Another Diluted Combine Sample - Jabrill Peppers

RingOfHonor88 said:
That's what's been so easily dismissed by the ones defending these diluted tests as nothing more than a testing error. Every single person I know that has failed a test for diluting has been trying to mask something. You have to pound a ton of water in a short time while also being sure you are peeing it out until it's running damn near clear. I've know health fanatics who drink a gallon of water+ daily and have never failed for diluting. It feels like people are being a little too gullible to me.
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They're either covering their eyes or trying to find fault with the established rules when someone breaks one.
 
I'd take him off the board, and I was a big supporter of taking him at 28. :thumbdown:
 
The assumption is pot but can't this indicate covering up something else (such as PEDs/stimulants), or is that run through a different test?

For players at the Combine, where running a 4.4 vs a 4.5 could be worth millions of dollars, I can see a player making that (dumb) decision. If Peppers ran a 4.55 instead, he'd be a 2nd rounder anyway. Taking a stimulant and testing higher than his actual athleticism pushes him into RD1. If they catch him, it just moves him back down to where he likely was pre-Combine.
 
Id heard Dallas wasnt taking him at 28 anyway, so this is bad news for hopes of pushing someone further toward us.
Foster may stll go round 1, but not Peppers.
 
I personally wouldn't knock these players draft grades down for a Dillinger sample..

I'm sure some teams will and some teams won't.
 
RingOfHonor88 said:
That's what's been so easily dismissed by the ones defending these diluted tests as nothing more than a testing error. Every single person I know that has failed a test for diluting has been trying to mask something. You have to pound a ton of water in a short time while also being sure you are peeing it out until it's running damn near clear. I've know health fanatics who drink a gallon of water+ daily and have never failed for diluting. It feels like people are being a little too gullible to me.
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I think your point is a fair one. I say I believe Foster, but I don't know. Also, I agree with you on the water intake. I don't know about this testing system, but it would seem to me a player would have to take an inordinate amount of water to dilute his urine. Would simply trying to get hydrated (like Foster says he was trying to do because of dehydration) require enough water that your pee would be diluted upon testing?

I'm willing to give a guy a chance if he has no other drug issues, and from what I understand, Foster never tested positive at Alabama.

But I understand if we pass. I gave Randy Gregory a chance, and that was misplaced. And I'm a little miffed because I honestly believe had Gregory been available to us this year, we would have reached the Super Bowl.
 
gmoney112 said:
Haha errybody and their mama knows a diluted sample is to mask toking up.

These guys are learning the NFL tests are a little more stringent than the easy college ones.
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I don't think these guys paid attention in chemistry.
 
fishspill said:
I don't think these guys paid attention in chemistry.
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It's more disappointing that two players are too dumb to just take creatine a few days before diluting.

Leadbelly said:
The assumption is pot but can't this indicate covering up something else (such as PEDs/stimulants), or is that run through a different test?

For players at the Combine, where running a 4.4 vs a 4.5 could be worth millions of dollars, I can see a player making that (dumb) decision. If Peppers ran a 4.55 instead, he'd be a 2nd rounder anyway. Taking a stimulant and testing higher than his actual athleticism pushes him into RD1. If they catch him, it just moves him back down to where he likely was pre-Combine.
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I mean, maybe adderrall or something yeah. Do they run urine through a hormone panel? I don't think so. PEDs that aren't on a drug panel won't show up on the UA. I could see adderall, I'm not sure what day the tests are on. I would think a college athlete could get a scrip if he wanted one.
 
tyke1doe said:
I think your point is a fair one. I say I believe Foster, but I don't know. Also, I agree with you on the water intake. I don't know about this testing system, but it would seem to me a player would have to take an inordinate amount of water to dilute his urine. Would simply trying to get hydrated (like Foster says he was trying to do because of dehydration) require enough water that your pee would be diluted upon testing?

I'm willing to give a guy a chance if he has no other drug issues, and from what I understand, Foster never tested positive at Alabama.

But I understand if we pass. I gave Randy Gregory a chance, and that was misplaced. And I'm a little miffed because I honestly believe had Gregory been available to us this year, we would have reached the Super Bowl.
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In my experience, you have to drink the inordinate amount of water in a short time to dilute it enough to fail or mask a drug. I've personally tried to do it and the amount I consumed was enough where you feel queasy. From everything I've experienced in my personal life(me and friends), drinking an 8 or 16 ounce cup/bottle of water every hour or so wasn't enough. It took extreme measures to get it clear, and still more often than not ended up with a diluted test result. I'm not saying it's not possible, because I'm sure it is. It just seems unlikely to me.
 
Leadbelly said:
The assumption is pot but can't this indicate covering up something else (such as PEDs/stimulants), or is that run through a different test?

For players at the Combine, where running a 4.4 vs a 4.5 could be worth millions of dollars, I can see a player making that (dumb) decision. If Peppers ran a 4.55 instead, he'd be a 2nd rounder anyway. Taking a stimulant and testing higher than his actual athleticism pushes him into RD1. If they catch him, it just moves him back down to where he likely was pre-Combine.
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Most drugs have a very short half-life. Meaning most aren't detectable in your system after a couple of days. I'm not sure about PEDs, but I believe they have similarly short testing windows for most. Weed is different. It stays in your system longer because it is in the fat cells. The general rule is around 30 days, but it can be shorter for smaller, less fatty people or longer for bigger people. The length it is in your system is the reason it's assumed that's what was being masked.


gmoney112 said:
It's more disappointing that two players are too dumb to just take creatine a few days before diluting.



I mean, maybe adderrall or something yeah. Do they run urine through a hormone panel? I don't think so. PEDs that aren't on a drug panel won't show up on the UA. I could see adderall, I'm not sure what day the tests are on. I would think a college athlete could get a scrip if he wanted one.
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I'm not sure of the specifics, but they usually do two tests. One on site and then they ship one sample off to a lab for more thorough testing. At the lab they test for more things and even go so far as to test for the sex of the individual. That's probably the reason so many of these reports take so long is because they have to wait for the lab results to come back.
 
He will be in the drug program now,i would even hesitate to consider him at 60.
 
Jerry needs to just draft all the weed guys that are great ballers, then get the league to change the stupid rules and leave these good guys alone to do theyr thing. I know people who hit the weight room everday at 4am but wont go with out the glowstick!​
 
doesnt THC stay in your system for a few days. I think its like 20-30 if ingested. Even smoking is like 7-14 days. if sample was diluted the player should be given the ability to retest within 24 hours with a warning that another diluted sample will then be taken as positive. Theres to much money on the line for these players to let it just stand like this.
I once had an employee come up with diluted finding. She called me to say when tested she couldn't go-was instructed to take some water and retry in few minutes which she did and test came out diluted. I let her retest next day and it came up negative. Over the years we got to know each other (she smoked occasionally like any of us) and she confirmed that day she was on nothing and dilution came because of their inx.

After reading this story I sort of believe Peppers- think putting him in drug program is unwarranted and he should be given another test. why not?
As far as Cowboys he surprisingly wasnt a player they looked at (at least I didnt see him on the list). If thats true wouldnt be surprised if we passed at 28

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ill-peppers-tested-positive-for-dilute-sample
 
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