Anyone but skin homers really think

That's because your argument is so silly, I had to ask if it was some warped version of logic, i.e. 'Skins fan logic.

You're talking about Jerry Rice being on a team now past his prime. It's irrelevant.

And no one is basing Owens as being better than Moss off of only career statistics.
 
sacase said:
You are such a homer.
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Takes one to know one. :)


Owens is reguarded as one of the best if not the best receiver in the NFL. Moss is only reguarded as a guy who had one great season and is a great, but not an elite player. BIG difference. Owens is better than Moss is so many ways it isn't even funny.
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No, the difference between great and elite is not big. You're exaggerating. Yes, Owens is better than Moss in so many ways that you couldn't list a single one. :rolleyes: Lovely.
 
Owens is a complete reciever. Moss is an all or nothing kind of reciever, hes not going over the middle to pick up tough 1st downs.

Glenn is at this point still better than Lloyd/Randle el

Crayton is improving but not as good as Randle El imo, but I would take him over Lloyd

I hope no one even tries to debate Witten/Cooley


and how did Salsbury have the Giants over Dallas

Owens > Buress
Glenn > Toomer
Crayton > Sinorice Moss
Witten > Shockey
 
MarionBarberThe4th said:
Owens is a complete reciever. Moss is an all or nothing kind of reciever, hes not going over the middle to pick up tough 1st downs.

Glenn is at this point still better than Lloyd/Randle el

Crayton is improving but not as good as Randle El imo, but I would take him over Lloyd

I hope no one even tries to debate Witten/Cooley


and how did Salsbury have the Giants over Dallas

Owens > Buress
Glenn > Toomer
Crayton > Sinorice Moss
Witten > Shockey
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I think we were ranked one better than the Giants.
 
The Commanders may not have better recievers than the Cowboys, but they have a way better offensive line. I don't know about you guys but I would rather have three of those starters on the Oline than Owens as a wideout.
 
SultanOfSix said:
That's because your argument is so silly, I had to ask if it was some warped version of logic, i.e. 'Skins fans logic.

You're talking about Jerry Rice being on a team now past his prime. It's irrelevant.

And no one is basing Owens as being better than Moss off of only career statistics.
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burmafrd: Moss has had nice years- one great year- TO has had MONSTER MULTIPLE YEARS. What part of that do you not understand?

He did.

I used a bad example. My bad. Seems no one here wants to talk about my actual point but harp on the bad example. Fine. It doesn't change the fact that career statistics don't necessarily say one player is better than the other. Used as an alternative or to assist the main argument? fine. Your only argument? No. If two players were even in terms of value and ability, then I could see looking at their track records as a way to indicate who would be slightly better. Yet you still have to actually use your brain and assess what which reciever does better than the other first, but blindly choosing one over the other when the one chosen's best season occured 5 years ago isn't a good argument.

Let it be known I never said Moss was better than Owens, just the difference between the two in terms of overall quality isn't as big some here would like to suggest. Maybe if you guys spent less time insulting the Skins fan and more time actually reading what he wrote this wouldn't be so difficult to understand.
 
neosapien23 said:
The Commanders may not have better recievers than the Cowboys, but they have a way better offensive line. I don't know about you guys but I would rather have three of those starters on the Oline than Owens as a wideout.
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I like their OL over our OL. No doubt about that at all. I don't know whether I can say I'd prefer their OL & receivers to ours. This is the best discussion point brought up in a long time.
 
Terry Glenn has played one complete season in the last 5 (last season) 23 games missed.

Terrell Owens has played one complete season in the past 5 (5 years ago) 14 games missed for either injury of being exiled.

Santana has missed 2 games in the last 4 seasons (His rookie year he barely played).

Brandon Lloyd has missed 3 games in 3 years.

History tells me that it is more likely for one or both of the Cowboys top 2 WRs to miss some playing time than either of the Commanders WRs.
 
MarionBarberThe4th said:
Owens is a complete reciever. Moss is an all or nothing kind of reciever, hes not going over the middle to pick up tough 1st downs.

Glenn is at this point still better than Lloyd/Randle el

Crayton is improving but not as good as Randle El imo, but I would take him over Lloyd

I hope no one even tries to debate Witten/Cooley


and how did Salsbury have the Giants over Dallas

Owens > Buress
Glenn > Toomer
Crayton > Sinorice Moss
Witten > Shockey
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I would disagree on Moss not going over the middle. Yes, he's more effective going deep and on out routes, yet he was also productive on turning screens, quick slants, and 7 yrd. hooks into first downs that occasionally had him over the middle. In the playoff game aganist Seattle, he took a hard hit running a drag over the middle and got up without a single problem.

I think Salisbury was outvoted on the Giants/Dallas issue, and he should've been. Cowboys pass catchers are better than the Giants pass catchers.
 
SkinsandTerps said:
Terry Glenn has played one complete season in the last 5 (last season) 23 games missed.

Terrell Owens has played one complete season in the past 5 (5 years ago) 14 games missed for either injury of being exiled.

Santana has missed 2 games in the last 4 seasons (His rookie year he barely played).

Brandon Lloyd has missed 3 games in 3 years.

History tells me that it is more likely for one or both of the Cowboys top 2 WRs to miss some playing time than either of the Commanders WRs.
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See? There you go.....Stats to back it up.
 
Hostile said:
I like their OL over our OL. No doubt about that at all. I don't know whether I can say I'd prefer their OL & receivers to ours. This is the best discussion point brought up in a long time.
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Thats just crazy talk. The Commanders have the best OL in the division. Having the QB that needs the most time in the division (Bledsoe) means that the best OL should go hand in hand.
 
MarionBarberThe4th said:
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Salsbury had us at 6, then Golic said he doesnt know why were higher, so they switched us
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oh, thats crazy, carry on.

Golic just hates us. Green envy, ya know?
 
SkinsandTerps said:
Terry Glenn has played one complete season in the last 5 (last season) 23 games missed.
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That's not true. Glenn played in all games in the 2003 season also.
 
Owens has the complete package, He can run past you over you, can jump over you. Moss has speed and route running.

Lloyd has yet to show he is more than a washout in San Fran

I mean guys think about it, Why would San Fran give up Lloyd a young WR if he was so good, when you've got a top TE and a QB coming in?

cooley has neven been a true TE, so u have to give the edge to witten.

So that leaves the 3 WR

Crayton and El, to me are equal, they both have had flashed of being good, and flashes of being were they were taken.

In the end our WR's are better, you may think we have no depth, that is your opinion, but with the young guys i see on the roster, i see plenty of it.

The differnce the WR corps this year will be determined by how well the OL and QB play is. But on paper
Cowboys > Commanders

Link
http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57530

:D:D:D
 
Gamebreaker said:
burmafrd: Moss has had nice years- one great year- TO has had MONSTER MULTIPLE YEARS. What part of that do you not understand?

He did.
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No he didn't. I don't see a single statistic in that line anywhere.
 
Anguillidae said:
That's not true. Glenn played in all games in the 2003 season also.
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My apologies. Indeed he did.

So knock that number down to 21 games missed.
 
SultanOfSix said:
No he didn't. I don't see a single statistic in that line anywhere.
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He used career stats. He didn't actually state them but it was definitely what he was talking about.
 
Only skins homers would have Moss close to Owens. No one esle around does. Glenn has had a better career then Lloyd- so unless you can show that Glenn will fade this year and Lloyd will be better....
Witten is of course better then Cooley.
BUT lets make this a little more clear.
Owens is a 1
Moss is a 2
Glenn is a 1
Llloyd is a 2
Witten is a 1
Cooley is a 2
Is that clear enough?
OR give them a numeric ranking with 10 being all world and 1 stinking up the place
Owens is a 9
Moss is a 8
Glenn is a 6
Lloyd is a 5
Witten is a 8
Cooley is a 7 (being generous)
Totals: Boys 23
Skins 20
Now could that be any more clear?
 
burmafrd said:
Only skins homers would have Moss close to Owens.
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Besides giving each reciever vague number values, you have yet to prove that Owens blows Moss out of the water.
 
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