Arbitrator found NFL encouraged teams to collude regarding guaranteed contracts

RustyBourneHorse said:
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...ams-to-collude-regarding-guaranteed-contracts


I don't know if this has been posted, but sounds like there's potential collusion in the NFL regarding contracts. I think this is probably well known anyway, or, at least, largely suspected. But here's a development that has come out this week.
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Seems like a big nothing burger to me. The NFL colluded about the guarantees but no proof teams actually went through with it.
 
This is clickbait. NFL won the case. Article hinges on the NFL giving teams what appears to be good financial advice i.e. that teams are giving out too much guaranteed money. Us Cowboys fans are very aware of the impact of giving out large guaranteed contracts to players who underperform.
 
I have no problem with the NFL "encouraging" teams on guaranteed contracts. But there is a difference between encouragement and actual collusion. Given some of the contracts that have been handed out since the Watson deal, my guess is teams did not head the NFL's encouragement. Just because there have no been anymore full guaranteed gargantuan contracts does not mean there was collusion. The Brown's deal with Watson was the height of dumbness. I am sure every other team in the league was smacking their head in bewilderment.

Now, if you want real collusion, out in the open and 100% provable, look no further than the league punishing Dallas and Washington for exceeding the salary CAP the year when the CBA had expired and technically there was no salary CAP. The NFL held the owners to the old CBA despite no legal justification, then penalized Dallas and Washington for violating a non-existent rule. Clearly, the league told teams not to exceed certain limits on contracts and the teams agreed - except for Dallas and Washington. Even more incriminating is the fact that the NFLPA did not file a grievance and the two teams did not file a lawsuit. Obviously, there was some kind of back room deal sealed with a wink or a nod. Dallas and Washington appealed to the league and lost, but never took the matter to court, probably because they feared retribution.
 
RustyBourneHorse said:
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...ams-to-collude-regarding-guaranteed-contracts


I don't know if this has been posted, but sounds like there's potential collusion in the NFL regarding contracts. I think this is probably well known anyway, or, at least, largely suspected. But here's a development that has come out this week.
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I think Florio is wrong here. If the NFL Management Committee offers guidance on contracts, that is not collusion. It is not encouraging collusion. The NFL has a right to offer guidance in the best interests of the league, and I think most would agree, fully guaranteeing contracts has the potential to hurt individual teams financially, and thus hurt the league in general. The Management Council offered guidance to the teams which either accepted it or didn't. Remember, this occurred shortly after the Browns gave Deshaun Watson a fully guaranteed contract. No one thought what the Browns did made sense.
 
Good. Hope they continue. Too much guaranteed money leads to a much lesser product.

And shocker of all shockers, a business wants to pay the players who produce!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Think of it this way, more guaranteed money for some means less money for others. Would you rather have DLaw making 15 mil for not being on the roster or spend 15 mil on youngsters developing and playing hard? Someone is getting the money, it's not about owner's greed, not even a little.
 
csirl said:
This is clickbait. NFL won the case. Article hinges on the NFL giving teams what appears to be good financial advice i.e. that teams are giving out too much guaranteed money. Us Cowboys fans are very aware of the impact of giving out large guaranteed contracts to players who underperform.
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No doubt, and obviously the NFL is untouchable on something like this. Still, kinda crappy of the owners. But it'll probably be a subject for the next CBA. I'm guessing (and I heard it also as an idea from YouTuber UTree, but it was just an idea) that it'll probably be 18 games in exchange for fully guaranteed contracts.
 
Creeper said:
I have no problem with the NFL "encouraging" teams on guaranteed contracts. But there is a difference between encouragement and actual collusion. Given some of the contracts that have been handed out since the Watson deal, my guess is teams did not head the NFL's encouragement. Just because there have no been anymore full guaranteed gargantuan contracts does not mean there was collusion. The Brown's deal with Watson was the height of dumbness. I am sure every other team in the league was smacking their head in bewilderment.

Now, if you want real collusion, out in the open and 100% provable, look no further than the league punishing Dallas and Washington for exceeding the salary CAP the year when the CBA had expired and technically there was no salary CAP. The NFL held the owners to the old CBA despite no legal justification, then penalized Dallas and Washington for violating a non-existent rule. Clearly, the league told teams not to exceed certain limits on contracts and the teams agreed - except for Dallas and Washington. Even more incriminating is the fact that the NFLPA did not file a grievance and the two teams did not file a lawsuit. Obviously, there was some kind of back room deal sealed with a wink or a nod. Dallas and Washington appealed to the league and lost, but never took the matter to court, probably because they feared retribution.
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I forgot about that. Yeah, that was ridiculous how we and Washington got fined for that.
 
RustyBourneHorse said:
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profo...ams-to-collude-regarding-guaranteed-contracts


I don't know if this has been posted, but sounds like there's potential collusion in the NFL regarding contracts. I think this is probably well known anyway, or, at least, largely suspected. But here's a development that has come out this week.
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Quote from the article;

"The real journalism (and the only real journalism) in this space comes from finding out the things “they” don’t want us to know."

Retort;

We also found out that "journalism" also produces things that don't really exist and collude to perpetuate it for years until its disproven.......correction on page 17.
 
If there is more guaranteed player compensation in effect now than three years ago collusion becomes a trickier conversation. Guaranteeing compensation to guys before they play a down in the NFL was bargained for by the NFLPA. That is indication that guaranteed compensation is an issue to be bargained for. Of course players will have to give the owners something of equal value to get that in the next CBA.

And there is now an alternative to playing football professionally in the US. The rules and stipulations the NCAA puts on players could be viewed as an unfair advantage enjoyed by another pay for play football league.
 
KingCorcoran said:
If there is more guaranteed player compensation in effect now than three years ago collusion becomes a trickier conversation. Guaranteeing compensation to guys before they play a down in the NFL was bargained for by the NFLPA. That is indication that guaranteed compensation is an issue to be bargained for. Of course players will have to give the owners something of equal value to get that in the next CBA.

And there is now an alternative to playing football professionally in the US. The rules and stipulations the NCAA puts on players could be viewed as an unfair advantage enjoyed by another pay for play football league.
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I could see it becoming part of the next CBA where it would be for a second contract or something in exchange for an 18th game.
 
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