Anybody else still wishing we would have taken a RB in 3rd round?

[xwalker]

I'm declaring Randle a change of pace back after seeing him be a starter in 2013, excelling in the change of pace back role in 2014, and looking average last Sunday. Nearly all of us here watched the game, Randle looked average. He's slow to the hole and gets taken down far easier than most starting RBs in this league. Felix Jones even had games here and there where he looked good, didn't change the fact he wasn't suited to be a starter.

Coleman has the speed and the power to be a starting RB in this league.

Wrong.

 

[xwalker]

There will be other swing tackles in next years draft. I just don't see the value in using a 3rd round pick on a guy that needed surgery and goes on IR. Now granted, no one knew we'd get Collins so I get picking the position. I just don't get picking a guy that is injured and can't contribute. There's nothing 20/20 about it.

He didn't "need" surgery when they drafted him.

 

[xwalker]

The holes were there for Randle. If there were no holes then maybe he should try and break a few tackles and wiggle for a few yards like Murray. Oh wait....he's not Murray and can't do that. Thus the reason why is nothing more than a change of pace back.

Randle got was was available and sometimes more than expected. The blocking was often not in sync in week 1. There were no plays where I thought Murray would have done better and maybe 2 plays where Adrian Peterson would have done better.

 

[xwalker]

Honestly, if your not corned about the Cowboys RB situation, then you simply dont like the Cowboys.

Were you unfazed by our pass rush last year too? When someone said we needed pass rushers this off season did you cry that they were bad fans?

I was concerned prior to week 1, but all 3 RBs that were active had good games and that does not even count C-Mike who is a bonus and good insurance against injury.

 

[xwalker]

The rue is too strong! Let's commit suicide now!

You should be the 1st to get the plan started...

If the people that are upset about not drafting a RB don't follow your lead, I can just shoot them and yell "Remember Sam" after each one.

 

[mattjames2010]

Wrong.

"Wrong" - Piss poor counter-argument, don't waste my time.

There's also one part discussing Randle, the other part discussing Coleman. What part are you saying is "wrong" here?

You saying Randle didn't look average to bad in 2013 when Murray went out? He had 19 carries against the Eagles for 65 yards and 3.4 YPC. Against Detroit, he had 14 carries and averaged a whopping 1.9 YPC. Was I wrong about that? You saying he didn't look average against the Giants? Key word, average. If he wasn't average, what was he? He also certainly looked slow to the hole as well.

Are you saying I'm wrong about Tevin Coleman being faster and stronger than Randle? Well, Randle ran a 4.39 at his pro day, Randle ran the blazing speed of 4.63. Seeing how Randle gets taken down by arm tackles, I'm going to say he isn't very strong.

So, what is "wrong" here? This time, a little more detail.

 

[xwalker]

"Wrong" - Piss poor counter-argument, don't waste my time.

There's also one part discussing Randle, the other part discussing Coleman. What part are you saying is "wrong" here?

You saying Randle didn't look average to bad in 2013 when Murray went out? He had 19 carries against the Eagles for 65 yards and 3.4 YPC. Against Detroit, he had 14 carries and averaged a whopping 1.9 YPC. Was I wrong about that? You saying he didn't look average against the Giants? Key word, average. If he wasn't average, what was he? He also certainly looked slow to the hole as well.

Are you saying I'm wrong about Tevin Coleman being faster and stronger than Randle? Well, Randle ran a 4.39 at his pro day, Randle ran the blazing speed of 4.63. Seeing how Randle gets taken down by arm tackles, I'm going to say he isn't very strong.

So, what is "wrong" here? This time, a little more detail.

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/randle-play-by-play-analysis-giants.331411/

 

[mattjames2010]

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/randle-play-by-play-analysis-giants.331411/

Oh yes, the convincing play by play biased breakdowns. Love reading those here.

 

[xwalker]

Oh yes, the convincing play by play biased breakdowns. Love reading those here.

If I were biased towards anybody it would be McFadden. He's the one I said in the off-season that would be better than people expect.

I'm sure you don't like the play by play analysis because it shows that your hand waving generalizations are not valid.

 

[speedkilz88]

"Wrong" - Piss poor counter-argument, don't waste my time.

There's also one part discussing Randle, the other part discussing Coleman. What part are you saying is "wrong" here?

You saying Randle didn't look average to bad in 2013 when Murray went out? He had 19 carries against the Eagles for 65 yards and 3.4 YPC. Against Detroit, he had 14 carries and averaged a whopping 1.9 YPC. Was I wrong about that? You saying he didn't look average against the Giants? Key word, average. If he wasn't average, what was he? He also certainly looked slow to the hole as well.

Are you saying I'm wrong about Tevin Coleman being faster and stronger than Randle? Well, Randle ran a 4.39 at his pro day, Randle ran the blazing speed of 4.63. Seeing how Randle gets taken down by arm tackles, I'm going to say he isn't very strong.

So, what is "wrong" here? This time, a little more detail.

Pro Day times can vary because of different watches and turfs. Randle actually has a 4.52 time at his pro day, the 4.63 was at the combine. He also looks a lot faster since his first year in the league. It was Coleman's first game but he looks like a very similar player to Randle.

Murray's last game against the eagles, 31 - 81 - 2.6, game before that, 20 - 70 - 3.7

 

[Macnalty]

There will be other swing tackles in next years draft. I just don't see the value in using a 3rd round pick on a guy that needed surgery and goes on IR. Now granted, no one knew we'd get Collins so I get picking the position. I just don't get picking a guy that is injured and can't contribute. There's nothing 20/20 about it.

I think he was considered a value pick with that injury. Much like Sean Lee in the 2nd rd.

 

[xwalker]

Pro Day times can vary because of different watches and turfs. Randle actually has a 4.52 time at his pro day, the 4.63 was at the combine. He also looks a lot faster since his first year in the league. It was Coleman's first game but he looks like a very similar player to Randle.

Murray's last game against the eagles, 31 - 81 - 2.6, game before that, 20 - 70 - 3.7

Yes, Randle must have done something in the off-season between year 1 and year 2 because he was visibly quicker/faster in year 2.

Murray ran a 4.37 at his Pro Day and 4.43 at the combine but Randle was obviously faster than Murray in 2014.

 

[mattjames2010]

Pro Day times can vary because of different watches and turfs. Randle actually has a 4.52 time at his pro day, the 4.63 was at the combine. He also looks a lot faster since his first year in the league. It was Coleman's first game but he looks like a very similar player to Randle.

Murray's last game against the eagles, 31 - 81 - 2.6, game before that, 20 - 70 - 3.7

"A lot faster" is an exaggeration, he's less hesitant than he was in his rookie season, I give him that. I complimented him quite a few times last year for just taking what is there. But a player that is 6'0 and 198 pounds running anywhere from 4.52-4.6 is simply just slow.

 

[speedkilz88]

"A lot faster" is an exaggeration, he's less hesitant than he was in his rookie season, I give him that. I complimented him quite a few times last year for just taking what is there. But a player that is 6'0 and 198 pounds running anywhere from 4.52-4.6 is simply just slow.

Get those glasses checked. He has been noticeably faster since his rookie season. NFL offseason workouts sometimes do that.

 

[mattjames2010]

Get those glasses checked. He has been noticeably faster since his rookie season. NFL offseason workouts sometimes do that.

I never said he wasn't faster, I said he's not "a lot faster" - this guy didn't go from running a 4.53-4.64 to a 4.40. I don't care what kind of off-season program you think we have.

You were also seeing fresh legs all of last year compared to an RB that was being run into the ground.

 

[Dodger12]

He didn't "need" surgery when they drafted him.

OK. Did he get hurt in during the rookie mini-camp or was it a condition he had coming out of college?

 

[xwalker]

OK. Did he get hurt in during the rookie mini-camp or was it a condition he had coming out of college?

He got injured practicing with the Cowboys in OTAs.

He was healthy at draft time.

 

[Dodger12]

He got injured practicing with the Cowboys in OTAs.

He was healthy at draft time.

Thanks for the clarification but he had some injury concerns coming out of college and I thought it was something that he had prior to the draft.

 

[AsthmaField]

Jeremy Langford went 15 picks later.

Matt Jones went 4 picks later.

And really, I like Christine Michael just about as much as I liked those guys, and CM only cost Dallas a 7th at the most.

It is hard to argue against a 3rd round back though when the guy they took instead is on IR.

 

[Nightman]

If I were biased towards anybody it would be McFadden. He's the one I said in the off-season that would be better than people expect.

I'm sure you don't like the play by play analysis because it shows that your hand waving generalizations are not valid.

I think you may have brought your own biases into your analysis. Randle looked hesitant and easy to bring down. And he did not magically gain speed since joining DAL. He may be quick but he isn't fast.