Another layer to Zeke's case

[GORICO]

if meta data on phone pics can be easily edited and timestamps on text messages changed, i would protest the crap out of their validity

i thought time stamps could not be changed on this stuff????

 

[Direwolf63]

This is how it will go--- Zeke team will file injunction and it will drag out allowing Zeke to play this season..then next year when court rules procedure was fair and Zeke has to sit out 6 games we will wish we did it this year and not wait...its always about the ammo we got to play with now!!

This is a very likely scenario. I can easily see this happening.

 

[Them]

...I wish the Commish would at least appoint an independent arbiter for the appeal.

 

[Direwolf63]

i thought time stamps could not be changed on this stuff????

There are apps out there that allow you to do it. The only question is is there "fingerprints" within the phone that remain which show the original data if investigated closely.

 

[Nightman]

...I wish the Commish would at least appoint an independent arbiter for the appeal.

He thinks he did with Henderson

 

[Nightman]

This is a very likely scenario. I can easily see this happening.

In Kessler we Trust

He is the best lawyer EE could hope for with this venue

#FRzEkE 21
#frEE21

 

[Cowboys22]

This is how it will go--- Zeke team will file injunction and it will drag out allowing Zeke to play this season..then next year when court rules procedure was fair and Zeke has to sit out 6 games we will wish we did it this year and not wait...its always about the ammo we got to play with now!!

You might be absolutely correct but the team will have a year to be better prepared. The young defense will be better. They could draft another RB to help fill the void. The bottom line is that you or anyone else might say just do the six games and get it over with but you aren't the one rolling over and being branded a woman beater for life. Step into his shoes and your perception totally changes.

 

[bsbellomy]

Im not quite sure what this means. Head start to what? They can't headoff a attempt at an injunction. They will deny the appeal and wait until an injunction ruling before they can do anything legally.

I thinks he means they can control the venue. I believe the NFLPA thinks based upon the results of the Brady case there would be more favorable venues to file their motion.

 

[yimyammer]

The only fly in the ointment are the alleged texts sent to her mother.

What texts are these?

 

[Kevinicus]

I agree. I don't think this is anything like the Brady case. I think Zeke has a totally different argument here. Brady was uncooperative with the investigation and withheld or destroyed evidence.

None of that was relevant to the ruling in the Brady case.

Brady's case was never looked at on a criminal level and dismissed either. While Zeke may argue a bit on the authority of the league to do this, which everyone knows they do, Zeke's argument will be on the evidence of the assault on hand and the ability of the NFL to call and charge him a woman beater when the LAW does not!

None of that is relevant to Zeke's case. They follow the law, not what people think is right.

 

[Plankton]

If I send a text that says EE beat me up last night that is not evidence..... it is an accusation

The accusation is not 'metadata' .......... bruises are not evidence EE beat me........ especially when I was witnessed by Police getting into a fistfight with another woman...... EE cannot prove a negative....... he cannot be asked to prove how TT got her bruises........ that is absurd

Just because the NFL says they can punish players that aren't even charged that doesn't make it OK.....CBA or not.......... that is what the Courts have to decide....... especially since the NFLPA never ratified that policy

If the picture was attached to that text, and shows that it was sent in the same time frame as referenced, it could bolster her case.

And, I don't think that the case and results in this matter is just. This is clearly a PR witch hunt to placate women's groups. It's just another thing to consider in all of this.

 

[aikemirv]

None of that was relevant to the ruling in the Brady case.



None of that is relevant to Zeke's case. They follow the law, not what people think is right.

I kind of disagree based on what I read of the ruling the court issued in the case. Fundamental fairness was brought up and the court felt that fundamental fairness was applied to Brady , they may not feel that way in this case. Also they brought up "conduct detrimental" Since Brady withheld evidence that could have proved his innocence or guilt, he could not argue against "conduct detrimental" Zeke has a distinct argument that he did not commit any detrimental conduct

 

[Plankton]

What texts are these?

Allegedly, Thompson sent her mother texts with some of the pictures attached in the same time frame that the alleged abuse took place.

 

[Nightman]

What texts are these?

TT was sending texts all week saying EE spent the night or cam over for sex and smacked her around

She sent texts on Tues, Weds and Thurs I think.... but she still showed up Friday at the club EE was at for his 21st Birthday Party to see him..... but that is where she got into a fist fight with another girl at the party

She then went to where the after party was and started trouble...... that is when she called the cops after threatening to ruin his career

The NFL said they disregarded everything that happened on Friday that made TT look like a lying deranged stalker but believed everything else TT said about Tues, Weds and Thurs....very conveniently since there are no witnesses for those dates...... instead they insisted EE prove he didn't cause those bruises..... like the Salem Witch trials......... prove you aren't a witch by drowning

 

[yimyammer]

Allegedly, Thompson sent her mother texts with some of the pictures attached in the same time frame that the alleged abuse took place.

thank you

 

[Kevinicus]

I kind of disagree based on what I read of the ruling the court issued in the case. Fundamental fairness was brought up and the court felt that fundamental fairness was applied to Brady , they may not feel that way in this case. Also they brought up "conduct detrimental" Since Brady withheld evidence that could have proved his innocence or guilt, he could not argue against "conduct detrimental" Zeke has a distinct argument that he did not commit any detrimental conduct

No, they ruled they were not to judge whether the nfl made a correct determination.

And fairness is an issue, but nothing you mentioned falls in that area. Thinking there is no evidence is not an issue of fairness. Improperly followimg procedures would be. Possibly treating other players differently could be as well. The question of whether or not he did it, or if it's likely or even possible will be irrelevant in court.

 

[windward]

The courts have already ruled essentially that Zeke is exonerated based on lack of evidence. He's not in jail. It's over.

The case now is about whether the NFL can suspend him based on the requirements and provisions of the CBA.

It can.

It is not as cut and dry as you think it is.

 

[erod]

It is not as cut and dry as you think it is.

Actually, the case is as far as the CBA is concerned.

But if they can get an injunction, they can spend a year waging a PR war against the NFL and trashing Tiffany Thompson as a lying, money-grubbing coke *****.

Did he hit her? Only those two know. What does your gut say?

 

[csirl]

For the techies out there.

I assume the phone data can determine time and location of texts etc.? The location being important in this case.

Zeke's phone data should be able to say where he was at all times? Has he volunteered this information?

Is Zeke is battling against evidence putting him in the same location as contemporary injuries and texted photos?

 

[haleyrules]

...I wish the Commish would at least appoint an independent arbiter for the appeal.

Ole Goodell did more or less stay directly out of the incident.