Anyone Notice that TO leads the league in Receiving Yards?

[InmanRoshi]

Of course, if it wasn't for the wind, the Ravens might have been more protective against the deep pass. They played a lot man coverage without much help over the top.

On the play I particularly remember, Ed Reed was playing over the top and Moss blew right past him on his backpedal as he turned to run. The ball just died in the wind.

 

[superpunk]

On the play I particularly remember, Ed Reed was playing over the top and Moss blew right past him on his backpedal as he turned to run. The ball just died in the wind.

And here I thought this sort of thing only happened to our one-dimensional-in-the-box overpaid strong-safety.

Madness.

 

[DBoys]

We showed teams how to shut moss down.

 

[InmanRoshi]

And here I thought this sort of thing only happened to our one-dimensional-in-the-box overpaid strong-safety.

Madness.

I'm sure it happens to everyone, but the Ravens do leave their highly paid NFL safety in the game in all packages so evidently it doesn't happen as often to him.

But I did see Dawan Landry come up and make some tackles in the running game. That's Pro Bowl material. Watch out for him.

 

[viman96]

Curious where drops are recorded? I did not see the stat on nfl.com but probably just not looking in the right spot.

 

[superpunk]

I'm sure it happens to everyone, but the Ravens do leave their highly paid NFL safety in the game in all packages so evidently it doesn't happen as often to him.

We don't know that for sure. I'm sure they have packages where he's off the field. But, he's their free safety, so even on Dallas he'd remain in the game like Hamlin for our single safety sets.

Shocking to see such an amazing, and highly paid, safety get burnt by another elite player, though. I thought this kind of thing was exclusive to Cowboys safeties.

 

[03EBZ06]

Curious where drops are recorded? I did not see the stat on nfl.com but probably just not looking in the right spot.

http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html

 

[thekavorka]

everyone keeps gushing over Moss and how he should be MVP...what about Owens? His overall numbers are better...he has 4 few receptions and 3 fewer tds, but he has 2.5yds per catch more...he's having a better year

and Moss has dropped more balls too

then you have to factor in that New England throws the ball more than we do, plus the other WR's Stallworth and Welker have been healthy all year as well

David

according to http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html

TO has 8 drops
Randy Moss has 4 drops

 

[BARRYRAY]

League MVP........

 

[InmanRoshi]

We don't know that for sure. I'm sure they have packages where he's off the field. But, he's their free safety, so even on Dallas he'd remain in the game like Hamlin for our single safety sets.

Shocking to see such an amazing, and highly paid, safety get burnt by another elite player, though. I thought this kind of thing was exclusive to Cowboys safeties.

Actually, he and Landry are pretty much interchangable as far as "free" and "strong" go. One will play up while the other plays back, and vice versa. It's the same with most secondaries in the league. Technically, Hamlin's not supposed to be a "free safety" if you listen to Seattle fans. He just happens to be better in coverage than Roy. I do know that the Ravens never take Reed off the field.

I think it's really only a few Dallas fans, mostly Roy admirers, who draw such a huge line in the sand between "free" safety and "strong" safety these days. Most teams generally want their highly paid defenders to play in both pass and run situations. For example, we don't take Ware off the field and say "he's not a run defensive end".

 

[theogt]

On the play I particularly remember, Ed Reed was playing over the top and Moss blew right past him on his backpedal as he turned to run. The ball just died in the wind.

That was a bad play call by the Patriots. Did they really expect Brady to throw it 50-60 yards in that sort of wind?

 

[viman96]

http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html

Thanks for the link!

 

[superpunk]

Actually, he and Landry are pretty much interchangable as far as "free" and "strong" go. One will play up while the other plays back, and vice versa. It's the same with most secondaries in the league. Technically, Hamlin's not supposed to be a "free safety" if you listen to Seattle fans. He just happens to be better in coverage than Roy. I do know that the Ravens never take Reed off the field.

I think it's really only a few Dallas fans, mostly Roy admirers, who draw such a huge line in the sand between "free" safety and "strong" safety these days. Most teams generally want their highly paid defenders to play in both pass and run situations. For example, we don't take Ware off the field and say "he's not a run defensive end".

Most defenses don't have as many personnel packages as we do. For example, in our nickel package Roy remains on the field but Bradie James, Chris Canty and Marcus Spears almost always leave. Our 6 DB package calls for one safety, and Hamlin stays deep. You don't know that Reed is never pulled off the field, although I'm sure you strongly suspect it.

Still shocking to see him get beat like that. I suspect if you'd watch him more often, you'd notice this enormously athletic safety get shaken more than his fair share. That was a great tip-ball drill INT he nabbed, though. Safeties like Roy couldn't dream of making that play. Of course, they may not have fumbled it away, either.

 

[theogt]

Actually, he and Landry are pretty much interchangable as far as "free" and "strong" go. One will play up while the other plays back, and vice versa. It's the same with most secondaries in the league. Technically, Hamlin's not supposed to be a "free safety" if you listen to Seattle fans. He just happens to be better in coverage than Roy. I do know that the Ravens never take Reed off the field.

I think it's really only a few Dallas fans, mostly Roy admirers, who draw such a huge line in the sand between "free" safety and "strong" safety these days. Most teams generally want their highly paid defenders to play in both pass and run situations. For example, we don't take Ware off the field and say "he's not a run defensive end".

I admit that I haven't watched many Ravens games this year, but this is in significant contradiction to things I've read and/or heard about the way they've been playing Reed.

 

[theogt]

Most defenses don't have as many personnel packages as we do. For example, in our nickel package Roy remains on the field but Bradie James, Chris Canty and Marcus Spears almost always leave.

If you're referring to the "nickel" package where Roy plays "linebacker," Canty is in that package.

Our 6 DB package calls for one safety, and Hamlin stays deep. You don't know that Reed is never pulled off the field, although I'm sure you strongly suspect it.

When we have 6 DB in a package, we normally have 2 deep safeties. The "Single Safety" package is only a 4 DB package.

Here's a fantastic thread on this topic:

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105166

 

[superpunk]

If you're referring to the "nickel" package where Roy plays "linebacker," Canty is in that package.


When we have 6 DB in a package, we normally have 2 deep safeties. The "Single Safety" package is only a 4 DB package.

Here's a fantastic thread on this topic:

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105166

Whatever. There's so many that I can't keep track of them, and I'm not feeling anal enough to worry about semantics. I think the point is there whether I remembered the name of the packages or not.

 

[theogt]

Whatever. There's so many that I can't keep track of them, and I'm not feeling anal enough to worry about semantics. I think the point is there whether I remembered the name of the packages or not.

Check out the link. You don't have to keep track of them. They're all there.

 

[Kilyin]

If it weren't for the wind last night, I'm not sure Moss wouldn't have 2-3 more TD catches. There were several times where he blew right by the Ravens secondary and Brady couldn't get the ball to him in the wind.

I doubt that since he couldn't catch a TD that hit him right in the hands. But let's blame the wind.

 

[Dallas]

Yep, I got TO in my league too. Very nice year.

I still have a hard time ranking TO as the best until he can stop dropping critical TD passes that hit him right in the hands.

So who is the best? Ive seen Randy drop a few TD's passes this year already. He had another last night.

 

[superpunk]

Check out the link. You don't have to keep track of them. They're all there.

Oh, I thought I was getting linked to some argument about whether that defense was called dime or nickel.

That thread is very nice.