Another Parcells Team fails in the post season.

[Rogah]

It was built into his contract that if the current owner, who he likes very much, sold the team...Parcells could opt to leave and STILL get paid.

He chose not to.

I don't think that's accurate. I certainly may be mistaken, but AFAIK the sale of the Dolphins has not yet been finalized and so the 30-day opt out period for Parcells hasn't even begun yet.

Everything I know about Parcells tells me he is going to take that opt out. He will collect $8 million and then be a completely unrestricted free agent (for lack of a better term). Even if he wanted to stay in Miami, he would probably take the $8 million and then negotiate a new contract with tremendous leverage.

 

[Extreme]

This guy hasn't won anything without Little Bill.

What a joke. Little Bill is 52-60 without Brady, and hasn't won anything without him. What's your point?

At least Parcells still has some division titles and playoff wins without him, and a winning record. Without Parcells or Brady, Belichick has never done anything. He gets too much credit for lucking out with Tom Brady.

Think about it.....without Brady, Belichick wouldn't even be the Patriots coach anymore. He sucked before Brady, and he still can't do anything without him.

 

[Rack]

The hatred and jealousy some have for BP amuses me.

Agreed.

Like I have pointed out the BP haters want you to be stupid enough to forget what he did with the Pats and the Jets; acting like that never happened. Pretty pathetic.

Don't forget the Giants. The Giants were crap before he took over.

Every team he's taken over was crap before he got there.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Ahhh the jealousy.

 

[Hostile]

I don't think that's accurate. I certainly may be mistaken, but AFAIK the sale of the Dolphins has not yet been finalized and so the 30-day opt out period for Parcells hasn't even begun yet.

Everything I know about Parcells tells me he is going to take that opt out. He will collect $8 million and then be a completely unrestricted free agent (for lack of a better term). Even if he wanted to stay in Miami, he would probably take the $8 million and then negotiate a new contract with tremendous leverage.

Actually, that was accurate.

 

[Rogah]

What a joke. Little Bill is 52-60 without Brady, and hasn't won anything without him. What's your point?

At least Parcells still has some division titles and playoff wins without him, and a winning record. Without Parcells or Brady, Belichick has never done anything. He gets too much credit for lucking out with Tom Brady.

For the record, Belichick has as many playoff wins without Brady as Parcells does without Belichick: 1. In fact, FWIW, Belichick's playoff victory was against Parcells.

 

[Extreme]

For the record, Belichick has as many playoff wins without Brady as Parcells does without Belichick: 1. In fact, FWIW, Belichick's playoff victory was against Parcells.

Even so, how can everyone give Belichick the credit, but not Parcells? Fact is, without each other they both suck.

Also, Belichick inherited a Parcells team and had success with them. He sucked in Cleveland without Parcells, but Parcells has pulled a few teams out of the gutter. He is actually proven to be better at that than anyone in NFL history.

Nobody else could ever have turned a 1-15 loser into an 11-5 division winner in a year.

 

[Rogah]

Even so, how can everyone give Belichick the credit, but not Parcells? Fact is, without each other they both suck.

Without Parcells, Belichick has won 4 conference championships and 3 Super Bowls. I wish Wade Phillips "sucked" so badly.

Also, Belichick inherited a Parcells team and had success with them.

If you mean the Patriots, then Belichick actually inherited them from Pete Carroll. There were few ties to the Parells team remaining. Drew Bledsoe, Willie McGinest, Adam Vinatieri, Tedy Bruschi and Ty Law come to mind, but I can't think of anyone else.

He sucked in Cleveland without Parcells, but Parcells has pulled a few teams out of the gutter. He is actually proven to be better at that than anyone in NFL history.

Nobody else could ever have turned a 1-15 loser into an 11-5 division winner in a year.

I've always believed it is easier to turn a 1-15 team into a 10-6 team (with a first round playoff exit) than it is to turn a 10-6 team into a Super Bowl Champion. Parcells has done the former 4 times, 3 times without Belichick and once with him. But he's never done the latter on his own.

I think Parcells is a master motivator, but he just isn't an X's and O's guy. And the reality is that in the modern day NFL, you need an X's and O's guy somewhere on the staff. In something like 10 years without Bill Belichick, he has won 1 playoff game.

 

[burmafrd]

Frankly you have to question Little Bills competence at X and O just as much as you do BP's. BP without his coordinators and now Little Bill without Weis and Crennel. You also somehow seem to forget that BP has gone to different organizations with different staffs at each one - while Little Bill has only gone to two and only had success at one. AND his success has gotten less since his first staff left.

 

[Hostile]

Frankly you have to question Little Bills competence at X and O just as much as you do BP's. BP without his coordinators and now Little Bill without Weis and Crennel. You also somehow seem to forget that BP has gone to different organizations with different staffs at each one - while Little Bill has only gone to two and only had success at one. AND his success has gotten less since his first staff left.

Little Bill came within 35 seconds of a feat Big Bill has never been close to. And he did it without Romeo and Weis.

In fact, Weis and Crennel both left after 2004.

2005...10-6, 1-1 in the Post Season
2006...12-4, 2-1 in the Post Season
2007...16-0, 2-1 in the Post Season
2008...11-5

49-15, .766 winning %, 5-3 in the post season. Without Crennel & Weis.


Belicheck left for the Browns in 1991 through 1995. He rejoined the Patriots & Parcells in 1996. Parcells did not coach in 1991 & 1992. So let's look at 1993 - 1995 for Parcells.

1993...5-11
1994...10-6, 0-1 in the Post Season
1995...6-10

1996 Little Bill is back and the Patriots make it to the Super Bowl. Hmmmmm.

Then Big Bill was out of coaching until 2003-2006 with us.

2003...10-6, 0-1 in the Post Season
2004...6-10
2005...9-7
2006...9-7, 0-1 in the Post Season

That means 55-57 overall and 0-3 in the post season.

Little Bill > Big Bill

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Even so, how can everyone give Belichick the credit, but not Parcells? Fact is, without each other they both suck.

Also, Belichick inherited a Parcells team and had success with them. He sucked in Cleveland without Parcells, but Parcells has pulled a few teams out of the gutter. He is actually proven to be better at that than anyone in NFL history.

Nobody else could ever have turned a 1-15 loser into an 11-5 division winner in a year.

Probably for the same reason that Jimmy fans refuse to admit that Jimmy wasn't Jimmy without Jerry.

They like to point out how Jerry sucks without Jimmy but they refuse to admit the same thing the other way.

This is another case just like that.

 

[burmafrd]

Hos I notice how you miss this little fact: with Weis and Crennel Little Bill has 3 rings. Without them he has none.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Little Bill came within 35 seconds of a feat Big Bill has never been close to. And he did it without Romeo and Weis.

In fact, Weis and Crennel both left after 2004.

2005...10-6, 1-1 in the Post Season
2006...12-4, 2-1 in the Post Season
2007...16-0, 2-1 in the Post Season
2008...11-5

49-15, .766 winning %, 5-3 in the post season. Without Crennel & Weis.


Belicheck left for the Browns in 1991 through 1995. He rejoined the Patriots & Parcells in 1996. Parcells did not coach in 1991 & 1992. So let's look at 1993 - 1995 for Parcells.

1993...5-11
1994...10-6, 0-1 in the Post Season
1995...6-10

1996 Little Bill is back and the Patriots make it to the Super Bowl. Hmmmmm.

Then Big Bill was out of coaching until 2003-2006 with us.

2003...10-6, 0-1 in the Post Season
2004...6-10
2005...9-7
2006...9-7, 0-1 in the Post Season

That means 55-57 overall and 0-3 in the post season.

Little Bill > Big Bill

Great post.

Parcells without Belichick is average at best.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Hos I notice how you miss this little fact: with Weis and Crennel Little Bill has 3 rings. Without them he has none.

This would hold water if Weis or Crennel had an ounce of success as head coaches themselves. They haven't.

The fact remains, Little Bill has won three Championships and a littany of playoff games as a head coach, without Parcells.

Parcells on the flip side, hasn't won a playoff game, let alone any Championships, without Little Bill on his staff.

You can remain blind to that if you so choose, but thats hardly relevant. Facts are facts.

When Parcells gets inducted into the Hall of Fame, his induction speech should consist of four words: "Thank you Bill Belichick."

 

[burmafrd]

Facts are facts- Bellicek without Weis or Crennel has not won a ring. With them he won 3. You can try and hide all you want but that is the hard truth. And so what if Weis and Crennel stink as HCs- does not take away what they accomplished as coordinators. Your so called facts are a joke if you think what they did later means anything to what they accomplished with NE.

 

[Hostile]

Hos I notice how you miss this little fact: with Weis and Crennel Little Bill has 3 rings. Without them he has none.

Burm I notice you miss this big fact. Without them he still wins in the post season, has a .766 winning % and still came within 35 seconds of accomplishing that which you seem to think is impossible without them.

Meanwhile Big Bill is below .500 and hasn't won a playoff game without Little Bill. Not one single solitary post season game.


Little Bill...3 rings

Big Bill...2 rings


In every way, shape, and form Little Bill is a superior coach to Big Bill. It isn't even close.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Burm I notice you miss this big fact. Without them he still wins in the post season, has a .766 winning % and still came within 35 seconds of accomplishing that which you seem to think is impossible without them.

Meanwhile Big Bill is below .500 and hasn't won a playoff game without Little Bill. Not one single solitary post season game.


Little Bill...3 rings

Big Bill...2 rings


In every way, shape, and form Little Bill is a superior coach to Big Bill. It isn't even close.

I think you just pwnt him.

:laugh2:

 

[Hostile]

I think you just pwnt him.

:laugh2:

If he chooses to continue this beat down the only thing left will be the faded chalk outline on the sidewalk.

 

[Rack]

Little Bill > Big Bill

At turning bad teams into competitive teams, NO ONE is better then Parcells.

Period.

 

[Hostile]

At turning bad teams into competitive teams, NO ONE is better then Parcells.

Period.

You own the Lions. You can hire Belichick or Parcells. Both want the job. Both are the same age. Both have their current resume'.

Who gets the job?