Anthony Spencer

[adbutcher]

At this rate we will miss our goal of fielding a team of 53 all pro players. Spencer is on track and he will only get better with more experience.

 

[Rack]

At this rate we will miss our goal of fielding a team of 53 all pro players. Spencer is on track and he will only get better with more experience.

A little over dramatic, don't you think?

No one is worried Spencer will or won't be an all pro. We just hope he does well enough to not give up huge runs or passes, and gets decent pressure on the QB.

 

[Bach]

If Spencer doesn't start at all this year, it's still to early to say he's a bad pick.

This year will be too early.

But then again, for some, as long as a player is on the roster it's always too early.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

He looks fine and is progressing just fine.

Super Analysis!

 

[theogt]

Super Analysis!

It's all there is to say about it really.

 

[adbutcher]

A little over dramatic, don't you think?

No one is worried Spencer will or won't be an all pro. We just hope he does well enough to not give up huge runs or passes, and gets decent pressure on the QB.

Hardly.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

It's all there is to say about it really.

Agreed..

He will be fine.

He was drafted to replace a lack of a pass rush from Singleton/Carpenter and a questionable Greg Ellis. he can rush the passer, its just adusting to coverages and not rushing from having his hand down.

 

[dallasfan]

It would seem to be a built in advantage for recruiting. Pipeline to the NFL, using a defense that at 1/4 of the league uses at least occasionally.

But the other schools use the defense that 3/4 of the NFL use, so where's the advantage. If I'm a DE, I wanna play on the d-line in college, cause ends tend to get more sacks, and if I have pro aspirations, this will get me noticed more.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

But the other schools use the defense that 3/4 of the NFL use, so where's the advantage. If I'm a DE, I wanna play on the d-line in college, cause ends tend to get more sacks, and if I have pro aspirations, this will get me noticed more.

It's much easier to make the transition from 3-4 to 4-3 for players except for ILB.

Most 3-4 DEs would be 4-3 DTs so they wouldn't post huge numbers either way. 3-4 OLBs are going to post better numbers than either 4-3 DE or OLBs if posting numbers that grab attention is the only thing recruits are looking at and no one looks at a NT's numbers.

 

[dallasfan]

3-4 OLBs are going to post better numbers than either 4-3 DE

I disagree. If you're a 3-4 OLB you may rush most of the time, but you'll still have coverage responsibilities. If you're a DE, especially at the college level, you're gonna rush every play. Yeah you can disguise you're rush, which may make the overall pass rush more effective, still doesn't give you more opportunities than a 4-3 end.

 

[TheCount]

Agreed about Ware. I don't get why people expect Spencer to be able to adjust so fast.

One thing I hope happens from picking Carpenter and Spencer is that if they both don't work out (which honestly is a possibility) we will draft players for certain positions THAT THEY PLAYED IN COLLEGE. Stanback anybody? Spencer is a 4-3 DE, and Carpenter is a OLB. Stanback was a qb in college. Point is the chance of busting would be less if we draft for positions that players we pick actually played in college and had prior experience.

Oh man, you have no idea how much I'm with you on that one.

 

[conner01]

he's ready to rush the passer but the other things will take time.it's a new position. as a situational pass rusher he will be fine and in time the rest of the game will slow down for him and he should be fine.everyone is not an instant star and very few are like ware and merriman. they are very good players and caught on early.thats not the norm though

 

[Rack]

It's much easier to make the transition from 3-4 to 4-3 for players except for ILB.

Most 3-4 DEs would be 4-3 DTs so they wouldn't post huge numbers either way. 3-4 OLBs are going to post better numbers than either 4-3 DE or OLBs if posting numbers that grab attention is the only thing recruits are looking at and no one looks at a NT's numbers.

I disagree. If you're a 3-4 OLB you may rush most of the time, but you'll still have coverage responsibilities. If you're a DE, especially at the college level, you're gonna rush every play. Yeah you can disguise you're rush, which may make the overall pass rush more effective, still doesn't give you more opportunities than a 4-3 end.

to the second quote.

 

[TheCount]

I disagree. If you're a 3-4 OLB you may rush most of the time, but you'll still have coverage responsibilities. If you're a DE, especially at the college level, you're gonna rush every play. Yeah you can disguise you're rush, which may make the overall pass rush more effective, still doesn't give you more opportunities than a 4-3 end.

Well that was what was supposed to make Spencer different, he had almost 100 tackles, and they weren't all sacks, so you'd expect he wasn't just rushing the QB every play, he actually played the run well so all he would have to add to his game is coverage.

Clearly, it's not that simple.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

I disagree. If you're a 3-4 OLB you may rush most of the time, but you'll still have coverage responsibilities. If you're a DE, especially at the college level, you're gonna rush every play. Yeah you can disguise you're rush, which may make the overall pass rush more effective, still doesn't give you more opportunities than a 4-3 end.

4-3 DE's can be gameplanned for much more than 3-4 OLBs. Committing a TE or RB to help the OT with a static DE is doable. Gameplanning for a more easily moved OLB is expotentially more difficult given the limited practice time for college players.

BTW, when you have Rack agreeing with your argument you know it's time to rethink because you're usually on the wrong side.

 

[Rack]

4-3 DE's can be gameplanned for much more than 3-4 OLBs. Committing a TE or RB to help the OT with a static DE is doable. Gameplanning for a more easily moved OLB is expotentially more difficult given the limited practice time for college players.

BTW, when you have Rack agreeing with your argument you know it's time to rethink because you're usually on the wrong side.

The fact that you feel that way shows why you're probably wrong so often.


If you stopped hating, and started paying attention... you just might learn something.


And now on to your schooling...


Here's a list of the top 10 leaders in sacks last year:

Shawne Merriman: 17

Aaron Kampman: 15.5

Aaron Schobel: 14

Jason Taylor: 13.5

Leonard Little: 13

Julius Peppers: 13

Trevor Price: 13

Mark Anderson: 12

Shaun Phillips: 11.5

Demarcus Ware: 11.5



How many of those are DEs and how many are OLBs?

7 DEs, 3 OLBs


Yet, the 3-4 OLBs get "more stats" huh?


Who's on the wrong side again? That would be you?


Shall I continue?

Here's 11-20:

Derrick Burgess

Adalius Thomas

Kamerion Wimberly

Robert Geathers

Will Smith

Bobby McCray

Julian Peterson

Warren Sapp

Robert Mathis

Bart Scott


3 OLBs, 1 DT, 7 DEs. And of those OLBs, only 2 of them are 3-4 OLBs (and that's only part time)


Want me to continue? I can do other seasons too.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

The fact that you feel that way shows why you're probably wrong so often.


If you stopped hating, and started paying attention... you just might learn something.


And now on to your schooling...


Here's a list of the top 10 leaders in sacks last year:

Shawne Merriman: 17

Aaron Kampman: 15.5

Aaron Schobel: 14

Jason Taylor: 13.5

Leonard Little: 13

Julius Peppers: 13

Trevor Price: 13

Mark Anderson: 12

Shaun Phillips: 11.5

Demarcus Ware: 11.5



How many of those are DEs and how many are OLBs?

7 DEs, 3 OLBs


Yet, the 3-4 OLBs get "more stats" huh?


Who's on the wrong side again? That would be you?


Shall I continue?

Here's 11-20:

Derrick Burgess

Adalius Thomas

Kamerion Wimberly

Robert Geathers

Will Smith

Bobby McCray

Julian Peterson

Warren Sapp

Robert Mathis

Bart Scott


3 OLBs, 1 DT, 7 DEs. And of those OLBs, only 2 of them are 3-4 OLBs (and that's only part time)


Want me to continue? I can do other seasons too.

For the love of all that's holy, please pretty please, tell me that you do understand that you cannot use professional stats to prove college arguments and vice versa. :bang2:

You also understand that "sacks" and "numbers" are two entirely different words and have different meanings right?


No wonder you've become the virtual pinata around here.

You'd argue it didn't snow as you were shoveling your driveway.

 

[Rack]

For the love of all that's holy, please pretty please, tell me that you do understand that you cannot use professional stats to prove college arguments and vice versa. :bang2:

You also understand that "sacks" and "numbers" are two entirely different words and have different meanings right?


No wonder you've become the virtual pinata around here.

You'd argue it didn't snow as you were shoveling your driveway.

1. Please, you know darn well you were referring to getting to the QB.

2. Virtual Pinata? WTH are you talking about?

3. I just proved a point. Take your beating like a man and move on.

 

[Garret]

Of course there will be more 4-3 ends on the top of the sack total because the majority of the teams run a 4-3 good try though. Also there are 4 OLB's on yout list, ur boy Taylor plays OLB now.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Why dont we just draft players that know the position already?makes no sense.

because when he learns the position, he's going to be a monster, he's a heck of a pass-rusher already, just needs to learn how to play LB

btw, guess all that talk that Spencer was ahead of Ware as a LB as a rookie was just that...talk