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Gibbs II said:
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If you believe that 4 & 5 WR sets are going to be a staple and vault you over the top keep dreaming. Portis and your OL is still your bread and butter.

Moss will be your one quality WR. Lloyd can be effective. I am pretty sure Cooley will be more involved in your offense than Randle El, Patten & Thrash.

I just don't believe that anyone really buys this, but you guys lap it up.
 

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One more time....

Owens is better than Moss
Glenn is better than Lloyd
Randle-El is better than Crayton
Witten is better than Cooley

Therefore.....our Receiving Corps is better than the Commander receiving corps....

end of story....
 

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Bizwah said:
One more time....

Owens is better than Moss
Glenn is better than Lloyd
Randle-El is better than Crayton
Witten is better than Cooley

Therefore.....our Receiving Corps is better than the Commander receiving corps....

end of story....

Really? Randle-El is barely a WR at all
 

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HeavyHitta31 said:
Really? Randle-El is barely a WR at all
Yes....

We accuse the Skins' fans of being homers.....but we can be to.

Randle-El is better (right now) than Crayton. Now, if Crayton picks up where he left off, and continues his pattern of improvement, then he will pass Randle-El.

But right now, you have to give the nod to El....easily....

Just like Witten.....I think it's incredibly homeristic to say that Cooley is even with Witten.

No way!

Witten is a weapon....Witten is a playmaker....Cooley is more of a pain-in-the-butt for DCs....
 

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Bizwah said:
Yes....

We accuse the Skins' fans of being homers.....but we can be to.

Randle-El is better (right now) than Crayton. Now, if Crayton picks up where he left off, and continues his pattern of improvement, then he will pass Randle-El.

But right now, you have to give the nod to El....easily....

Just like Witten.....I think it's incredibly homeristic to say that Cooley is even with Witten.

No way!

Witten is a weapon....Witten is a playmaker....Cooley is more of a pain-in-the-butt for DCs....

You're right, I REALLY wish Crayton could pull off all those nifty trick plays that Randle El can :rolleyes:
 

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seoulman said:
Please read the beginning of my previous post. There is a very specific reason I use the term "skillset". I did not mean to imply that Cooley has same ability of Gonzo, just that they have a similar set of skills from which to work.

Cooley isn't nearly the athlete of Gonzo, Gonzo is an elite athlete and player, Cooley is not, mentioning the 2 in the same breath before Cooley has done anything is stupid, please stop

btw, I don't think the presence of Saunders is going to get Cooley any 1,000, double-digit TD seasons
 

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Bizwah said:
One more time....

Owens is better than Moss
Glenn is better than Lloyd
Randle-El is better than Crayton
Witten is better than Cooley

Therefore.....our Receiving Corps is better than the Commander receiving corps....

end of story....

wrong, you have to take into account the 4th and 5th WRs before you can make a statement like that

therefore, SKINS WRs >>>>> COWBOYS WRs *end sarcasm*
 

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summerisfunner said:
Cooley isn't nearly the athlete of Gonzo, Gonzo is an elite athlete and player, Cooley is not, mentioning the 2 in the same breath before Cooley has done anything is stupid, please stop

btw, I don't think the presence of Saunders is going to get Cooley any 1,000, double-digit TD seasons

First...don't call me stupid. Second...look at the stats before you start mouthing off about my stupidity. Gonzo has had 2 seasons with double digit TDs over a nine year career. Last year he had 2 TDs. Gonzo is a great player, I've never said anything to the contrary.

I never implied that Cooley was going to have 1000 yards, which Gonzo has also managed to do twice in a nine year career, or have double digit TDs. But rather that Cooley has a similar skillset that Saunders will be able to exploit: He is a big, strong, receiver that can go over the middle, make the tough catch, and shrug off some tackles for a few more yards.

I've also never implied that athletically Cooley was in Gonzales' class. There are only a few TEs that I think are as athletic or more so than Gonzales. Antonio Gates, Vernon Davis, and Kellen Winslow (based on numbers coming out of college). However, athletic ability is not the only determinant of how effective a TE can be.

If Saunders manages to increase Cooley's numbers even marginally from last year, he will (once again) be one of the top 4-5 TEs in the league.
 

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seoulman said:
First...don't call me stupid. Second...look at the stats before you start mouthing off about my stupidity.

I agree, seoulman!

Hey, you Cowboy fans, stop calling him stupid, and stop mouthing off about him being stupid!

He's doing a good job of all that by himself!

:lmao:
 

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seoulman said:
Glad to see you're cracking yourself up.

Actually, you are the one making me laugh...and probably some other people also!

But, I glad you're glad...!

:laugh2:

:dissskin:
 

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summerisfunner said:
I'm wondering where you guys see all this untapped, great potential in Lloyd, I believe he can be a good receiver, but great? if he's some great talent waiting to be tapped, wouldn't he have been a 1st round pick? esp. playing the WR position

TO was a third rounder- 89th overall.

as far as lloyd, I dont really know. i do know how san fran QB's have played the past 2 years. and he does make some incredible catches. he may be better than his numbers.
 

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riggo said:
TO was a third rounder- 89th overall.
Well, don't stop there. Owens played for a small Division I-AA (Tennessee-Chattanooga). Still, the 49ers selected him within the first 89 picks behind:

Keyshawn Johnson, USC
Terry Glenn, Ohio State
Eddie Kennison, Louisiana State
Marvin Harrison, Syracuse
Eric Moulds, Mississippi State
Alex Van Dyke, Nevada
Amani Toomer, Michigan
Bryan Still, Virginia Tech
Muhsin Muhammad, Michigan State
Bobby Engram, Penn State
Derrick Mayes, Notre Dame

His lack of big-time exposure probably had a lot to do with where he was selected and explains why he didn't go higher. On the other hand, Brandon Lloyd was drafted out of the Big Ten (Illinois). Even though he played at a Division I-A school, which was also a member of a highly televised major conference, the same 49ers selected Lloyd late in the 4th round behind:

Charles Rogers, Michigan State
Andre Johnson, Miami (FL)
Bryant Johnson, Penn State
Taylor Jacobs, Florida
Bethel Johnson, Texas A&M
Anquan Boldin, Florida State
Tyrone Calico, Middle Tennessee State
Teyo Johnson, Stanford
Kelley Washington, Tennessee
Nate Burleson, Nevada-Reno
Kevin Curtis, Utah State
Billy McMullen, Virginia
Shaun McDonald, Arizona State

IMO, I don't believe that Lloyd was simply 'overlooked' by the talent scouts and fell in the draft. He ended up where he should have and was probably fortunate that he didn't go in the fifth round. That's the 'no. 2' receiver which the Commanders paid for. Enjoy.
 

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When is the last time TO had 1483yds recieving in one season?
The answer is NEVER.
The #1s are more equal than you think.
Witten and Cooley are pretty equal as well, Witten has 12TDs in the past two years where as Cooley has 13, Witten is more of a yardage hog where Cooley is more First Down and possesion.
You guys got a good couple of pass catchers as do we, the only thing that matters is the W column at the end of the year.
 

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MossTDMossTD said:
When is the last time TO had 1483yds recieving in one season?
The answer is NEVER.
Like, OMGZ.....he's only had 1451 and 1412. Been over 1300 3 times. Had double digit TDs 4 times. Moss barely made it - once.

But honestly - jock that 30 yard difference all the way to the bank.
 

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MossTDMossTD said:
Actually 30 yards could be the difference between 14-13 and 7-13.
:p:

Like, OMGZ, you're totally right. I'm not sure you've met your lame smack total for the day. Maybe you could make a few more irrelevant references to your september super bowl. You make more sense all the time.
 

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sacase said:
You are such a homer. Owens is reguarded as one of the best if not the best receiver in the NFL. Moss is only reguarded as a guy who had one great season and is a great, but not an elite player. BIG difference. Owens is better than Moss is so many ways it isn't even funny.


You know....over at ES, a lot of Cowboy fans accuse us of being homers, and say its not possible to have intelligent conversation. So then I come over here and see this comment.

sacase -- Gamebreaker agreed with you, and said TO was a better receiver than Moss. Yet you STILL call him a homer? I don't get it...
 

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superpunk said:
Like, OMGZ.....he's only had 1451 and 1412. Been over 1300 3 times. Had double digit TDs 4 times. Moss barely made it - once.

But honestly - jock that 30 yard difference all the way to the bank.


TO has certainly had better career numbers than Moss -- that cannot be argued. But answer this question honestly: Right now, at this point in their careers, which receiver would you rather have on your team? Moss has 5-10 years ahead of him. TO's best years are behind him.
 
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