Anybody else feeling more depressed about this team the last few days/weeks?

[Miller]

It's like spoiled children. It makes sense to be like that for a team like the Yankees or the Lakers because they can just outspend whoever they like. In a parity league, 8-8 is not the end of the world because the difference between one end of the spectrum and the other is not that great.

We're not frontrunners and anything other than that is not good enough for Cowboys fans. I just quit posting in that pessimism thread and I feel fine.

Your first paragraph makes no sense. There has been parity in the league for over a decade... Going on 2. We are one of only 6 teams in the 17 year time span we keep discussing that has 0-1 playoff wins. That's out of 32 teams. The reality is that parity should work for you! Have a bad year and turn it around. But the fact that we are .500 all these years with a few low and high outliers says something. As I said in the other thread, expecting excellence isn't a bad thing after having 26 of 31 winning seasons. Getting to .500 and relying on parity is just sad. It's something that should be taken advantage of. There are teams that have managed to be tops and manage the parity waters. i I don't necessarily agree with OP but you just like to label people without making any sense for your reasoning. Just get some objectivity when discussing the sport.

 

[visionary]

Your first paragraph makes no sense. There has been parity in the league for over a decade. We are one of only 6 teams in the 17 year time span we keep discussing that has 0-1 playoff wins. That's out of 32 teams. The reality is that parity should work for you! Have a bad year and turn it around. But the fact that we are .500 all these years with a few low and high outliers says something. As I said in the ins thread, expecting excellence isn't a bad thing after having 26 of 31 winning seasons. Getting to .500 and relying in parity is just sad. It's something that should be taken advantage of. I don't necessarily agree with OP but you just like to label people without making any sense for your reasoning.

Read his posts and then read his sig line

Pure gold

 

[jnday]

I read most of this thread.

The OP is airing his feelings about the off season. He has a legitimate cause for concern because it seems only the Cowboys are static while other teams are trying to improve.

You can bet your butt that if Dallas had a great deal of free money to spend, the board would be humming with excitement over that fact. The hue and cry would be about this being our time and how free agency could be just the ticket for getting over the hurdle.

But because Dallas is in a crunch cap wise, the .500 Happy Hour set dismisses the machinations of other teams as meaningless.

Then the assault takes place on the OP.

Some come here to talk football.

Others come here to talk about other fans.

I guess I just did the same. But I am continually appalled at the idea there is a group who hijacks threads to lambast other fans for their feeling of emptiness over the path this team is headed down.

Scorched earth seems to be the tactic here.

And perhaps for the first time in my years as a fan of this team, I am ashamed to be associated with the fan base that is more content to eat their own than to discuss football.

A fan base that thinks 8-8 is entertaining and the drama of the season was enough.

A fan base that doesn't die just a little with every loss. That doesn't avoid all sports channels after those losses because it is painful to watch the team I have loved since I was a kid lose.

And a fan base that accepts mediocrity with no more thought about the history of the team, both near history of vanilla results, or the far history of superior performances and an excellence that created the brand as one of the best.

A fan base that ignores all the things that made this a once proud franchise, because it is better just to hope for the best than to actually find the opposite results to be vile.

Hope, which is perchance to dream a dream of greatness, year after year, since that is all that is being served up.

Dreaming is better than being justifiably indignant. Dreaming that causes people to lash out at any discussion that is not part of that dream. A dream that is built on hope, but not actually fact.

The .500 Happy Hour set has beaten me down. Not because I can't take it, but because they include themselves in the once proud fandome as they go about changing championships, and play-off runs into 8-8 and decreeing this is acceptable.

From here on out if you herald middle of the road as acceptable, then I will consider you a casual fan.

And to me a casual fan is someone who isn't even a band wagon fan. Not even on the level as a band wagon fan.

Because they at least come for the championships. But this brand of fan is pleased to just call themselves true fans.

And that is the biggest injustice of all. Far bigger than an egomaniac that has sullied the history of this team to promote himself as the architect.

It's a fan who calls himself a true fan, but exhibits the nature of being out of touch with the franchise he supposedly follows. The same kind of out of touch some complain about journalists who don't know the name of the 4th string free safety in an article they write.

It's a fan who doesn't have the gumption to truly commit to this team with every emotion and waking thought.

And with that, you might as well watch soccer.

Very well written and and a well thought out post. I feel this way as well and have for some time. This is really an impressive post that some "fans" will dismiss because of their agenda and I am sure that it will be mislabeled as whinning which will prove just how right you are on the subject.

 

[9darter]

That post from a well known poster about "enjoying the drama" of 2 .500 seasons is the saddest post I have read in all my years on the board

I was going to say the exact same thing.

Great post, TwoDeep3.

 

[TwoDeep3]

I was going to say the exact same thing.

Great post, TwoDeep3.

Brilliant signature, Copenhagen.

 

[jnday]

Brilliant signature, Copenhagen.

It would serve you well to read Twodeep's post until you can recite it word for word.

 

[Doomsday101]

Feeling really down about the future of this franchise for some reason. Seeing all of these NFC teams making moves while we're still struggling to get under the cap by restructuring nearly every big contract and therefore pushing guaranteed money into future years is depressing.

Also some rumors Ed Reed might sign with the Niners. Why are we being left in the dust by our once mortal enemy?

Can't say I share your feelings.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

People are certainly allowed to express their emotions, but I don't see how one could have a real informed opinion until after the draft. No sense in investing the emotions until you have a clearer picture of where the team is at.

 

[TNCowboy]

People like Fuzzy act as though parity and mediocrity is the norm, and therefore we should accept it. They ignore the consistent success of Pittburgh, Baltimore, NYG, NE, and Indy since 2000 or so. Where is this parity for them?

It's also not a parity league from a $$$ standpoint. Every team has to live with the salary cap, but few teams can circumvent it like Jones. Out of cap room? Just move some $$ forward. Want to sign someone to a huge deal? Pay the $25M bonus that many teams can't risk. Many of you don't consider this massive cash advantage Jones has, which, when comparing him with the Arizonas and Cincinnatis of the league, puts him in even a worse light. If there were financial parity, our last dozen years would be very Detroit-like.

It's not a parity league. The good organizations prove it. It's not cyclical, and it isn't luck. Those teams have consistently fielded better teams than Dallas, because they hired good football coaches and have legitimate personnel departments building their rosters, instead of an old man who parties with girls his granddaughers' age, or waxes philosophical while hammered drunk about how he suckered the people of Arlington into building him a stadium.

The Sunshine crew really has no argument. The scoreboard and the standings don't lie. And FYI homers, when perpetually injured players like Lee and Carter get hurt, it isn't bad luck..... it's the reason other teams with grownups in the front office avoided them.

Next time you think that the Cowboys are on even footing with the league's best, look at who is running the organizations. Are the people making their decisions working their tails off to prepare for free agency and the draft, or are they in a frenzy to make it to a party in Vegas? Or to promote concerts and boxing matches? Figuring out what has gone wrong in Dallas isn't difficult for even the densest among us.

 

[juck]

The only thing that upsets me is we are gonna pay a 34 year old choker Qb a large contract.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

People are certainly allowed to express their emotions, but I don't see how one could have a real informed opinion until after the draft. No sense in investing the emotions until you have a clearer picture of where the team is at.

This is true, though the salary mismanagement, the owner's recent comments and extensive track record regarding the OL paint a bleak picture. He could certainly surprise though and that is worth hoping for...

 

[DenCWBY]

I read most of this thread.

The OP is airing his feelings about the off season. He has a legitimate cause for concern because it seems only the Cowboys are static while other teams are trying to improve.

You can bet your butt that if Dallas had a great deal of free money to spend, the board would be humming with excitement over that fact. The hue and cry would be about this being our time and how free agency could be just the ticket for getting over the hurdle.

But because Dallas is in a crunch cap wise, the .500 Happy Hour set dismisses the machinations of other teams as meaningless.

Then the assault takes place on the OP.

Some come here to talk football.

Others come here to talk about other fans.

I guess I just did the same. But I am continually appalled at the idea there is a group who hijacks threads to lambast other fans for their feeling of emptiness over the path this team is headed down.

Scorched earth seems to be the tactic here.

And perhaps for the first time in my years as a fan of this team, I am ashamed to be associated with the fan base that is more content to eat their own than to discuss football.

A fan base that thinks 8-8 is entertaining and the drama of the season was enough.

A fan base that doesn't die just a little with every loss. That doesn't avoid all sports channels after those losses because it is painful to watch the team I have loved since I was a kid lose.

And a fan base that accepts mediocrity with no more thought about the history of the team, both near history of vanilla results, or the far history of superior performances and an excellence that created the brand as one of the best.

A fan base that ignores all the things that made this a once proud franchise, because it is better just to hope for the best than to actually find the opposite results to be vile.

Hope, which is perchance to dream a dream of greatness, year after year, since that is all that is being served up.

Dreaming is better than being justifiably indignant. Dreaming that causes people to lash out at any discussion that is not part of that dream. A dream that is built on hope, but not actually fact.

The .500 Happy Hour set has beaten me down. Not because I can't take it, but because they include themselves in the once proud fandome as they go about changing championships, and play-off runs into 8-8 and decreeing this is acceptable.

From here on out if you herald middle of the road as acceptable, then I will consider you a casual fan.

And to me a casual fan is someone who isn't even a band wagon fan. Not even on the level as a band wagon fan.

Because they at least come for the championships. But this brand of fan is pleased to just call themselves true fans.

And that is the biggest injustice of all. Far bigger than an egomaniac that has sullied the history of this team to promote himself as the architect.

It's a fan who calls himself a true fan, but exhibits the nature of being out of touch with the franchise he supposedly follows. The same kind of out of touch some complain about journalists who don't know the name of the 4th string free safety in an article they write.

It's a fan who doesn't have the gumption to truly commit to this team with every emotion and waking thought.

And with that, you might as well watch soccer.

 

[Vinnie2u]

The only thing that upsets me is we are gonna pay a 34 year old choker Qb a large contract.

I feel your pain.. But you gotta sugar coat that subject around here.. People get their feelings hurt..

 

[Doomsday101]

I feel your pain.. But you gotta sugar coat that subject around here.. People get their feelings hurt..

Not really some do not share those feeling. I don't care if people like Romo or not that is their choice. We are fans we choose the cowboys they did not choose you.

 

[Zordon]

People like Fuzzy act as though parity and mediocrity is the norm, and therefore we should accept it. They ignore the consistent success of Pittburgh, Baltimore, NYG, NE, and Indy since 2000 or so. Where is this parity for them?

It's also not a parity league from a $$$ standpoint. Every team has to live with the salary cap, but few teams can circumvent it like Jones. Out of cap room? Just move some $$ forward. Want to sign someone to a huge deal? Pay the $25M bonus that many teams can't risk. Many of you don't consider this massive cash advantage Jones has, which, when comparing him with the Arizonas and Cincinnatis of the league, puts him in even a worse light. If there were financial parity, our last dozen years would be very Detroit-like.

It's not a parity league. The good organizations prove it. It's not cyclical, and it isn't luck. Those teams have consistently fielded better teams than Dallas, because they hired good football coaches and have legitimate personnel departments building their rosters, instead of an old man who parties with girls his granddaughers' age, or waxes philosophical while hammered drunk about how he suckered the people of Arlington into building him a stadium.

The Sunshine crew really has no argument. The scoreboard and the standings don't lie. And FYI homers, when perpetually injured players like Lee and Carter get hurt, it isn't bad luck..... it's the reason other teams with grownups in the front office avoided them.

Next time you think that the Cowboys are on even footing with the league's best, look at who is running the organizations. Are the people making their decisions working their tails off to prepare for free agency and the draft, or are they in a frenzy to make it to a party in Vegas? Or to promote concerts and boxing matches? Figuring out what has gone wrong in Dallas isn't difficult for even the densest among us.

Now is this pessimism or is it reality?

 

[ufcrules1]

People like Fuzzy act as though parity and mediocrity is the norm, and therefore we should accept it. They ignore the consistent success of Pittburgh, Baltimore, NYG, NE, and Indy since 2000 or so. Where is this parity for them?

It's also not a parity league from a $$$ standpoint. Every team has to live with the salary cap, but few teams can circumvent it like Jones. Out of cap room? Just move some $$ forward. Want to sign someone to a huge deal? Pay the $25M bonus that many teams can't risk. Many of you don't consider this massive cash advantage Jones has, which, when comparing him with the Arizonas and Cincinnatis of the league, puts him in even a worse light. If there were financial parity, our last dozen years would be very Detroit-like.

It's not a parity league. The good organizations prove it. It's not cyclical, and it isn't luck. Those teams have consistently fielded better teams than Dallas, because they hired good football coaches and have legitimate personnel departments building their rosters, instead of an old man who parties with girls his granddaughers' age, or waxes philosophical while hammered drunk about how he suckered the people of Arlington into building him a stadium.

The Sunshine crew really has no argument. The scoreboard and the standings don't lie. And FYI homers, when perpetually injured players like Lee and Carter get hurt, it isn't bad luck..... it's the reason other teams with grownups in the front office avoided them.

Next time you think that the Cowboys are on even footing with the league's best, look at who is running the organizations. Are the people making their decisions working their tails off to prepare for free agency and the draft, or are they in a frenzy to make it to a party in Vegas? Or to promote concerts and boxing matches? Figuring out what has gone wrong in Dallas isn't difficult for even the densest among us.

ost: Freaking spot on post. Best I have seen in a long time.

 

[Woods]

Not really some do not share those feeling. I don't care if people like Romo or not that is their choice. We are fans we choose the cowboys they did not choose you.

This.

I can understand the frustration with JJ, S Jones, Garrett, etc. But here's the issue: as a fan of this franchise, you don't have any power. Sure, go ahead and don't buy a new jersey. See if you make a dent in the JJ's personal wealth.

I often read on this forum that they are going to wait and outlive JJ. Well, you're going to have to outlive S Jones too. Because he's probably going to inherit the franchise. And as a fan, there's nothing you can do about it.

I guess the problem for many fans is that they want to remain fans of this franchise, but they can't get their arms around the fact that the Cowboys are a "family run" business being run the way they don't want to run it.

And there's nothing a fan can do about it. It poses quite the dilemma.

There are three options: change teams, simply find other interests, or just take it all in stride.

 

[Fletch]

This.

I can understand the frustration with JJ, S Jones, Garrett, etc. But here's the issue: as a fan of this franchise, you don't have any power. Sure, go ahead and don't buy a new jersey. See if you make a dent in the JJ's personal wealth.

I often read on this forum that they are going to wait and outlive JJ. Well, you're going to have to outlive S Jones too. Because he's probably going to inherit the franchise. And as a fan, there's nothing you can do about it.

I guess the problem for many fans is that they want to remain fans of this franchise, but they can't get their arms around the fact that the Cowboys are a "family run" business being run the way they don't want to run it.

And there's nothing a fan can do about it. It poses quite the dilemma.

There are three options: change teams, simply find other interests, or just take it all in stride.

Great post. But for many in here, that ain't no fun. Misery loves company.

 

[Vinnie2u]

Great post. But for many in here, that ain't no fun. Misery loves company in here.

All this is, Is entertainment.. Something to do.. Something to debate. No reason to get personal. No reason to bash somebody because of their views.. Everybody has a right to their opinion. If people don't like it ignore them.. We don't know the people behind the signatures. I remember my son got bashed here because of a opnion he had. And he's only 16..

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Never. Tomorrow is another day.