Another example of why Kellen Moore was let go

[Starforever]

Now you are moving the goalpost. This may or may not apply to you. But there is a collective who utter this, "can't read defenses," after every loss, it seems.

My first thought when I see this, or hear this is:

So, what was the defensive set he was facing when he tossed a pick?
What was the route?
Who was the primary and were they covered.
Did he go through his reads?
How did the defense adjust prior to the snap?
What was the status of the protection up to the moment he threw the ball.

Then I toss in the fact that unless you are sitting in the stands, you do not see all 22 players at the snap of the ball. The replay is shown, and the assumption game begins, because people assume they see something and that he saw it as well.

Example:

A game late in the season Cee Dee was running a seam route. The linebacker came from the opposite side of the formation and traveled with Cee Dee. The safety dropped down to cover the top. Dak threw the ball and the linebacker made a great play knocking it down.

Then the replay, as we are looking from behind the offense. You see Gallup uncover on the left side running up the seam. Gallup was clearly open.

The fans here screamed bloody murder. But consider Cee Dee on a linebacker, and this should have been the throw. You want to take that match-up all day. However, this linebacker, and I cannot remember who it was, ran like a deer and broke up the pass.

The after the fact opinion on this board was Dak misread the defense.

That has nothing to do with him panicking and holding on to the ball, or panicking and throwing ill advised passes. He's been in the league too long for some of his reactions.

The defense is paid to cover receivers; here lately, Dak gets rattled too easily. I never mentioned him reading defenses. What others argue has nothing to do with my point.

 

[Starforever]

What agenda? Did you not see the LB covering our RB in the flats? There definitely was no space to work with since our RB was covered.

We all saw the play, but everyone was covered, so Pollard was still an option. Being at the games, it looks different than on television. I know you are aware of this, so I am not insulting your intelligence.

 

[Cmac]

He outplayed Burrow. The irony is everyone acknowledges Cooper has a weak arm, yet he was 5-1 with Kellen calling his plays. Yeah, it's a team game, but the last QB to play back to back games without a turnover is Cooper Rush. Before him it was Andy Dalton.

Cooper Rush and Andy Dalton???.......are we that low now? If Kellen Moore would simply have watched the Falcons-Patriots SB......he might..... just might understand how dismissing situational football/clock management can lose you a game. Shanahan may have learned from it.

 

[Diehardblues]

We’re fixing to find out if it was more about Prescott or Moore.

What a great opportunity for Moore to go to LA with one of the up and coming potential Elite QB in Herbert.

 

[Diehardblues]

Lol.

So again, your justification is pointing to one of the least successful front offices in the last quarter century. Good luck with that.

They’re hoping Moore was the problem . Let’s hope McCarthy can convince our dysfunctional ownership to go back to what made Dak so effective when we had a more dominating running game but if we are intent on trying to prove Jethro was right and attempting to make Prescott into prolific passing QB then we could continue to struggle against the better defenses and teams .

 

[BoysForLife]

You agree with Jerry. What's that tell you?

Game, set, match.

 

[Diehardblues]

Game, set, match.

Yea, that’s a real concern when you become aligned with our owner. Red flags !!

 

[Haimerej]

Cooper Rush and Andy Dalton???.......are we that low now? If Kellen Moore would simply have watched the Falcons-Patriots SB......he might..... just might understand how dismissing situational football/clock management can lose you a game. Shanahan may have learned from it.

It's a simple fact both of those guys played back to back games without turning it over for the Cowboys more recently than Dak.

It's incoherent to say Moore doesn't understand situational football when Dalton had a higher win % than Dak in 2020 and so did Cooper this year. Before you get all bent out of shape saying wins are a team stat, I agree. But the point shows his offense can be efficient with lesser talent at the QB position.

 

[Haimerej]

They’re hoping Moore was the problem . Let’s hope McCarthy can convince our dysfunctional ownership to go back to what made Dak so effective when we had a more dominating running game but if we are intent on trying to prove Jethro was right and attempting to make Prescott into prolific passing QB then we could continue to struggle against the better defenses and teams .

I admit I'm skeptical of McCarthy running the ball. It was pointed out that he was NO OC from 2000-2004, which I didn't know, and he ran heavily with Ricky Williams and Deuce McAllister. So I'm less pessimistic for the time being.

 

[Cmac]

It's a simple fact both of those guys played back to back games without turning it over for the Cowboys more recently than Dak.

It's incoherent to say Moore doesn't understand situational football when Dalton had a higher win % than Dak in 2020 and so did Cooper this year. Before you get all bent out of shape saying wins are a team stat, I agree. But the point shows his offense can be efficient with lesser talent at the QB position.

If you want to go with small sample sizes then have at it. If you think chairs will e knocked over to annoint Cooper Rush and Andy Dalton for a season long stint, have at that too. If we gonna do that.....Timmy Smith is the greatest RB in NFL history. (Google)

As for Kellen Moore......believe it or not. Just came off the prior year with red zone efficiency being questioned.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Your lack of self awareness keeps bringing me back. Calling people whiners and begging them to leave is just... *chef's kiss*

*chef's kiss* ???

Now I know you who are! You're that dumb *** John Owning!! *chef's kiss*



Also, what a horrible mock draft you created there for the Cowboys, John boy!!!

 

[noshame]

There's a reason Dak has the option to change routes depending on the look the defense gives.
Shame on OCs all over the league giving QBs that option.

Our problem?
The QB has to have enough confidence to audible into the route that's available.

Cooper was not happy those options weren't used, why he was let go.

 

[America's Cowboy]

There's a reason Dak has the option to change routes depending on the look the defense gives.
Shame on OCs all over the league giving QBs that option.

Our problem?
The QB has to have enough confidence to audible into the route that's available.

Cooper was not happy those options weren't used, why he was let go.

Maybe the options designed by Kellen Moore weren't the best against certain teams, hence why Dak hesitated at times? Maybe that's why Amari Cooper had to coerce Dak in the huddle to ignore the called plays (including the backup play option) and instead run a play where Amari could run a dig route "In route", thus enabling Amari to deceive the defender into thinking you're going one way, only to stop and change direction. This helps open up different areas of the field to make it easier for receivers to get open which worked to perfection. I wonder if Kellen Moore felt disrespected and afterwards took it out on Amari by giving a vote of "no confidence" for keeping Amari?

 

[atlantacowboy]

They’re hoping Moore was the problem . Let’s hope McCarthy can convince our dysfunctional ownership to go back to what made Dak so effective when we had a more dominating running game but if we are intent on trying to prove Jethro was right and attempting to make Prescott into prolific passing QB then we could continue to struggle against the better defenses and teams .

They are hoping but we know otherwise. The routes were adapted for Prescott to avoid him having to make a lot of anticipatory throws. Could Amari Cooper have run better routes? Sure, but what good are they if the QB can't get him the ball. The offense isn't changing. The only thing changing is the play caller.

 

[noshame]

Maybe the options designed by Kellen Moore weren't the best against certain teams, hence why Dak hesitated at times? Maybe that's why Amari Cooper had to coerce Dak in the huddle to ignore the called plays (including the backup play option) and instead run a play where Amari could run a dig route "In route", thus enabling Amari to deceive the defender into thinking you're going one way, only to stop and change direction. This helps open up different areas of the field to make it easier for receivers to get open which worked to perfection. I wonder if Kellen Moore felt disrespected and afterwards took it out on Amari by giving a vote of "no confidence" for keeping Amari?

You know not of what you speak.
Let's see if Herbert can handle it shall we?

 

[CowboyFanInLexKy]

You mean the play where Kurt Warner said CeeDee ran a sloppy route and should have ran past the LB, then cut back the way he came into a created hole, instead of cutting his route short and running back into coverage?

No not that one. The one (of many) that CeeDee cut back because of Dak's accuracy.

 

[USArmyVet]

If you want to go with small sample sizes then have at it. If you think chairs will e knocked over to annoint Cooper Rush and Andy Dalton for a season long stint, have at that too. If we gonna do that.....Timmy Smith is the greatest RB in NFL history. (Google)

As for Kellen Moore......believe it or not. Just came off the prior year with red zone efficiency being questioned.

Small sample size????

Okay, let's try a larger sample size: you have to go back to 2019 (39 games) to find an example of back-to-back games where Dak DID NOT turn the ball over.

 

[G2]

He outplayed Burrow. The irony is everyone acknowledges Cooper has a weak arm, yet he was 5-1 with Kellen calling his plays. Yeah, it's a team game, but the last QB to play back to back games without a turnover is Cooper Rush. Before him it was Andy Dalton.

Interestingly, I noticed that not only did the offense run ultra efficient with Rush (displayed by his passing stats), it was the same when Prescott came back. Then, it slowly morphed back into pass happy, not enough running/balance and we're back with Dak trying to Unitas his way to wins. Just like Romo did. Why is that?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

did I mention 4 WR 10 yard curl routes. or 3 WR all go routes or 12 WR screens/game or the dang I can see it from space run up the middle formation or pass 18 times in 4th quarter and run 4 times with a 14 point lead or a 30 yard go route on a 3rd an 8 to put the game away...

 

[USArmyVet]

Interestingly, I noticed that not only did the offense run ultra efficient with Rush (displayed by his passing stats), it was the same when Prescott came back. Then, it slowly morphed back into pass happy, not enough running/balance and we're back with Dak trying to Unitas his way to wins. Just like Romo did. Why is that?

Well, you can't blame Moore for that seeing as how Moore was not the OC with Romo so is it more Dak trying to live up to Romo's gunslinger days or is it the front office wanting a pass-happy team?