Any suggestions on QB Coach for Romo?

[Big D]

Danny White.

Pure mechanism bordering on genius. But he had bad luck in critical games.

He'd be perfect for Romo in all aspects of the mechanics of throwing the ball.

That's not a bad idea at all. Especially with Danny proving to be a very good coach in the arena league. I would like to see more former cowboys players patrolling the sidelines anyway. We should have Bill Bates coaching special teams. Mike Irvin or Drew Pearson coaching the wr's. Although I am very happy about Dat being on staff I would like to see more of it.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Kitna is as much an INT machine, even more, than Romo. He also holds on to the ball way too long. What exactly is he going to teach Romo? It isn't as if Brad Johnson didn't have more experience than Kitna, and could provide his wealth of experience to Romo. The issue isn't about mechanics, it is about establishing rhythm and tempo on this offense, which is sorely lacking.

No it's about leadership. And ignore it or not, but Kitna is respected around the league for having it. And I saw it first hand in 2007 when I went to the Lions-Cowboys game in Detroit and saw the vast leadership that Kitna exhumed during pre-game warmups, and contrasted by the yuck-yuck attitude that Romo exhumed. In fact, I went into that game knowing just a little about Kitna, but wwalked away very impressed. Maybe it's because what you see live you can't always see on T.V.; but man, seeing Kitna live in action was quite impressive. In fact, after that game my friends and I were talkng more about how nice it would be to have someonel ike Kitna on the team, at least as a backup, and moreso about how the Cowboys pulled off the win.

Now as far as Romo is concerned, while Wade Wilson will still be around to coach Romo on mechanics, what Kitna will help teach Romo is how to elevate the "field-general" paret of his game - which is both behavioral and attitdinal, but in a very mature and serios way. And I know that first hand because I saw how engaging he was with all players of his team - obviously the offense, but even the defense and special teamers - during those pre-game reps. He was like a coach on the filed trying ot get everyone motivated and on-script for the upcoming contest. Man, while he was "loose" he was "all business" first. It really was impressive!!! And whether or not anyone wants to believe, or accept, that Kitna will help bring t5hat out of Romo, that IS exactly what I believe Kitna will bring to this table, and I for one am extatic about it.

 

[Arch Stanton]

I'd like David Lee, but it's unrealistic.

 

[Alexander]

What games were you watching? I saw countless times where Romo was on the sidelines looking at game-photo with Jason Garrett after INTs and busted plays. It was a constant staple last year. The fact is, Garrett was over his head because none of the issues were rectified.

Further, why does Wade have to do the job that is suppose to be Garrett's? Was Garrett made the highest paid OC in the league as well as Assistant head Coach?

A better question is what on earth does Wilson do? Shouldn't he be the one looking at Polaroids with Romo? Shouldn't he be the one down there in the middle of it, bending Romo's ear? Right now, I think actor David Keith was more visable on the sidelines holding headset wires back in the late 1990s than Wilson is.

The resume Wilson has is pretty pathetic. He's never had a success story. From Quincy Carter to Rex Grossman to Tony Romo. Romo is what he is today because of the attention paid to him by Coach Parcells and will attribute his development to David Lee. What I really don't see from him is a single peep about how he appreciates Wilson. Often a QB will speak glowingly about the QB coach as their sounding board (ala Aikman with Turner). I see absolutely nothing about Wilson. It makes you wonder what exactly he does and if he's effective at doing whatever it is. There certainly isn't anything tangible there. Romo has regressed and we certainly haven't seen a young talent get groomed.

 

[Alexander]

I'd like David Lee, but it's unrealistic.

Of course. He's in Miami doing things like help them roll out the Wildcat.

 

[Alexander]

Now as far as Romo is concerned, while Wade Wilson will still be around to coach Romo on mechanics,

You mean those mechanics that Romo spoke of last year with the intent to morph into Tom Brady? How successful was that and what genius cooked that up?

If we want to "Romo-friendly" things, how about getting a worthwhile QB coach in place?

It is one of the most underappreciated coaching positions on a team. And you can always tell who has a good one and who has well, a Wade Wilson.

what Kitna will help teach Romo is how to elevate the "field-general" paret of his game - which is both behavioral and attitdinal, but in a very mature and serios way.

If we have Kitna doing this, let's just pay him Wilson's salary. It sounds to me maturity and behavior is yet another thing a coach helps with. That's precisely what Aikman stated was one of Turner's first chores.

 

[khiladi]

He's never had a success story. From Quincy Carter to Rex Grossman to Tony Romo. Romo is what he is today because of the attention paid to him by Coach Parcells and will attribute his development to David Lee. .

And what has Garrett done? He was a QB coach with the Dolphins, coaching the likes of Harrington. The point is, Romo already has the tools, it is the offense that needs to cater to his talents.

 

[Alexander]

We should have Bill Bates coaching special teams.

No, we shouldn't. He failed miserably in Jacksonville running STs.

I am more than pleased to have an accomplished and respected coach like DeCamillis on board. Bates might be plucky and remembered for being a great story, but he was a horrible special teams coach.

Mike Irvin or Drew Pearson coaching the wr's. Although I am very happy about Dat being on staff I would like to see more of it.

No, we shouldn't. Just because a player can play doesn't mean they can coach. Irvin himself has stated he never had the temperment for it. Charles Haley was a great who tried to coach and wasn't successful. Eventually fans might get a grip and realize that their favorite players don't make the best coaches, no matter how fiery or motivational they were as players. That's a small percentage of the job.

Conversely, you have coaches who never played in the NFL who are among the all-time greats. Just because we remember a player fondly doesn't make them a good coach.

 

[khiladi]

You mean those mechanics that Romo spoke of last year with the intent to morph into Tom Brady? How successful was that and what genius cooked that up.

Wade Wilson was the QB coach in 2007, when Romo has his best year ever. Maybe it was Garrett, the more he got his hands in the offense and further, considering that the whole offense was suppose to be a 'timing-based' offense, where very little scrambling is utilized. Maybe Garrett wanted him to be like Troy Aikman, sitting in the pocket all day, very rarely scrambling. The problem is, Garrett's routes put too much pressure on the OL and Romo had to rely on his feet and it is no suprise, this offense moved much better when Romo's individual talents were utilized.

 

[Alexander]

And what has Garrett done? He was a QB coach with the Dolphins, coaching the likes of Harrington. The point is, Romo already has the tools, it is the offense that needs to cater to his talents.

Romo has enough maturity and decision-making issues that will always exist, above and beyond the offensive structure that a quality QB coach can help him with. This isn't an irrelevant Garrett bashing session. Will Garrett make him make better decisions, on and off the field? Will Garrett be a sounding board for him when he's frustrated? Garrett isn't Norv Turner. We know this. But he's not nearly the horrible impediment to Romo that you believe he is.

Take Brett Favre. He was pathetic in Atlanta. Completely pathetic. The Packers take him with Holmgren, Gruden and Reid and he's an All Timer. So basically you are saying Romo's fundamental flaws that were preexisting well before Garrett got here are not correctable and can be attributed to Garrett's offense that doesn't "cater" to him? It looked like it "catered" just fine a year ago. Yes, Garrett needs help. That's where a good QB coach would be a boon.

 

[Alexander]

Wade Wilson was the QB coach in 2007, when Romo has his best year ever. Maybe it was Garrett, the more he got his hands in the offense and further, considering that the whole offense was suppose to be a 'timing-based' offense, where very little scrambling is utilized. Maybe Garrett wanted him to be like Troy Aikman, sitting in the pocket all day, very rarely scrambling. The problem is, Garrett's routes put too much pressure on the OL and Romo had to rely on his feet and it is no suprise, this offense moved much better when Romo's individual talents were utilized.

Did I imagine Garrett was the offensive coordinator in 2007? I guess so. It must have been Wade Wilson's strong hand then and that dunce Garrett messing him up in 2008 after he got his "hands in further"?

Nobody is saying the offense doesn't need to change and yes, the offensive line (must be Garrett not Houck, right?) wasn't built for long developing routes like we had. But that hardly speaks to the issue specifically with the QB and the decisions he makes. The interceptions, fumbles and reckless nature are hardly the domain of the offensive system.

Romo has enough issues above and beyond the offensive structure that need work. And that is not the offensive coordinator/assistant head coach's job to work with him on that. If it is, we are wasting salary on Wilson.

 

[khiladi]

Romo has enough maturity and decision-making issues that will always exist, above and beyond the offensive structure that a quality QB coach can help him with. This isn't an irrelevant Garrett bashing session. Will Garrett make him make better decisions, on and off the field? Will Garrett be a sounding board for him when he's frustrated? Garrett isn't Norv Turner. We know this. But he's not nearly the horrible impediment to Romo that you believe he is.


Take Brett Favre. He was pathetic in Atlanta. Completely pathetic. The Packers take him with Holmgren, Gruden and Reid and he's an All Timer. So basically you are saying Romo's fundamental flaws that were preexisting well before Garrett got here are not correctable and can be attributed to Garrett's offense that doesn't "cater" to him? It looked like it "catered" just fine a year ago. Yes, Garrett needs help. That's where a good QB coach would be a boon.

Your logic flawed.1. You blame the regression on Wade Wilson, but ignore Garrett on the argument the offense was fine in 2007. Well, Wade Wilson was the QB coach then as well.2. As every critic has pointed out, the deterioration in the offense was primarily because Garrett was figured out and failed to adjust. In 2007 the offense was good, but by the end of the year, it's flaws were exposed and Garrett didn't adjust since then.3. Your example of Breet Favre proves the exact point. Under proper coaching, Favre went from pathetic to great. How does that in any way not implicate Garrett?4. The QB coach teaches mechanics, but it is upto the OC to design plays that put his QB in a position to succeed. The QB caoch can teach Romo how to better throw the ball and to keep his head up, but it is upto the OC to call plays where Romo is suppose to roll-out to avoid the bltiz and take advanatge of the fact he can throw on the run. It is upto the OC to take advanatge of the 'physical tools' that the QB coach develops. 5. Romo already has physical tools and the likes of wade Wilson aren't going to deteriorate those skills to the point he can't play QB anymore.

 

[khiladi]

Did I imagine Garrett was the offensive coordinator in 2007? I guess so. It must have been Wade Wilson's strong hand then and that dunce Garrett messing him up in 2008 after he got his "hands in further"?

Nobody is saying the offense doesn't need to change and yes, the offensive line (must be Garrett not Houck, right?) wasn't built for long developing routes like we had. But that hardly speaks to the issue specifically with the QB and the decisions he makes. The interceptions, fumbles and reckless nature are hardly the domain of the offensive system.

Romo has enough issues above and beyond the offensive structure that need work. And that is not the offensive coordinator/assistant head coach's job to work with him on that. If it is, we are wasting salary on Wilson.

Or it could have been Sparano? You do know that Garrett only touched the passing game in 2007, leaving the running game alone. His hands got more inovlved in the offense in 2008. The OL looked horrible, because Garrett was now touching that aspect of the game. Further, you argue as if the OC has no blame in the TOs, which again is false. The OC can put pressure on the QB to consistently make plays downfield. If the OC is playing risky all the time, trying to go downfield, it is going to create more TOs. If the OC is preditacble, the defense can make it's reads easily and create TOs. If Parcells didn't think coaching had anything to do with INTs, fumbles and reckless nature, he wouldn't have been a conservative game-planner. When you have a solid running game, you can be less preditacble, forcing DBs to come up. That is the whole foundation of which play-action is based.

 

[khiladi]

The idea that out fall from grace on offense has to do with Wade Wilson is absolutely absurd. I've never seen a guy escape accountability as much as Jason Garrett. It is like the whole team, from personnel to players, will be at fault before Garrett is blamed.

 

[adbutcher]

Wison has been terrible ever since he got off the steroids.

:laugh2:

 

[Yeagermeister]

My dream choice for QB coach would be Holmgren. If he can get Lord Farve to straighten up he can work wonders for Romo.

But like I said that's a dream

 

[odog422]

The idea that out fall from grace on offense has to do with Wade Wilson is absolutely absurd. I've never seen a guy escape accountability as much as Jason Garrett. It is like the whole team, from personnel to players, will be at fault before Garrett is blamed.

And you oversimplify and dismiss what is relevant.

First, this thread was about the QB coach, yet you are attempting to hijack it into a thread about Garrett. It's clear that you think a QB coach is pretty much meaningless as you have stated repeatedly the only thing he works with on the QB is mechanics. Ok, so you don't think we need to make a change. Fine.

However, you ignore the basic on-the-field evidence of Romo's regression. And Garret's responsibilities go beyond just the QB position. The bulk of the work for everyone is during the week and this is where the QB coach becomes critical. This would cover mechanics, looks, reads and the like for basic play as well as the gameplan for the week.

Romo's mistakes are the same. There was chatter about his practice habits. This is the job of the QB coach to address these issues. He is the one responsible and charged for ironing out the flaws, not the offensive coordinator. As mentioned, you never hear Romo mention Wade with the reverence, or at all, for that matter, that he did David Lee.

And we see the results.

 

[Alexander]

Your logic flawed.1. You blame the regression on Wade Wilson,

No, I blame the lack of progression from the curve he was headed under Lee on Wilson.

but ignore Garrett on the argument the offense was fine in 2007.

I also didn't say it was fine. Garrett missed Sparano. I have made that point often, especially during the heyday of the Garrett witchhunt when he was interviewing for head coaching positions. But I am not as motivated as some to pin it all on him. Sparano bought discipline to the entire offense, but to insinuate the scheme was all his is hard to validate and pretty bad deductive reasoning. So is the idea that Romo blossomed in 2007 under Wilson.

I don't see much structurally that changed in the offense from 2007-2008 other than the offensive line blocked poorly/was a poor fit and Romo's failed Brady impression. What changed was a lack of discipline overall (Sparano) and some very poor schematic fits in terms of blocking. I would blame Houck just as much as Wilson, but that's another story. Garrett has had his hands in the 2007 offense and 2008. You defend Wilson saying he was here in 2007, but I can counter so was Garrett.

2. As every critic has pointed out, the deterioration in the offense was primarily because Garrett was figured out and failed to adjust. In 2007 the offense was good, but by the end of the year, it's flaws were exposed and Garrett didn't adjust since then.

And Garrett's stubborness isn't what I am debating. I am debating Wilson's effectiveness or lack thereof.

3. Your example of Breet Favre proves the exact point. Under proper coaching, Favre went from pathetic to great. How does that in any way not implicate Garrett?

How does it not suggest that Andy Reid and Jon Gruden had their hands in it as much as the offensive architect in Holmgren? Look at the track records and get back with me. Holmgren had horrible offense last year. Did he forget how to coach? Did he get "figured out". Or was he handicapped by things such as injuries and so on? Garrett's got one up and one down. This year will be a great test. Wilson has a history of mediocrity to research.

If Garrett is as bad as you think he is, don't worry, we will have the worst offense in the NFL. In which case, the entire offensive staff needs to go, including Wilson, who you can't demonstrate does anything, and Houck.

4. The QB coach teaches mechanics, but it is upto the OC to design plays that put his QB in a position to succeed.

Please remember you are defending the QB coach who couldn't work the foolishness out of Quincy Carter or Rex Grossman and has not a single success story to his credit. That is the issue here. Not the mechanics, which isn't all of what a QB coach is responsible for.

The QB caoch can teach Romo how to better throw the ball and to keep his head up, but it is upto the OC to call plays where Romo is suppose to roll-out to avoid the bltiz and take advanatge of the fact he can throw on the run. It is upto the OC to take advanatge of the 'physical tools' that the QB coach develops.

And I have already acknowledged what Garrett needs to change. You apparently can't even grasp what Wilson does, or moreover gauge what his responsibilities are.

5. Romo already has physical tools and the likes of wade Wilson aren't going to deteriorate those skills to the point he can't play QB anymore.

You obviously missed my entire point. Romo's mental challenges are what a quality QB coach can assist him with. That's not Garrett's job, sorry.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

The idea that out fall from grace on offense has to do with Wade Wilson is absolutely absurd. I've never seen a guy escape accountability as much as Jason Garrett. It is like the whole team, from personnel to players, will be at fault before Garrett is blamed.

I think both should be held accountable, because both failed miserably. I just can't understand why these two are being absolved so readily by much of the fans and media. I don't get it.

 

[CF74]

The idea that out fall from grace on offense has to do with Wade Wilson is absolutely absurd. I've never seen a guy escape accountability as much as Jason Garrett. It is like the whole team, from personnel to players, will be at fault before Garrett is blamed.