Any rumors with respect to our new DC?

[cowboyjoe]

me too would love manusky here, that way if you fire wade during the middle of the year, (I dont think that will happen though, best i remember jerry jones has never fired a head coach during the year of the football season from september to december).

but that way, say wade left in 2010, you can get a good defensive coordinator and have him in place here for shanahan or gruden. Either one of those coaches here as head coach, I would be happy.

I dont want garrett or Holgebrom though, and i dont really want wade as the head coach here now,

 

[skinsscalper]

Which is why I said Reggie Herring or Greg Manusky. I'd love to have Manusky. I wanted him to come with Wade from that staff.

Sounds good in theory, but I think the realistic chances of him coming here are slim. Singletary is gonna need all the help he can get. After watching Stewart get thrown under the bus here in Dallas (and rightfully so), I'm not so sure Manusky isn't comfortable right where he's at.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Manusky would be awesome. Please let that happen, somehow. Maybe if we offer him a ton more money (aren't the Niners owners now known to be cheap?) and Singletary is indifferent, they'd let him go. He'd be great because he knows Wade's system and he already has credibility as an established DC.

But odds of that happening have to be pretty long.

Maybe with Rivera taking over in SD and playing a little different style, we could now get Pagano?

Just please Gawd not the Poodle. Please.

 

[ctrous25]

Yeah, I get that angle, but it doesn't mean that he doesn't understand pressure or defense entirely. The whole 3-4, 4-3 debate didn't preclude Jim Bates from many people's list either. I'm not saying that Campo is our best option, I'm just saying that any Joe Schmoe that we bring in wouldn't be calling the plays either unless Wade gets fired mid-season (which I don't see happening) and there's no guarantee that the guy we bring in has ever had any experience calling plays in a 3-4 defense either, let alone Wade's 3-4.

The well is a little dry at 3-4 masterminds at this point.

No to Dave Campo as DC

 

[slotshot]

Are we pretty much counting out Todd Grantham?

Given that this coaching staff is going to be turned over next year with the hiring of a new coach, I would expect there to be little interest from outside candidates.

 

[90'sBoys]

Herring is staying. Oklahoma State hired a coach from Miami to be their DC.

My source at Oklahoma State said they are not sure why Herring waffled after his name surfaced.

I speculated that meant he was likely being offered the DC job here. The Campo rumors were pure stir up crap reports. Campo has 1 year of experience in a 3-4 and it isn't working with LBs and D-line.

I believe it will come down to him and Greg Manusky if we can pry him away from the 49ers.

Not to be sarcastic, but why would any legitimate coach want to come in here when the staff may be changed out next year? Especially if they are already employed on a stable staff now. I know I wouldn't.

The way I hear it is there still may be a shake up at the top. Wade dropping to the open DC spot and JG taking the top spot. That is why B Stewart was let go, when he was, so that would send a message to JG while he was interviewing in St. Louis that Jerry was willing to make the moves to change. Word is that JG did make some demands prior to interviewing the second time in St. Louis and there was an overture on St. Louis' part but JG couldn't come to terms at the last minute and wanted to come back to Dallas with the commitment from JJ on some of his terms.

Contrary to popular opinion Jerry does want JG to stay and would like for JG to be the HC here. The continuity he was speaking of had more to do with JG than Wade. He wants JG as HC with his offensive system and the 3-4 defense with Wade or whomever running the same version as they currently run. He wants that to be the system run here for the forseeable future. Same as what Pitt and Philly have done over time with their systems. (Continuity) Not just Wade per se.

Oh yeah....T.O. will be gone too whether it be right or wrong. Too many distractions.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I raid some of the Titan position coaches

 

[Chocolate Lab]

The way I hear it is there still may be a shake up at the top. Wade dropping to the open DC spot and JG taking the top spot. That is why B Stewart was let go, when he was, so that would send a message to JG while he was interviewing in St. Louis that Jerry was willing to make the moves to change. Word is that JG did make some demands prior to interviewing the second time in St. Louis and there was an overture on St. Louis' part but JG couldn't come to terms at the last minute and wanted to come back to Dallas with the commitment from JJ on some of his terms.

Contrary to popular opinion Jerry does want JG to stay and would like for JG to be the HC here. The continuity he was speaking of had more to do with JG than Wade. He wants JG as HC with his offensive system and the 3-4 defense with Wade or whomever running the same version as they currently run. He wants that to be the system run here for the forseeable future. Same as what Pitt and Philly have done over time with their systems. (Continuity) Not just Wade per se.

Oh yeah....T.O. will be gone too whether it be right or wrong. Too many distractions.

No offense, but where is this "word is" and "way I hear it" coming from?

Several sources have said that Jerry decided to fire Stewart right after the season, but Wade convinced him to hold off for a while to try to let Stew find another job.

I hope you're right about TO, though.

 

[BigBoy63]

Let Wade be DC, and sign Gruden or Shanahan.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Contrary to popular opinion Jerry does want JG to stay and would like for JG to be the HC here. The continuity he was speaking of had more to do with JG than Wade. He wants JG as HC with his offensive system and the 3-4 defense with Wade or whomever running the same version as they currently run. He wants that to be the system run here for the forseeable future. Same as what Pitt and Philly have done over time with their systems. (Continuity) Not just Wade per se.distractions.

Suppose that is the evil plan. Then that begs the question: Who would Jason Garrett want to be his long-term DC if he is Dallas' head coach? Or asked another way, who was Jason Garrett pegging for his DC when he was talking about taking over for the teams he recently interviewed with?

 

[90'sBoys]

No offense, but where is this "word is" and "way I hear it" coming from?

Several sources have said that Jerry decided to fire Stewart right after the season, but Wade convinced him to hold off for a while to try to let Stew find another job.

I hope you're right about TO, though.

Because I don't want to get into this whole source thing that is impossible to get past. Everyone is more worried about the messanger than the message.

Look, all I can tell you is that I came on here a week or so ago and told you about Romo being just as big of a distraction and divisive force in the locker room as T.O. I also stated that he was one of the "rats" that Newman was talking about. You all argued that there was no way Romo was the rat. I also told you the team was very down on him due to his poor practice habits and goof off attitude and you all scoffed. Now all of this is coming to light this past week. Coincidence???

I will say this as well. Why do you think that Romo is getting thrown under the bus now? Retalliation by coaches and some players? Who knows? Could be. What is the old saying "Don't throw rocks in a glass house?" He thought he was above the law (like T.O.) and would get out of his poor play by throwing other people under the bus and using his new wave philosophy to explain his failures after the last two seasons. Let me tell you it made more than one or two people mad at Valley Ranch. Now he is getting his just dues, to let YOU the public know what the real Romo is like. I mean who has knowledge of a meeting between a QB and OC after the season? And who would have knowledge of what was discussed in that meeting, like Garrett pointing out all of the reads Romo should have made that were not scheme problems. Or that he should have gotten rid of the ball sooner to check downs that were open but kept running around in the pocket and then subsequently fumbled,etc. You think Romo leaked that meeting information? Getting the drift???

 

[90'sBoys]

Suppose that is the evil plan. Then that begs the question: Who would Jason Garrett want to be his long-term DC if he is Dallas' head coach? Or asked another way, who was Jason Garrett pegging for his DC when he was talking about taking over for the teams he recently interviewed with?

Capers was the guy. Jerry's loyalty to Wade keeps him here another year. Capers takes Packers job after "thinking it over a week". Ask yourself what good firing B Stewart did last Friday? Why would you do it then and have no replacement in the forseeable future except in house candidates mentioned who have never coordinated the 3-4? Make sense to you? And noone is talking about it at all this week. All are on a gag order from Jerry.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Because I don't want to get into this whole source thing that is impossible to get past. Everyone is more worried about the messanger than the message.

Look, all I can tell you is that I came on here a week or so ago and told you about Romo being just as big of a distraction and divisive force in the locker room as T.O. I also stated that he was one of the "rats" that Newman was talking about. You all argued that there was no way Romo was the rat. I also told you the team was very down on him due to his poor practice habits and goof off attitude and you all scoffed. Now all of this is coming to light this past week. Coincidence???

I will say this as well. Why do you think that Romo is getting thrown under the bus now? Retalliation by coaches and some players? Who knows? Could be. What is the old saying "Don't throw rocks in a glass house?" He thought he was above the law (like T.O.) and would get out of his poor play by throwing other people under the bus and using his new wave philosophy to explain his failures after the last two seasons. Let me tell you it made more than one or two people mad at Valley Ranch. Now he is getting his just dues, to let YOU the public know what the real Romo is like. I mean who has knowledge of a meeting between a QB and OC after the season? And who would have knowledge of what was discussed in that meeting, like Garrett pointing out all of the reads Romo that were not scheme problems..Romo problems? You think Romo leaked that meeting information? Getting the drift???

Good points, so Garrett is as untrustworthy as the rest of them. I'll buy that.

Back to the DC question, if Garrett is to be the Cowboys eventual new head coach, then who would he want to be his long-term DC if he becomes head coach? Or asked another way, who was Jason Garrett pegging for his DC when he was talking about taking over for the teams he recently interviewed with?

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Capers was the guy. Jerry's loyalty to Wade keeps him here another year. Capers takes Packers job after "thinking it over a week". Ask yourself what good firing B Stewart did last Friday? Why would you do it then and have no replacement in the forseeable future except in house candidates mentioned who have never coordinated the 3-4? Make sense to you? And noone is talking about it at all this week. All are on a gag order from Jerry.

Yeah, i have a feeling it will be an in-house hire because everyone from the outside knows Phillips is here one more year only (probably). You don't bring in credible canditates from the outside under those circumstances. But in house is qualified? I love Campo, but as a 4-3 coach, not for the 3-4 he's never coached. Plus Campo is a good secondary coach and i want him there developing those young pups we drafted in 2008. So who else is there worthy to take over? Or does Phillips just do it himself in 2009 (another option I wouldn't be at all opposed to)?

 

[90'sBoys]

Good points, so Garrett is as untrustworthy as the rest of them. I'll buy that.

Back to the DC question, if Garrett is to be the Cowboys eventual new head coach, then who would he want to be his long-term DC if he becomes head coach? Or asked another way, who was Jason Garrett pegging for his DC when he was talking about taking over for the teams he recently interviewed with?

I don't think he is necessarily untrustworthy as much as he is tired of the being undermined by Romo and T.O. Somehow, someway the inmates have to stop running the asylumn. First and foremost the coaches have to get the power back. Public perception has to change about how the players are always right and the coaches are always wrong. Let's face it, the more that comes out about how immature,heartless and classless these players are, your perception of them changes. But unlike what you "think" about the coaches and their schemes etc. You are now getting backed up facts on how things really are at VR concerning the players, and now you will start holding them more accountable. Maybe no more free passes.

Bottom line though Jerry has to change on many levels. Some think he will. We'll see. I hope so.

As far as the DC, look at my response to your earlier post above.

 

[dbair1967]

I tend to think it'll be an in-house guy, if it ends up being someone from outside that could possibly be a clue that Jones thinks he may have to fire Wade at some point before the 2009 season is over.

If its an in-house guy its because Wade is going to call all the plays, as he should. The defensive was OBVIOUSLY better once Wade stripped Stewart of all his playcalling duties. No reason to waste half a season next yr, have Wade do it the whole time.

 

[CM Duck]

Donald Duck would be an upgrade from BS.

the sarcastic abuse DUCKS have been getting on this board here lately is uncalled for....

 

[Hostile]

I tend to think it'll be an in-house guy, if it ends up being someone from outside that could possibly be a clue that Jones thinks he may have to fire Wade at some point before the 2009 season is over.

If its an in-house guy its because Wade is going to call all the plays, as he should. The defensive was OBVIOUSLY better once Wade stripped Stewart of all his playcalling duties. No reason to waste half a season next yr, have Wade do it the whole time.

If it is an in-house guy it will be Herring. Which means we would still hire a LB Coach. Maybe they promote Dat. I don't know.

I still like Manusky best as an option.

 

[dbair1967]

I've seen a number of posts bashing Dave Campo as a potential DC, first off I dont believe he'll be DC, but if he were I'm not sure why so many think that would be so bad. Here's a refresher course in his years as DC:

1995- won super bowl...finished 3rd in pts allowed, 9th in yds allowed

1996- last season we won a playoff game..finished 3rd in pts allowed, 3rd in yds allowed

1997- Switzer's last season, a train wreck...finished 13th in pts allowed though, 2nd in yds allowed

1998- Gailey's fist yr...3rd in pts allowed, 18th in yds

1999 5th in pts allowed, 9th in yds

And we had ALOT of injuries almost yr in and yr out on defense while he was DC.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I don't want him to. I want a solid choice at DC in case we need to fire Wade mid season and hire Shanahan. I'd rather cover our bases than say "well, we can't fire him because we'd have no one to call the Defense."

Get me a DC.

Remember Grantham was the DC for the Browns. And he coached the 3-4. Not much of a stretch to assume he could call plays.

I've seen a number of posts bashing Dave Campo as a potential DC, first off I dont believe he'll be DC, but if he were I'm not sure why so many think that would be so bad. Here's a refresher course in his years as DC:

1995- won super bowl...finished 3rd in pts allowed, 9th in yds allowed

1996- last season we won a playoff game..finished 3rd in pts allowed, 3rd in yds allowed

1997- Switzer's last season, a train wreck...finished 13th in pts allowed though, 2nd in yds allowed

1998- Gailey's fist yr...3rd in pts allowed, 18th in yds

1999 5th in pts allowed, 9th in yds

And we had ALOT of injuries almost yr in and yr out on defense while he was DC.

dbair, for some it's not about him as a defensive mastermind, it's his tenure as a head coach.

folks just don't want him any closer to the big boy chair than he has to be.