian Schwenke
Barrett Jones
Brennan Williams (hurt but healthy by TC)


DL: that would be in the rotation this year and starting next year

Cornelius Carradine
Kawan Short
Bennie Logan
Damontre Moore
Jordan Hill
Akeem Spence

By the same token, i could make the argument that Escobar, Williams, Wilcox, and Webb are all not expected to be the starters this year

I suspect that some of these guys (but not all) were on the Cowboys radar, they just got snagged by other teams before the place the Cowboys were willing to pick them.

 

[Risen Star]

This just in - Larry Warford wouldn't offer more than Costa, Kowalski or Arkin. And guys like Jordan Hill, Brandon Williams and Akeem Spence are basically the same as Lissemore, Price and Bass.

 

[arglebargle]

With the way the draft went (everyone went nuts on linemen) I don't think we reached. We had to go Frederick there otherwise our chances of finding a OL starter with our first pick were gone.

Yeah, it was a pick for need, but the more I learn about Frederick, the happier I am about it.

Funny thing, if, prior to the draft, you told the fan base that the Cowboys would pick a guy they rated as the #1 Center, the cheers would have been momentous.

The fact that Floyd fell so is indeed a testament to NFL teams' scouts' opinion of him.

 

[Risen Star]

We could have gotten a slam dunk guaranteed starting G this year with Larry Warford in the 2nd round. Instead we upgraded Jason Witten's backup. Maybe.

 

[speedkilz88]

Callahan didn't like Warford for his system. Warford ended up falling to the 3rd round so other teams weren't exactly high on him either.

Winters was a guy they reportedly liked but 47 was way too early for him and he was taken before their 3rd came up.

 

[dogberry]

This so derivative on my part but here goes.

#7 on the draft value chart 1500 pts.

#22 Frederick 780 pts.

#26 Williams 700 pts.

What values did we assign to Ratliff and Price. If we thought Floyd wasn't better then some combination of those two, taking Floyd wouldn't give us an initial starter.

I'm guessing we have assigned values to our roster similar to our draft board, and those two sets of numbers interact when we make decisions.

Much stolen from jterrell and Inman Roshi rewritten to clarify to myself

 

[unionjack8]

do we have any substantial info stating Floyd was #7 on this list?

 

[DFWJC]

This so derivative on my part but here goes.

#7 on the draft value chart 1500 pts.

#22 Frederick 780 pts.

#26 Williams 700 pts.

What values did we assign to Ratliff and Price. If we thought Floyd wasn't better then some combination of those two, taking Floyd wouldn't give us an initial starter.

I'm guessing we have assigned values to our roster similar to our draft board, and those two sets of numbers interact when we make decisions.

Much stolen from jterrell and Inman Roshi rewritten to clarify to myself

I think those that say take Floyd also believe that Frederick would be there at 47--which is more likely than not. Some argu frddy may have even beeen there int he 3rd. Infact, many say say that. I kind of doubt it.
But no way to prove it now.

 

[blindzebra]

It has been widely reported that Det and Bal were both looking at taking Frederick early 2nd.

 

[blindzebra]

do we have any substantial info stating Floyd was #7 on this list?

No. Was part of the now retracted report by Fisher.

 

[unionjack8]

No. Was part of the now retracted report by Fisher.

well somebody needs to break fishers nuts until he gets this info lol

 

[Risen Star]

Callahan didn't like Warford for his system.

Where did he say that?

And if he did, then he needs to change his system.

Warford ended up falling to the 3rd round so other teams weren't exactly high on him either.

Yes, an early 3rd round pick is basically a flyer.

Larry Warford will be an infinitely better player than Costa, Arkin or Kowalski. He'll be better than both our starting Gs and maybe the new C too.

A Frederick/Warford 1-2 would have been a serious upgrade for this team.

 

[speedkilz88]

Dont agree with this thinking at all

players picked after round 1

OL: that would be starting this year

Larry Warford (65) Lions
Brian Winters (72) Jets
Brian Schwenke (107) Titans
Barrett Jones (113) Rams
Brennan Williams (hurt but healthy by TC)(89)Texans


DL: that would be in the rotation this year and starting next year



Cornelius Carradine (40) 49ers
Kawan Short (44) Panthers
Bennie Logan (67) Eagles
Damontre Moore (81) Giants
Jordan Hill (87) Seahawks
Akeem Spence (100) Buccaneers

By the same token, i could make the argument that Escobar, Williams, Wilcox, and Webb are all not expected to be the starters this year

Do you think maybe some would have been too high at the pick they could take them and others poor fits for their scheme?


Larry Warford (65) Lions Callahan didn't like him for his scheme. 47 also too high
Brian Winters (72) Jets Cowboys liked him but 47 too high
Brian Schwenke (107) Titans Pure ZBS guy and apparently Callahan isn't implementing Cowboys would have had to use (80)
Barrett Jones (113) Rams Most overated prospect with fans imo not strong not quick and not healthy
Brennan Williams (hurt but healthy by TC)(89)Texans Picked by a pure ZBS team so I doubt fits Callahan scheme

Cornelius Carradine (40) 49ers Did you want him at 31? Coming off knee inj
Kawan Short (44) Panthers Did you want him at 31? Not sure they like that much
Bennie Logan (67) Eagles Cowboys liked and possible 74, 80, 114 target Eagles took surprisingly high but probably because of DT run
Damontre Moore (81) Giants Poor interview guy turned off a lot of teams boom or bust guy
Jordan Hill (87) Seahawks Cowboys liked I think they target later though DT run probably made Seahawks reach also
Akeem Spence (100) Buccaneers I don't think he's that good, or a fit. Overdrafted imo

 

[blindzebra]

well somebody needs to break fishers nuts until he gets this info lol

It is their usual SOP, take misinformation and keep repeating it until it appears to be fact.

Oliver Stone will be making a movie on it this fall.

 

[dirt]

stop it! you are making sense

 

[Mr Cowboy]

No. Was part of the now retracted report by Fisher.

If you listened to the first round on the radio, 105.3 the fan, after every pick, Ciskowski would say a little pre-recorded blurp on the first rounder selected. When Floyd was selected, Ciskowski said that Floyd would be ranked 2 or 3 on their board...........

So yeah, Floyd was ranked pretty far up there on the Cowboys board.

 

[tm1119]

Do you think maybe some would have been too high at the pick they could take them and others poor fits for their scheme?


Larry Warford (65) Lions Callahan didn't like him for his scheme. 47 also too high
Brian Winters (72) Jets Cowboys liked him but 47 too high
Brian Schwenke (107) Titans Pure ZBS guy and apparently Callahan isn't implementing Cowboys would have had to use (80)
Barrett Jones (113) Rams Most overated prospect with fans imo not strong not quick and not healthy
Brennan Williams (hurt but healthy by TC)(89)Texans Picked by a pure ZBS team so I doubt fits Callahan scheme

Cornelius Carradine (40) 49ers Did you want him at 31? Coming off knee inj
Kawan Short (44) Panthers Did you want him at 31? Not sure they like that much
Bennie Logan (67) Eagles Cowboys liked and possible 74, 80, 114 target Eagles took surprisingly high but probably because of DT run
Damontre Moore (81) Giants Poor interview guy turned off a lot of teams boom or bust guy
Jordan Hill (87) Seahawks Cowboys liked I think they target later though DT run probably made Seahawks reach also
Akeem Spence (100) Buccaneers I don't think he's that good, or a fit. Overdrafted imo

Is it really necessary for you to just blindly put down or make an excuse for every other player we didn't take? 1/2 of your reasonings don't even make sense. So we couldn't pick ZBS guys because thats not what Callahan wants, but we also couldn't draft a big power guy like Warford? How does that make sense? Brennan Williams is hardly a ZBS only guy either.

Can't we just have a normal civil conversation without people either blindly defending everything the Cowboys did and without people overly bashing everything? Definitely some very good things in this draft and some very questionable as well. Is it that hard to admit this?