An Old Idea: Play Choice More

[BlindFaith]

and not many teams do have that answer.

that's what makes a top defense...top.

Minnesota had no problems scoring points against GB - twice.

New Orleans has no problem scoring points against anybody.

New England has put up a bunch of points, but like us, have struggled some against the better defenses.

Indianapolis is alot like us as well, big points against poor teams, not so good against better defenses.

San Diego has also put up some very good numbers against the higher ranked teams.

I just feel that we have an offensive line, running back, TE's and WR's that mach up as well or better with any of those teams. What doesn't match up is QB and OC.

 

[Doomsday101]

We were just as much in this game as we were in the game in Denver. In that game we ran the ball 25 times for 74yds! Less than 3 yards per carry! But we were right there in a hostile environment and stuck with the run whether it worked or not. We had more success on the limited carries yesterday than we did against Denver, yet we gave up on it in a three point game. It is absurd.

You set up the pass with the run, well most teams do, and it makes sense. Everything that we do is predicated on the pass. Even our runs come from a pass motion with all the draw plays. Run the ball on the road to keep it close, and win the game in the end.

The run pass ratio was 17-10 when the game was 3-0. That is still too high, considering the success rate we had on those passes. Punch them in the mouth with the run, then playaction. We run playaction and the other teams DBs and LBs start laughing at us... they know we aren't gonna run the ball...

Dallas could have run a bit more but it does not change we were being beat on the line of scimmage only decent chances were seeing was some plays down the field. We looked like crap running it the play calling did not kill us the inablity to run block or pass block did. If you think running into a brick wall time after time would have changed one damn thing fine believe what you choose but when I see our line loosing the battles up front then it does not matter what you are calling.

 

[BlindFaith]

What I'm saying is we had plays down field we were not finishing off, I'm saying when there are DB up close to the line it is stupid to run into a brick wall time after time the same people whinning right now would call that playing not to loose remember that was what people claimed when BP was here and continued to run the ball even when it was not working. I want to see Dallas be more balanced than yesterday and we may have been able to do that had we been able to finish off some plays we hit down the field which would have given us 1st downs but instead where dropped or called back due to penalties.

There were just as many if not more bad plays that resulted from us trying to pass. Sacks, fumbles, interceptions, bad throws.

Maybe I'm just down on Romo and feel taking the game out of his hands makes more sense. Maybe I have little faith in Garrett being able to take advantage of a superior defense.

All I know is that we have the second highest ypc average in the entire league. We were in the top 5 in rushing until recently and yesterday we leaned on our passing game which let us down miserably.

 

[AmericasTeam31]

Dallas could have run a bit more but it does not change we were being beat on the line of scimmage only decent chances were seeing was some plays down the field. We looked like crap running it the play calling did not kill us the inablity to run block or pass block did. If you think running into a brick wall time after time would have changed one damn thing fine believe what you choose but when I see our line loosing the battles up front then it does not matter what you are calling.

So then what is with the 5ypc average? You don't run the ball to consistently pick up 5 yds. You run the ball for the chance to hit a big gain, or get a couple and keep them guessing. If all of our 55 rushing yards came on a couple big plays, so what? They have to respect the run game to avoid those big plays, right? Then you can open up the playaction pass.

I'm not saying that it would have or wouldn't have changed the outcome in this game. But to see it get abandoned that easily, especially since we did have some success with it early, drives me nuts.

I'd take 11 rushes for 55yds, over 17 passes for 31yds anyday! Maybe you dont' realize that those were the stats before GB went up 10-0. 31 NET passing yards! And 22 of those came on the first two plays of the game!!!!

 

[Doomsday101]

There were just as many if not more bad plays that resulted from us trying to pass. Sacks, fumbles, interceptions, bad throws.

Maybe I'm just down on Romo and feel taking the game out of his hands makes more sense. Maybe I have little faith in Garrett being able to take advantage of a superior defense.

All I know is that we have the second highest ypc average in the entire league. We were in the top 5 in rushing until recently and yesterday we leaned on our passing game which let us down miserably.

Yet only decent plays that were there for the taking were also down the field. GB has a lot of folks around the line of scimmage which is why we saw RW wideopen on the skinny post but fumbles it, or the drop ball down the sideline by RW. I'm not going to sit here and play the stat game bottom line for me is we were having our lunch eaten at the line of scrimmage, Dallas could have ran all day and if the outcome is the same then the people questioning the passes would be the same folk complaining that all we did was run for 1 or 2 yards then punt the damn ball. Plays where there we did not capitalize on them due to our own mistakes.

 

[Doomsday101]

So then what is with the 5ypc average? You don't run the ball to consistently pick up 5 yds. You run the ball for the chance to hit a big gain, or get a couple and keep them guessing. If all of our 55 rushing yards came on a couple big plays, so what? They have to respect the run game to avoid those big plays, right? Then you can open up the playaction pass.

I'm not saying that it would have or wouldn't have changed the outcome in this game. But to see it get abandoned that easily, especially since we did have some success with it early, drives me nuts.

I'd take 11 rushes for 55yds, over 17 passes for 31yds anyday! Maybe you dont' realize that those were the stats before GB went up 10-0. 31 NET passing yards! And 22 of those came on the first two plays of the game!!!!

We ran well on the 1st series after that we were getting nothing but 1 or 2 yard gains leaving ourself in second an long and 3rd and long. I would have no issue with running more but given how piss poor the blocking was we were not moving the fricken ball. The plays where we had some shot were plays down the field we just failed to finish the plays due drops or having it come back due to penalties. There were plays to be made we failed to capitalize on them had we done so then chances are we do end up with more than 11 carries.

 

[AmericasTeam31]

We ran well on the 1st series after that we were getting nothing but 1 or 2 yard gains leaving ourself in second an long and 3rd and long. I would have no issue with running more but given how piss poor the blocking was we were not moving the fricken ball. The plays where we had some shot were plays down the field we just failed to finish the plays due drops or having it come back due to penalties. There were plays to be made we failed to capitalize on them had we done so then chances are we do end up with more than 11 carries.

We had more negative yardage plays from the passing game than we did the running game though... 5 sacks and a swing pass for -5 yds... vs 4 running plays that didn't lose even a total of 5 yards...

Or we could just drop back to pass on the second and long or third and longs that you speak of and get sacked go from 2nd and 8 to 3rd and 18?

 

[Doomsday101]

We had more negative yardage plays from the passing game than we did the running game though... 5 sacks and a swing pass for -5 yds... vs 4 running plays that didn't lose even a total of 5 yards...

Or we could just drop back to pass on the second and long or third and longs that you speak of and get sacked go from 2nd and 8 to 3rd and 18?

As I said when your getting your tail kicked at the line of scrimmage the plays being called will not matter much. It was not as if Dallas was having any success running and we just abandoned it, they look at the photos on the side line to see what the defense is doing and there were some plays to be made down field had we done so then chances are this conversations is not taking place. Instead we dropped ball, fumbled a big play and had plays called back due to penalties all of which were plays down the field.

 

[BAZ]

I hate when in threads like this people divvy up the carries to each back and post it like that plan can't fail. If the protection is there any of the three backs can run through the holes. They can't run through a gang of people swinging out of them.

 

[iceberg]

Minnesota had no problems scoring points against GB - twice.

New Orleans has no problem scoring points against anybody.

New England has put up a bunch of points, but like us, have struggled some against the better defenses.

Indianapolis is alot like us as well, big points against poor teams, not so good against better defenses.

San Diego has also put up some very good numbers against the higher ranked teams.

I just feel that we have an offensive line, running back, TE's and WR's that mach up as well or better with any of those teams. What doesn't match up is QB and OC.

great. so they all put up good numbers and we didn't.

are you actually going to sit there and say "if we ran more we'd have put up those numbers"?

so much more went wrong than not running more and doing that isn't the sole cure for our problems.

just a source of frustration to some who over-amplify their own perceived problems to be more than fan-venting to actually being what is wrong with the team.

our OL fell apart literally and it *ALL* went downhill from there.

but yea, if we ran more we'd be undefeated.

got it.

 

[The Realist]

He is an OK blocker from what I have seen over his short career. The 3rd down back doesnt need to be a great blocker in some systems.

Then I wonder why Wade pointed out Choice's blocking being better than Felix's today in his PC?

 

[rangers71]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Marion average 7 yards a carry and then they stopped running it? Seems like Marion was ok yesterday. Not sure he was the problem.

 

[Joe Realist]

I just don't know why our OC does not know how to use his backs more.

 

[BlindFaith]

great. so they all put up good numbers and we didn't.

are you actually going to sit there and say "if we ran more we'd have put up those numbers"?

so much more went wrong than not running more and doing that isn't the sole cure for our problems.

just a source of frustration to some who over-amplify their own perceived problems to be more than fan-venting to actually being what is wrong with the team.

our OL fell apart literally and it *ALL* went downhill from there.

but yea, if we ran more we'd be undefeated.

got it.

No,it has nothing to do with this last game. It has to do with the fact that our offense does jack against good defenses while other real offenses do.

And I personally don't believe it is a problem with the WR, TEs, OL or RBs.

I'm officially done with the Romo hype and the sooner Garrett and his simplistic, panic driven, let the defense dictate our offense arse is out of here the better.

If they can get it done in the playoffs, then I'll be the first to say I was wrong. God I hope they can get it done. But I've just seen too much of the same from both of them to feel confident that we can.

 

[Doomsday101]

No,it has nothing to do with this last game. It has to do with the fact that our offense does jack against good defenses while other real offenses do.

And I personally don't believe it is a problem with the WR, TEs, OL or RBs.

I'm officially done with the Romo hype and the sooner Garrett and his simplistic, panic driven, let the defense dictate our offense arse is out of here the better.

If they can get it done in the playoffs, then I'll be the first to say I was wrong. God I hope they can get it done. But I've just seen too much of the same from both of them to feel confident that we can.

Only thing panic driven is the fans. We lose and the sky is falling. Dallas lost they played bad it was not the end of the season just a bad game and something the team will need to over come. While I'm not going to sit here and say everything is peaches and cream thing are also not as bad as some are making it out to be. My god if we are that bad of a team what the hell does that say about NY and Philly who is sitting behind us right now or the Saints who damn near lost to the lowly Rams?

 

[BlindFaith]

Only thing panic driven is the fans. We lose and the sky is falling. Dallas lost they played bad it was not the end of the season just a bad game and something the team will need to over come. While I'm not going to sit here and say everything is peaches and cream thing are also not as bad as some are making it out to be. My god if we are that bad of a team what the hell does that say about NY and Philly who is sitting behind us right now or the Saints who damn near lost to the lowly Rams?

Four of our wins have come against four of the worst teams in the NFL.

We beat a poor defensive team in Atlanta who have actually looked rather poor the last couple of weeks.

We beat Philly in Philly on one big play. It was a good win, but I don't think Philly is all that this year either.

The two best defenses statistically we've played have held us to 10 points and 7 points. Carolina held us to 14 points.

I guess what I'm saying here is that until we can show some offensive production against a quality defense I'm going to question the two most key cogs on offense. Romo and Garrett.

 

[Doomsday101]

Four of our wins have come against four of the worst teams in the NFL.

We beat a poor defensive team in Atlanta who have actually looked rather poor the last couple of weeks.

We bet Philly in Philly on one big play. It was a good win, but I don't think Philly is all that this year either.

The two best defenses statistically we've played have held us to 10 points and 7 points. Carolina held us to 14 points.

I guess what I'm saying here is that until we can show some offensive production against a quality defense I'm going to question the two most key cogs on offense. Romo and Garrett.

Dallas had a bad game I'm sorry they had a bad game. Sorry I don't think the sky is falling I think once again after any loss people come in over reacting the sky is falling and the whole 9 yards I have just come to the realization that is how some people act.

Will very good defense slow down an offense yes and it is harder to score on good defense it is for us it is for others as well. Dallas had some big opportunities in that game and failed to take advantage of them

 

[Alexander]

I agree. We could not win the battles up front when that happens you will struggle to win

Winning and losing the battles upfront have to do with the defense being reactionary.

If we line up in a shotgun set on first down, no, running the ball isn't an option. And of course the defense is going to react accordingly.

It is very easy to say "we didn't win the battles" up front, but the entire point is, and this was made by Dom Capers himself, the battle was never there to begin with as we were too one dimensional. Without the threat of running the ball with any sort of regularity, the Packers were willing to concede the run to stop the pass. They rushed incessantly. We didn't even bother to push that envelope and played into their hands. They dictated the situation in a close game because we allowed it to happen.

We have had these kinds of days before under Garrett where there was a reason to abandon the run because it wasn't working. Barber was ripping off his first few carries and that's hardly a case of being beaten up front. The run game is a battle of attrition. We never bothered to even pick the fight.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Winning and losing the battles upfront have to do with the defense being reactionary.

If we line up in a shotgun set on first down, no, running the ball isn't an option. And of course the defense is going to react accordingly.

It is very easy to say "we didn't win the battles" up front, but the entire point is, and this was made by Dom Capers himself, the battle was never there to begin with as we were too one dimensional. Without the threat of running the ball with any sort of regularity, the Packers were willing to concede the run to stop the pass. They rushed incessantly. We didn't even bother to push that envelope and played into their hands. They dictated the situation in a close game because we allowed it to happen.

We have had these kinds of days before under Garrett where there was a reason to abandon the run because it wasn't working. Barber was ripping off his first few carries and that's hardly a case of being beaten up front. The run game is a battle of attrition. We never bothered to even pick the fight.

It happens far to often also. Defense dictates the way we play on offense. However our defense can never do that to anyone else.

 

[Doomsday101]

Winning and losing the battles upfront have to do with the defense being reactionary.

If we line up in a shotgun set on first down, no, running the ball isn't an option. And of course the defense is going to react accordingly.

It is very easy to say "we didn't win the battles" up front, but the entire point is, and this was made by Dom Capers himself, the battle was never there to begin with as we were too one dimensional. Without the threat of running the ball with any sort of regularity, the Packers were willing to concede the run to stop the pass. They rushed incessantly. We didn't even bother to push that envelope and played into their hands. They dictated the situation in a close game because we allowed it to happen.

We have had these kinds of days before under Garrett where there was a reason to abandon the run because it wasn't working. Barber was ripping off his first few carries and that's hardly a case of being beaten up front. The run game is a battle of attrition. We never bothered to even pick the fight.

Yet they did a great job of stopping the run outside of the 1st series of the game where Dallas got 3 decent runs. When Dallas did run they were not getting yards add to that Dallas raking up penalties kept us in many long yardage situations. We ran 11 time fact is we did not run many plays at all for much of the 3 qrts because we could not buy a 1st down to save our lives. When we did have oppertunities to make plays we managed to drop and or fumble them away. As for the Oline they were not run blocking worth a damn and were not pass blocking worth a damn. I have no issue with those who feel we should have ran a bit more than we did however if you are picking up 1 and 2 yards I can promise this place would have went off on that as well.