AP: Irvin says Vick needs sanctuary of football

[peplaw06]

I probably haven't made my point very clearly.

By itself, single incident versus single incident, I'm not sure the public is significantly more outraged by an organized dog fight (and I mean that narrowly) than calculated sexual indescretion. The problem here is that the accusations around Vick are much broader, deeper and more extreme than Irvin's, by comparison, single incident.

I think you're right that the specific allegations vs Vick are viewed more negatively than those against Irvin. I'm just uncomfortable using those two cases to compare the two offenses because I think Vick's alleged overall body of work seems to be much broader & deeper than Irvin's in his indescretion. I think it makes the comparisons deceiving.

I think one could also pick sexual indescretion cases more heinous than a less extreme dog-fight case and get a different measure of public outcry as a result.

People can and will support Vick in more approrpiate ways than what Emmitt & Deion stumbled around trying to do. Wade I think already has done so. I think the outrage magnitude is also multiplied by the fact that Vick, at present, is still evading it all. Irvin, by comparison, has largely come clean and repented. There is a lot of forgiveness that flows once repentance happens.

Maybe that helps explain my position a bit better. Honestly its tough to do.

I understand exactly what you're saying CoCo.

I think it's just the age of the media we live in. Celebrity is trotted out in front of the public en masse. Back when Mark Chmura was with the Packers, he committed a serious, heinous crime. The public outcry was no where near what Vick is getting from what I remember.

But even in this short amount of time, the public has become more fervent in calling for action with (alleged )celebrity criminals.

It has little to do with what the public believes is more serious as a crime. I would pretty much guarantee you that if a prominent football player was charged with rape, the public outcry would be massive. See the Duke case. Those were college lacrosse players. Can you imagine if that was Michael Vick or Jamal Lewis or Fred Smoot? I think it would be bigger than dogfighting. Especially in today's age when sex crimes against minors are at the forefront of state legislative action.

The difference isn't what crime is more reprehensible... it's the power and influence of the media and court of public opinion.

 

[Garland powerplay]

Kobe got off for that or paid off whatever.

 

[tyke1doe]

Some things never change, Michael Irvin still doesn't get it. Never has and in all likelihood, never will. :bang2:

I think he gets it more than you do.

Posters seem to be taking Irvin's column too literally.

All Irvin is saying is that taking Vick away from the game would hurt him because Vick defines himself as a football player.

Irvin is not weighing in on whether the NFL is RIGHT or WRONG in doing so.

He's just focusing on how much football means to Vick and how Vick draws solace from being at camp and on the field.

And Irvin's empathy comes from him being in a similar situation.

How this got to be a negative commentary on Irvin beyond his simple point is beyond me.

 

[Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius]

And Irvin's empathy comes from him being in a similar situation.

How this got to be a negative commentary on Irvin beyond his simple point is beyond me- tyke1doe

It's simple, Vick is to be destroyed. Anyone who says anything other than that, gets these people's anger turned on them.

Emmitt got it in a post
Deion Got it in a post
Anyone who says anything, anything other than Vick is an evil *******
reminicent of Hanibal Lechter, Is to be dealt with.

 

[riggo]

I think he gets it more than you do.

Posters seem to be taking Irvin's column too literally.

All Irvin is saying is that taking Vick away from the game would hurt him because Vick defines himself as a football player.

Irvin is not weighing in on whether the NFL is RIGHT or WRONG in doing so.

He's just focusing on how much football means to Vick and how Vick draws solace from being at camp and on the field.

And Irvin's empathy comes from him being in a similar situation.

How this got to be a negative commentary on Irvin beyond his simple point is beyond me.

i understand what youre saying.

i think when people say things like 'i hurt for him' and 'i worry about him', most people are less sympathetic given the crimes hes accused of and the choices he apparently made.