And so it begins...

DMX690

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Listen i hear T.O took a $%^& and didn't wash his hand. He then proceeded to shake Drew Bledsoe hand. And so it begins....
 

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superpunk said:
Surprised?

We all know this is going to happen - and it's going to keep happening. The important thing is how it's handled when it happens. Right now, none of this has been confirmed by anyone else. If it is, we see how it's handled.

That is the test.

Step away from that cliff.


Precisely.

Anyone who thought TO was not going to "be TO" at some point was kidding themselves. The bet was made by Mr. Jones and company that the way his flareups are dealt with will make all the difference in the world, we shall see.
 

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The AP, DMN, FWST, DC.com, SAEN, every network TV affilliate from Dallas, San Antonio, Lubbock and many other Texas towns did not catch but scout.com comes up with this?

Yeah right.
 

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yeah if this were true then ESPN would be all over this saying how T.O is already destroyin the Boyz and that we made a huge mistake. and a bunch of other crap. i doubt it was really a big deal
 

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HeavyHitta31 said:

as I noted in another thread, that site is basically trash...the vast majority of their articles are simply made up, the factual one's are usually copied from other websites or news outlets, and reprinted as "inside news" from them

since NOBODYwith any credibility at all that covers our team mentioned this, I'd say its probably a safe bet to chalk this up as yet another waste of time column

David
 

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I think most realistic fans know it's going to end bad. The key is whether we can get at least a year or two good years out of him before it does. I hate having to have players that need coddled and star treatment. But, with Me-O, that's the only way it can possibly work.
Although the catch is the more he's given preferential treatment, the more he expects it and eventually he'll just go too far to the detriment of the team. But as we saw last year in Philly, if you don't coddle him, then he makes sure it ends bad sooner rather than later. It's inevitable it'll end poorly, the only question is how long will it take?
 

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The one thing I've noticed is that writers tend to draw their own conclusions when it comes to Owens. In the Pittsburgh vs. Philly game in '04 when Owens and McNabb were getting into it on the sidelines, the entire world assumed that Owens was blasting McNabb. In reality, he wasn't and even McNabb claims he wasn't to this day.

It's kind of like of Spagnola said when a fellow reporter was telling him he could "tell that there was tension between Jones and Parcells" at the mini-camp and Spagnola didn't see how anybody could interpret 2 guys standing 5 feet from each other as anything.

The one thing about Owens is that he wants to be the best out there. If he drops some passes or has an off day, he's not happy with it. A lot of good players will just chalk it up as an off day and go to the locker room (which is fine). But Owens was out there working and was ticked off that he had a bad practice. Which is a big reason why Parcells and Jones wanted him because he doesn't like having bad practices or bad games.

Rich........
 

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I would take the whole story with a grain of salt. No other news source reported this. I know some of you like Fisher but I don't think he is very good. Plus remember he did something like this last year.

Remember he claimed that Canty had big time attitude problems. No one else reported it and since then nothing.
 

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This is plain stupid and totally unsubstantiated. One point doesn’t make a straight line. Every one has this misguided perception that TO is a team wrecker especially in year two. Not only is that assertion preposterous it is a product of lazy and shotty journalism. The aforementioned year two scenario only happened once and one could easily argue that San Fran and Philly locker rooms were already in shambles and TO was the easiest to use as a scapegoat.

TO will be fine here and much like the much anticipated Jerry and Bill breakup the TO fallout will never happen.
 

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DBoys said:
That is the attitude that will bring about the very thing your complaining about. It is the same attitude the 49ers used and the Eagles. The thing that will keep the relationship healthy is BP shooting im straight and not trying to manipulate him.

The guy is the best receiver in the game and he has a voice. You got to talk to one another and build a relationship.

No, that is the attitude that is inevitable. You cannot find a collection of 52 players plus coaching staff that can collectively deal with a player like Owens when things are going bad. This is what Jerry signed them up for. Win or you're screwed.
 

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Smashmouth24 said:
No, that is the attitude that is inevitable. You cannot find a collection of 52 players plus coaching staff that can collectively deal with a player like Owens when things are going bad. This is what Jerry signed them up for. Win or you're screwed.


or really so thats why the entire offseason, when the eagles refused to pay Ownes for his comeback in the SB, he tore the team apart.

It was all because there were losing right?

I mean never mind that both teams had weak coaches and weak QB's that cant stand up to their own shadow, and refused to tell Owens anything straightg up, but i mean, of course its all because Owens has to ahve his team win, or he's gonna bring the roof down

Please,
 

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dargonking999 said:
or really so thats why the entire offseason, when the eagles refused to pay Ownes for his comeback in the SB, he tore the team apart.

It was all because there were losing right?

I mean never mind that both teams had weak coaches and weak QB's that cant stand up to their own shadow, and refused to tell Owens anything straightg up, but i mean, of course its all because Owens has to ahve his team win, or he's gonna bring the roof down

Please,

Didn't Owens write in his book that Reid was a straight shooter? That he regrets the way he handled him? Wasn't Owens incredulous at being told to 'shut up' by his head coach? Do you really think Parcells won't have to tell this guy to 'shut up'?

The point was that when teams are losing games like the Eagles are it's much more difficult to concentrate on getting better with him going off on the team in the background. It's not just one or two people that have to deal with him so stop pretending like that's all it takes. Unless you have 52 guys with psychology degrees you're going to have a problem if you lose games. That is unless Owens has changed.
 

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Smashmouth24 said:
Didn't Owens write in his book that Reid was a straight shooter? That he regrets the way he handled him? The point was that when teams are losing games like the Eagles are it's much more difficult to concentrate on getting better with him going off on the team in the background. It's not just one or two people that have to deal with him so stop pretending like that's all it takes. Unless you have 52 guys with psychology degrees you're going to have a problem if you lose games. That is unless Owens has changed.

Again, you didnt answer my question at all

Owens began "tearing" phili apart in the offseason when they refused tp ay him, how does that ahve anything to do with losing games.

ANd in Sanf Fran where maybe your argument holds water, he was fed up with SEASONS of losing and medicore play from his QB, and team.

And for all this going off on the team in the background its funny that most of his teamates keep saying how they want him back, and they never had a problem with him. So he cant be going off on the team that bad? Or wait im sorry, i jsut dont feel the need to bash this guy for everything, im sory i'll go now,
 

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Spirit Warrior said:
That's a hypocritical comment there considering all the malcontents the skins have and have had over the years.:rolleyes:


skins having malcontents??? You gotta be kidding me!:D


doesn't surprise me that a skins fan is posting in this thread.... I'll bet there's even a thread at ES about this same topic.... I'll check and see.....
 

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Yakuza Rich said:
The one thing about Owens is that he wants to be the best out there. If he drops some passes or has an off day, he's not happy with it. A lot of good players will just chalk it up as an off day and go to the locker room (which is fine). But Owens was out there working and was ticked off that he had a bad practice. Which is a big reason why Parcells and Jones wanted him because he doesn't like having bad practices or bad games.

Rich........

Stop making sense. Can't you read? IT HAS BEGUN.:rolleyes:
 

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dargonking999 said:
Again, you didnt answer my question at all

Owens began "tearing" phili apart in the offseason when they refused tp ay him, how does that ahve anything to do with losing games.

ANd in Sanf Fran where maybe your argument holds water, he was fed up with SEASONS of losing and medicore play from his QB, and team.

And for all this going off on the team in the background its funny that most of his teamates keep saying how they want him back, and they never had a problem with him. So he cant be going off on the team that bad? Or wait im sorry, i jsut dont feel the need to bash this guy for everything, im sory i'll go now,

Most of his teammates did not say they wanted him back. Most of his teammates did not say they never had a problem with him. I'm not bashing the guy for 'everything'. I'm only saying that in a losing environment he hurts you more than he helps you get better. A team isn't 'torn apart' in the damned off-season. The players had very little to deal with in regards to Owens. It wasn't until they started losing games that players were being asked dozens of questions about T.O., daily, and in some cases under the strain felt like they had to publically side with or against Owens. They're not psych majors, they can't rationally sift through Owens` drama like a head coach. When they become a part of it they can't handle it and it affects their focus and attention towards getting better.
 
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