Another WR Option

[links18]

Other than the fact they have both worn the 49er uniform, they are nothing alike. Lloyd had a bad mental makeup. Battle lives up to his namesake. He is a self-made player who works.

I was joking, but Battle does seem like the type of player Snyder would trade 2 first day picks for: a solid but not spectacular player that they think will be a star in their system.

 

[Alexander]

Do you recognize that taking 100+ pass attempts to amass 600 yards is terrible?

Yes, and if football was played in a vacuum with all things constant, I'd say it matters. It isn't and your point is fairly weak. I could take YPA averages and somehow devise a way to say that Wes Welker was the third best WR in football or that Bobby Engram was better than Larry Fitzgerald or Braylon Edwards.

I have a great idea. Let's see how well a player Amendola does with the likes of Alex Smith, Trent Dilfer and Shawn Hill throwing to him.

Julius Jones has proven he can "actually play" in the NFL. Should we have kept him instead of drafting Felix and Tashard? Of course not.

That isn't even the comparison. We are talking about a viable option who could compete with Crayton and is likely to be available.

Don't be an idiot.

Interesting advice coming from you. I suppose I could just follow your brilliant example and use silly statistics to justify thinking that Danny Amendola is a legitimate talent without seeing him take a single NFL snap.

 

[NextGenBoys]

I'll pass on Battle.

Crayton will be a very solid option this upcoming year. Mark my words.

 

[links18]

Interesting advice coming from you. I suppose I could just follow your brilliant example and use silly statistics to justify thinking that Danny Amendola is a legitimate talent without seeing him take a single NFL snap.[/QUOTE]

I know the original poster was only using Amendola to make a point, but I can't understand all the hype over him as if he was going to be a savior at the WR position. Well, I guess I understand: he reminds people of Welker, so they think he must be the second coming of Welker. In my opinion, anyone banking on Austin, Hurd, Stanback or Amendola to be anything more than contributing players is going to be disappointed. In fact, at least one, if not more, of these guys will not even make the team. Funny how since the media has hyped Austin lately, we have heard less and less about how Stanback will be the savior. Yes this is the same Austin who dropped two TD passes at FedEx in December. The #2 WR this year will likely be Glenn, Crayton or someone not yet on the roster.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I personally like what Dallas has on the team more than Battle... I believe Austin, Stanback and Hurd will further develop in training camp.

 

[Hostile]

I don't really see Battle as a #2 WR. I don't dislike him. I agree about him as a blocker.

If we make a move at WR other than to bring back Terry Glenn, I think it will be of the "pipe dream" variety. Also known as "wow."

JMO.

 

[theogt]

Yes, and if football was played in a vacuum with all things constant, I'd say it matters. It isn't and your point is fairly weak. I could take YPA averages and somehow devise a way to say that Wes Welker was the third best WR in football or that Bobby Engram was better than Larry Fitzgerald or Braylon Edwards.

Ah yes, the "football is too complicated to use statistics" line. The problem is that this only comes out when the statistics aren't in your favor. And here, they clearly show that he's a poor receiver, even considering his QB.

The bottom line is that many statistics have a remarkably high correlation with success on offense and defense and with winning percentage, so whether you like them or not, they're meaningful.

I have a great idea. Let's see how well a player Amendola does with the likes of Alex Smith, Trent Dilfer and Shawn Hill throwing to him.

And like I said, the chances are he wouldn't do much worse.

That isn't even the comparison. We are talking about a viable option who could compete with Crayton and is likely to be available.

Your ONLY point is that because he's played in a game in the NFL, he must be better. That is your only point. There is no other point. It's all you have. It's stupid. Remarkably stupid. If you said "he's played in an NFL game and he's been productive" you might have a point. But he hasn't been productive. He's likely one of the worst receivers to ever have 100 passes targeted at him.

Interesting advice coming from you. I suppose I could just follow your brilliant example and use silly statistics to justify thinking that Danny Amendola is a legitimate talent without seeing him take a single NFL snap.

Yes, you can certainly look at his college play and assume that he could likely meet the bare minimum level of production in the NFL.

 

[superpunk]

I have a great idea. Let's see how well a player Amendola does with the likes of Alex Smith, Trent Dilfer and Shawn Hill throwing to him.

This is the same thing Commanders fans tried to say about Brandon Lloyd.

Good players are good players. Battle has had some flashes and spurts here and there, but in reality, the numbers aren't lying here. He wouldn't represent any sort of upgrade to anything we've really got here - unless we are actively pursuing a replacement for Amendola, which seems unlikely.

 

[Biggems]

Battle is a waste of space. Sorry, but he is getting paid a nice sum of money and is a veteran. Act like a pro, suck it up, and do his job. Stop acting like a spoiled brat, and creating drama just cause he didn't get what he wanted. He has done little to nothing in his career to be acting like a prima donna. I can accept Chad, TO, or Moss acting this way, cause they have done some legitimate things of consequence in this league. Battle is a nobody who is displaying a crappy attitude. I don't want that nonsense in Dallas. He can keep his disgruntled act in the SF lockerroom....I hope it disrupts and helps to tear that team apart.

 

[JonJon]

This is exactly what I am speaking of in terms of overrating our players.

What has Amendola done again? Battle has started games and has produced.

Haven't you heard? Amendola is Welker's clone. Therefor, he had 112 receptions for 1,175 yards and 8 TD's last year. I'm just glad no other team recognized this and drafted him.

But seriously, I wouldn't be opposed to getting Battle. It wouldn't necessarily excite me either. I'm not certain he is any better than Crayton at this point. One thing is for certain; he is better than Joe Horn.

 

[jobberone]

I understand the cry for a #2-3 WR but we aren't the only team short on talent at the top obviously not discussing TO here.

Although I'm absolutely stone cold certain we will keep getting these kinds of threads, we are going to have to wait and see what develops. Maybe I'm just an ole fart but wishful thinking isn't doing to get us much despite the fact I'm there with most of the rest of you.

TG is the answer if he can play. No one is counting on him but there just any other options. As someone else would say, you just can't call Dial-a-WR and get yourself a number 2 or 3. The other answers may just be here. If Austin and Stanback can give us some games, perhaps contributing when the other isn't, Crayton steps it up a little, and TG is able to play then we have enough fire power to score 25-30 points a game on average. Esp with the D we should field. JMO on another type of wishful thinking.

 

[JonJon]

Another possible WR option could be Josh Reed of the Buffalo Bills. Depending on how quickly rookie James Hardy develops, Reed could become expendable.

Hardy is already pushing for the #2 WR job alongside Lee Evans per camp reports. Reed has missed time due to injuries so I could see the Bills trading him and sliding Roscoe Perrish to the #3 spot.

I would send a 4th or 5th to the Bills for Reed. I doubt it happens though but it is another option worth considering.

 

[dcfanatic]

Patrick Crayton is way better than Arnez battle.

I am Notre Dame fan so I am familiar with him.

He's not as 'shifty' as Crayton IMO.

 

[Alexander]

Haven't you heard? Amendola is Welker's clone. Therefor, he had 112 receptions for 1,175 yards and 8 TD's last year. I'm just glad no other team recognized this and drafted him.

It is amazing how fortunate we are. Romo and Amendola in the same decade! How fortunate are we?

But seriously, I wouldn't be opposed to getting Battle. It wouldn't necessarily excite me either. I'm not certain he is any better than Crayton at this point. One thing is for certain; he is better than Joe Horn.

That is what I am talking about. Veteran competition that actually might have some upside. Despite what you have read in this thread, he has it.

 

[burmafrd]

As a ND homer I am always a fan of Battle since he won a couple of games for us with big plays. Even started and won a game as QB. He is a GREAT blocker for a WR, maybe better then Key. And he has very sure hands- 2007 was a bad year but he was never that bad before- so that is always a consideration. Honestly if we did not have Crayton I would be beating the drum for getting him. As long as Crayton does not go head spacey, or stops dropping the ball and quiting on routes in big games, we keep him. And getting Battle would not really gain us all that much.

 

[theogt]

Right, because saying Amendola could be at least as productive as Battle is like saying he's a pro-bowler. How many of those have Battle been to now?

zOMG!111 Battle is our saviorz!!!!

Yup, sounds stupid when I exaggerate as well.

 

[Alexander]

Right, because saying Amendola could be at least as productive as Battle is like saying he's a pro-bowler. How many of those have Battle been to now?

zOMG!111 Battle is our saviorz!!!!

Yup, sounds stupid when I exaggerate as well.

Nicely done, but it doesn't make your point any less ignorant. Nor did I say a thing about him being a savior. It was a simple suggestion, one you choose to ridicule and throw out your own idiotic theories involving a mini-camp wonder.

I will put it right here on the line. Danny Amendola will not amount to a thing in the NFL. much less fulfill the Wes Welker visions dancing in people's heads.

 

[theogt]

Nicely done, but it doesn't make your point any less ignorant.

Right, because looking at a player's actual production is an ignorant way of measuring his future performance.

Good one.

Nor did I say a thing about him being a savior. It was a simple suggestion, one you choose to ridicule and throw out your own idiotic theories involving a mini-camp wonder.

Actually, I didn't ridicule it. I stated that he's flashed potential in the past and then said that he's likely not an upgrade because he's never realized his potential and has not been productive in the NFL.

I will put it right here on the line. Danny Amendola will not amount to a thing in the NFL. much less fulfill the Wes Welker visions dancing in people's heads.

Way to go out on a limb, stating that an UDFA will not amount to anything.

I'll go out on another limb. Battle will never amount to anything in the NFL.

 

[dbair1967]

There is still an idea around that we will go after a veteran WR of some kind soon.

Roy Williams, Chad Johnson and Anquan Boldin are mere pipe dreams. They would cost too much and I don't see them fitting very well. Plus, they are very important pieces of their team's plans. They aren't going to be given away, contract issues or pouting aside.

So what other options are there? To me, there is only one other veteran who might be capable of beating out Crayton that might be available.

Arnaz Battle.

I don't know how much anyone has watched him, but he is a very underrated player who is perhaps the best blocking WR you have never heard of.

He has historically had very sure hands (no drops in 2006 but had a horrible 2007). He had a terrible year last season and has skipped some OTAs for them as he appears destined for the third spot. With Mike Martz on board and a group that includes Issac Bruce, Bryant Johnson, Jason Hill, Josh Morgan, Ashley Lelie and two solid TEs in Vernon Davis and Delanie Walker, will there be enough balls to go around?

He is reportedly not happy he's not getting the chance to fight for his starting job with Bryant Johnson a favorite of new WR coach Jerry Sullivan and Nolan is not happy with his decision to skip workouts. He is most certainly worth a shot.

Plus, he does call Dallas home.

No thanks...Crayton is significantly better than he is

David

 

[CrazyCowboy]

bring him in cheap!