Anybody think Reggie Bush is a bust?

[MCowboys]

Bush did not have a great rookie year. He did some good things certainly, but it was not great. Great is not 565 yards rushing and a 3.65 yards per carry even for a rookie. He was adequate and what makes him adequate was his contribution in the passing game with his 88 receptions and 742 receiving yards. If it was based solely on rushing, then he would have had a poor rookie season. Of course Bush was never going to be judge solely on rushing. It was his total game, including as a return man.

I would say it was somewhat disappointing the lack of big, explosive plays from him last year and 3 games into this season. He had a few, but not nearly as many as hyped. And somewhat disappointing does not equal bust. It will take a few years to earn a bust title. Even then he can still be a solid contributor without living up to being the high 1st round draft choice.

Exactly, Reggie Bush's rookie season wasn't great. Everyone talks like he was such an explosive player last year. How many 20 yard runs did he have? None. He caught 88 passes which is impressive, but they were for 742 yards. You know who else did that? Richie Anderson. No one ever said he had a great season. Reggie Bush was at best the 3rd or 4th best rookie runningback last season. I'm not saying that he's a bust, but he really hasn't been that good so far.

 

[dogunwo]

when you talk of overhype - look around here about mcfadden. even if it does work out that he comes here, will he *ever* be what we want him to be? what would be a "success" for mcfadden given the hype he's already got around him that week in and week out we're on a browns watch for his services?

but the hype continues and sooner or later no one can live up to it and there will be rantings about that.

I dont think Bush is a bust yet, but the same reasons why he is being defended (he is a great receiver out the backfield, he is a home run threat) are the same reasons that people defend Julius and get ripped for it. Sure Bush is faster, but he isnt bouncing off any tackles, and alot of his runs look just as bad if not worse than Julius's.

For the record, I would like to upgrade our RB situation.

 

[trickblue]

when you talk of overhype - look around here about mcfadden. even if it does work out that he comes here, will he *ever* be what we want him to be? what would be a "success" for mcfadden given the hype he's already got around him that week in and week out we're on a browns watch for his services?

but the hype continues and sooner or later no one can live up to it and there will be rantings about that.

Because I'm just having fun with it... it actually started as a joke between me and my neighbor. He is a big Hog's fan but hates the Cowboys, so I always mention the "McFadden to Dallas Watch" to see him cringe...

When the draft rolls around next year, I want the bpa that fits a need; should that be DB, WR etc, etc...

I do think we need to take a serious look at Michael Turner. You will also see in other threads where several of the RB's available next year would be fine with me...

I do NOT, under any circumstances want to trade both of those #1's to move up, but McFadden + Arkansas = JerryLove I fear...

After the trade in the draft last year, Stephen Jones looked at his father and said "This could mean McFadden"... so you know it's already on their mind...

 

[FCBarca]

When people look at a single stat, they tend to forge these myopic viewpoints.

Exhibit A.

Yet, is the viewpoint inaccurate or not supported by any stat let alone one?...Compared to other RBs, particularly rookies, would Bush's hype match his production?

Other people are oppositional/defiant simply out of their nature despite a lack of evidence to support their argument.

Exhibit B.

 

[theogt]

Yet, is the viewpoint inaccurate or not supported by any stat let alone one?...Compared to other RBs, particularly rookies, would Bush's hype match his production?

Other people are oppositional/defiant simply out of their nature despite a lack of evidence to support their argument.

Exhibit B.

Despite the lack of evidence to support the argument? I provided my evidence in this thread. You can ignore it, if you like. Doesn't really both me. Just goes right along with your myopic viewpoint.

 

[joseephuss]

There was once this "other guy" that was used very similar to Reggie Bush when he first came into the NFL. He was not the main running back and was used as a change of pace guy while the starter got most of the rushing attempts. While Bush put together a good year last season, this "other guy" put together a very good year his first NFL season.

Rushing attempts
155 Bush
151 other guy

Rushing yards
565 Bush
737 other guy

Yards per rush
3.65 Bush
4.88 other guy

Rushing TDs
6 Bush
12 other guy

Receptions
88 Bush
76 other guy

Receiving yards
742 Bush
837 other guy

Yards per reception
8.43 Bush
11.01 other guy

Receiving TDs
2 Bush
2 other guy

That is why I don't think Bush had a great rookie campaign. A good one, but as we can see others have done better. Maurice Jones-Drew also was in a similar situation last year and posted 166 rushes, 941 yards, 5.67 yards per rush, 13 rushing TDs, 46 receptions, 436 receiving yards, 9.48 yards per reception and 2 receiving TDs.

By the way, the "other guy" was Herschel Walker in his first NFL season in 1986.

 

[superpunk]

myopic

myopic

Word of the day calendars can be fun, if used in moderation, kids.

 

[theogt]

Word of the day calendars can be fun, if used in moderation, kids.

Oh, come on. The second sentence was referencing the first. Now, obviously if I used the word over multiple threads describing different situations, it would be different.

 

[03EBZ06]

I think Bush is WAYYYY over-hyped. Yes he has talent. Yes he can score some points.

So was Romo, don't you remember all the over-hyping of Romo last year?

No player can prevent over-hyping by media and it isn't the players fault that they are over-hyped.

Are we going to give up 1st round players in their second year? Our own first rounder can't even break into the starting line up.

Maybe some fans want an instant gratification but some players takes bit more to meet certain expectations, so give them bit more time because labelling them as a bust, unless of course you simply don't like certain players no matter what.

 

[TunaFan33]

Reggie Bush is a bust???????? i mean he is soft it seems like he is scared to get hit.. we will see since duce is out for the year its his chance to shine

Frankly-Deuce has lost a step or 2 to begin with-his last couple of seasons or so were injury prone, and it showed. Pierre Thomas showed potential in TC, he may likely step up.

And yes-Bush was that "trap" pick-a bust in the making, but nonetheless the mediots like John Clayton and Mel Kiper raved about.

 

[joseephuss]

Oh, come on. The second sentence was referencing the first. Now, obviously if I used the word over multiple threads, it would be different.

One might say it would be myopic, but then they would be using the word incorrectly.

 

[superpunk]

Oh, come on. The second sentence was referencing the first. Now, obviously if I used the word over multiple threads describing different situations, it would be different.

lmao....was not being serious.

 

[theogt]

lmao....was not being serious.

I know. Just clarifying. And post padding. Like this post.

 

[ringmaster]

I don't know how you define bust, but he's always been way, way overhyped.

Let me ask you this how would he do in our offense this year if we had him.

 

[Clarkson]

no one on the Saints is doing anything right now. Their line hasn't been good at all. Bush will be fine.

 

[peplaw06]

Anybody think Reggie Bush is a bust?

This is not a ******** thread. People are asking and I for one am glad they do ask this....

I think Bush is WAYYYY over-hyped. Yes he has talent. Yes he can score some points.

The thing is he is not the next coming of Gayle Sayers or Dickerson.

Bush is what he is. An over-hyped fast kid with some moves. He is not smart. He still bounces out to outrun folks and that is what's killing him. He did a bit better lastnight but still has that tendancy.

Bush freakin drinks to much of his own Kool-aid. He hates it when he cant bust one every play. You can tell by watching him after a tackle. He just simmers.


This ain't USC baby. Welcome to the show.

I LOL everytime I see it.

Yes, you're correct. Bust = over-hyped.


Wait, no it doesn't.


The rest of your post is just gibberish. "Bush drinks too much of his own kool-aid??" Link?

"He hates it when he can't bust one every play." Don't you think most great RBs wanted to score a TD every play?

Look, there's no doubt he has struggled for where he was drafted. But to say he's a bust?? Sorry, that IS ********. Even you admit he has talent.

Who else on that team do you have to gameplan for? Deuce? Colston?

If you don't think that every team goes into a game with NO thinking that "we HAVE to know where Reggie is at all times," you're kidding yourself... probably because of some irrational hatred of USC. He has to be the number one concern going in there.

And part of that is the hype. If he wasn't as hyped as he was, he'd probably be more successful, because less attention would be paid to him. You get all these endorsements off the field, and make some amazing plays on it, and you're going to be a target.

And to say he's "not smart" is just more hatred. you don't know the guy. If he ever does learn to run more like Emmitt than Barry Sanders, then he's really going to be something IMO. But it's only been a season and three games. You may think he's slow to learn, but to say he's a bust is ludicrous.

 

[joseephuss]

Yes, you're correct. Bust = over-hyped.


Wait, no it doesn't.


The rest of your post is just gibberish. "Bush drinks too much of his own kool-aid??" Link?

"He hates it when he can't bust one every play." Don't you think most great RBs wanted to score a TD every play?

Look, there's no doubt he has struggled for where he was drafted. But to say he's a bust?? Sorry, that IS ********. Even you admit he has talent.

Who else on that team do you have to gameplan for? Deuce? Colston?

If you don't think that every team goes into a game with NO thinking that "we HAVE to know where Reggie is at all times," you're kidding yourself... probably because of some irrational hatred of USC. He has to be the number one concern going in there.

And part of that is the hype. If he wasn't as hyped as he was, he'd probably be more successful, because less attention would be paid to him. You get all these endorsements off the field, and make some amazing plays on it, and you're going to be a target.

And to say he's "not smart" is just more hatred. you don't know the guy. If he ever does learn to run more like Emmitt than Barry Sanders, then he's really going to be something IMO. But it's only been a season and three games. You may think he's slow to learn, but to say he's a bust is ludicrous.

You don't learn to run like Emmitt or Barry. Those guys knew how to run when they came into the league. Most of the great ones know how to do what they do when they get to the NFL.

Not running like those guys will not make Bush a bust. He will probably never live up to the hype because the hype was just ridiculous. He is not in charge of the media, so he did not make the hype up.

Right now he is not living up to the expectations of the #2 over all pick and there are reasonable expectations for a running back drafted that high. I am not talking about him needing to average 7 yards per carry or bust a 50 yard TD play every game. Just get your average up to 4.0 yards per carry and have a few more big plays of over 20 yards. And not accomplishing that right now also does not make him a bust. It is too early to earn the bust title. That is really earned over a few seasons and chances. He has time to get going this year.

 

[Tobal]

Yeah Westy is a regular Earl Campbell

All the games I've seen him play if there's nothing there he just lays down, now if he happens to be running past a defender and the the guy out stretches for him yeah, he's broken a few of those, big deal.

The Eagles also have a far superior O-line over the Aint's...

Still I'd take Bush over Westbrook anyday.

I said it last yr before the draft, Bush can't carry Westbrooks jock

 

[CF74]

I said it last yr before the draft, Bush can't carry Westbrooks jock

Bush>Westbrook

 

[peplaw06]

You don't learn to run like Emmitt or Barry. Those guys knew how to run when they came into the league. Most of the great ones know how to do what they do when they get to the NFL.

I only threw the Emmitt and Barry comparison in there because Emmitt would always hit the hole first, then make his moves. Barry danced in the backfield, and ran east/west before finding the hole. Bush tries too hard to find the hole.