Andre Johnson wants out of Houston; Johnson and Dez on either side?

theSHOW said:
A better thought is trading Dez to Houston for 2 1sts and letting those 2 WRs light it up in H town. Meanwhile our cap problems will be solved and the new picks won't arrive a moment late. 2015 & 2016

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teams are not built behind wide receivers
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Yeah, we'll pick up a tight end and a guard. Super Bowl Champs.
 
Toruk_Makto said:
After giving Maclin 6M dollars for a single year coming off a serious knee injury.

And way to ignore ALL those other examples. LOL
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i think we both agree that the QB is most important. You cited WRs to throw to and I would rather have a top line and RB with multiple receiving threats like we have disregarding DB.. I already know this forum is dominated by posters who want dez to retire a Cowboy while i would rather spend that cap space on a defensive player..or another lineman who can dominate...as long as we have other weapons. The key: draft well and go to the WR well in the draft and keep the WR core young and supplement with cheaper vets like SF and NE
 
theSHOW said:
A better thought is trading Dez to Houston for 2 1sts and letting those 2 WRs light it up in H town. Meanwhile our cap problems will be solved and the new picks won't arrive a moment late. 2015 & 2016

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teams are not built behind wide receivers
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Funny you said with Michael Irvin's photo in your signature.....
 
theSHOW said:
A better thought is trading Dez to Houston for 2 1sts and letting those 2 WRs light it up in H town. Meanwhile our cap problems will be solved and the new picks won't arrive a moment late. 2015 & 2016

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teams are not built behind wide receivers
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Bowdown27 said:
Not sure if serious.....
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That's not as bad of an idea as you might think. Dez is going to be extremely expensive. You would be getting the picks plus a huge amount of cap space.

If that offer was available after this season, the Cowboys would have to seriously consider it. In the modern NFL with the current CBA, you have to consider the cap ramifications as well as the picks. You would be getting 2 first round picks plus about 12M per year in cap space.

You could make a case that it would have been favorable to the Cowboys if somebody had offered them #7 overall in this past draft for Dez. Then they could have drafted Mike Evans and had him on a rookie contact for 4 years which means they could have added other players with the 12M per that Dez is going to get.

Having said all of that, Houston wouldn't make that offer because they're not 1 player away from being a Super Bowl contender.
 
GimmeTheBall! said:
http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/07/10/andre-johnson-houston-texans-trade-interest

The thought of Dez on one side and Johnson on the other -- that's a intriguing thought.
1,400 yards receiving is nothing to sneeze at.

Texans, however are unwilling to deal him at present.

Jerra/Romo, if you are reading this, weigh in on this intriguing thought.
signed, a longtime fan
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it won't work....what do we want? there is a large faction that says run run run...and we need to run more. now, people are intrigued and have wet dreams about to 1500 yard pass catchers.....and the biggest point of all what will it cost to get him? he wants money....and are we willing to strap our cap for years because of a wet dream specially when our defense is not ready.....you win with defense.

now, if they want to trade JJ Watt, I would be willing to listen
 
I hope he does leave Houston and while I think he is a top quality player I don't think Dallas should even consider him, given the contract he will demand. I think Dallas WR core looks good as is.
 
xwalker said:
That's not as bad of an idea as you might think. Dez is going to be extremely expensive. You would be getting the picks plus a huge amount of cap space.

If that offer was available after this season, the Cowboys would have to seriously consider it. In the modern NFL with the current CBA, you have to consider the cap ramifications as well as the picks. You would be getting 2 first round picks plus about 12M per year in cap space.

You could make a case that it would have been favorable to the Cowboys if somebody had offered them #7 overall in this past draft for Dez. Then they could have drafted Mike Evans and had him on a rookie contact for 4 years which means they could have added other players with the 12M per that Dez is going to get.

Having said all of that, Houston wouldn't make that offer because they're not 1 player away from being a Super Bowl contender.
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I think you are being kind to this Dez enamored board. Fact is... if the Cowboys were lucky enough to receive 2 1sts...Dez is gone. Jerry/Stephen/Will/Jason have been making the money moves that don't put the team in a mortgaging of the future situation. So you're first sentence should reread "That's a great idea"
 
Andre's not going anywhere, guys.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Andre-Johnsons-trade-leverage.html

Johnson undercut any leverage he may have had to force a trade because the broad signing bonus recovery language is in his contract restructures. If Johnson hadn’t restructured the contract he signed in 2010 or gotten the more favorable signing bonus language, the maximum amount of signing bonus the Texans would have been able to recoup from him with a holdout this year would have only been $469,583 (the prorated amount of signing bonus in 2014 from his 2010 deal). The broad language allows the Texans to recover a maximum of $4,444,583 from Johnson in 2014. Johnson should have been risking $70,437 of signing bonus with a six-day training camp holdout, but it’s $666,687 instead. If Johnson misses the entire Texans’ training camp and no more than four weeks of the regular season, they can recoup $2,222,291 from him when it would have been $234,791 with the better language. Johnson would also be giving up $588,235 of his $10 million base salary for each week of the regular season he missed.

The broad language also effectively removes retirement as an option for Johnson as Carson Palmer did in 2011 with the Cincinnati Bengals. Players aren’t subject to the daily fines for missed training with retirement, but signing bonus recovery is more onerous on the player. A team can demand repayment of the signing bonus proration from the current contract year and the remaining years of the deal upon the retirement. If the player doesn’t repay this money, the team can seek an award through arbitration. Johnson’s contract runs through 2016. The Texans could demand $11,364,168 from Johnson if he retired when it should have only been $939,168. Palmer didn’t have to worry about signing bonus recovery because the proration with his 2005 contract extension ended in 2010.
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theSHOW said:
I think you are being kind to this Dez enamored board. Fact is... if the Cowboys were lucky enough to receive 2 1sts...Dez is gone. Jerry/Stephen/Will/Jason have been making the money moves that don't put the team in a mortgaging of the future situation. So you're first sentence should reread "That's a great idea"
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If the offer was before the draft, it would near impossible to resist it; however, at this point they would be intentionally tanking the 2014 season for future draft picks.

For it to be a good idea, there would have to be a realistic possibility of Houston making the offer.
 
xwalker said:
If the offer was before the draft, it would near impossible to resist it; however, at this point they would be intentionally tanking the 2014 season for future draft picks.

For it to be a good idea, there would have to be a realistic possibility of Houston making the offer.
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Agreed. Houston would not make the trade. And this Dez trade was just a quick retort to the original request from the OP that we go after Johson and have 2 top tier wide outs. My response was YES keep them together. IN HOUSTON!
 
theSHOW said:
A better thought is trading Dez to Houston for 2 1sts and letting those 2 WRs light it up in H town. Meanwhile our cap problems will be solved and the new picks won't arrive a moment late. 2015 & 2016

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teams are not built behind wide receivers
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what cap problems?
we are fine, we are $8 million under, and if Orton ordeal is settled and he reitres, we have $11 million.
 
I'd love to have Johnson just to watch him beat down some clowns on the opposing rivals. I can see it now, this would be DeAngelo Hall and Johnson.

 
How old is he now? 85? 90? I don't want him. Especially for what Houston would be demanding.
 
Yeah, we really need a player who is also a team leader crying about/demanding a trade while making $10M for the year. "Trade me to a contender or I quit." Yeah, let's go get this guy even though we don't need a WR. Don't worry about his age, either. :mad:
 
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