Archer: The Cowboys made an offer to Dak within the last week

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

If they made 2 offers this past week and neither signed not good. Means they are going to have to up their game.

 

[DCreppinBoysfan]

He needs a lot of help? They all need a lot of help to win.

They do. But have you seen our last three postseason losses. Dak has arguably had the most talent help on offense in the last three years year but you can’t tell. Its one thing to lose but our losses haven’t even been competitive on offense

 

[Adreme]

I think Dak's market value is $60M/yr and his true value is closer to $30M or $40M.

It's not a Dak thing, it's a QB market thing. I actually like Dak more than most fans here. But QB salaries are out of whack.

I mean not really. A top 10 QB is worth drastically more than any other position. There are maybe 16 franchise level QBs in the NFL and those are the only 16 teams that have a chance to do ANYTHING in the playoffs beyond sneak in and get bounced in the first round. History shows this. Having one of the 16 does not guarantee success but not having one means you wont have that success barring an all time great defense (spoiler those are very rare). You dont need Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, or Lamar, but you do need a franchise level guy. Them being that rare means they get paid like it.

As an example the Vikings just paid Jefferson 35m and despite being in playoff contention after a rough start (before Cousins got hurt), they are not a true playoff contender anymore because they dont have that guy. They are now considered the 4th best team in that division and the top 2 teams both have that guy. When you go around the NFL, the favorites in just about every division are teams with the guy at QB and the teams that are expected to do poorly do not have that guy.

 

[Frozen700]

See ya in 5.

Worst type of fan

You don’t care if we win or lose. As long as we just sign a guy “you like”

 

[Frozen700]

That comment doesn’t make any sense. I’m not going anywhere.

She is a troll.

Just blindly roots for anything

 

[acr731]

They’re ridiculous. And it looks like all the NFL players are trying to maximize their worth.

Maximize their worth, or vastly exceed it with unreasonable demands?

 

[Hawkeye0202]

When you go around the NFL, the favorites in just about every division are teams with the guy at QB and the teams that are expected to do poorly do not have that guy.

1000% ......I think some look at how Burrow, Stroud and Allen turned their teams from perennial losers to playoff-off contenders. They see the success of Hurts, Tua and Herbert. What they don't seem to understand is every team with a successful franchise QB requires different paths and all come with significant risk. As we all have seen drafting one high reduces your risk a bit but still doesn't offer much guarantee.

There is a reason why top franchise QBs are rarely traded or released except nearing the end of their career or injury issues. Even then it only happens after usually 10 or more years with one team. Here is what we know.......with Dak, we have a solid 10 top QB position but without him, we risk dropping near the bottom of the league coz there is no viable replacement. In other words, it could set us back at least 3 years if we are lucky.

 

[DuncanIso]

If they sign Dak, it’ll set the franchise back at least 5 years.

Yup.

There's a ton of dead money left on the current deal.

We're on the hook for $52 million through 2015-2026.

They might be looking for a 1 year deal. Try to move that dead money out further somehow.

whatever it is, it benefits Dallas. Not Dak.

 

[Diehardblues]

If they sign Dak, it’ll set the franchise back at least 5 years.

It’s a Catch 22. We could go 5 years before we find another QB who can lead us to playoffs .

Unfortunately we didn’t draft a heir apparent in position to take over now . Or we could have already traded him.

 

[Vtwin]

did you see what he just signed for last week? It was huge. Dallas nor Dak will not go that route. Both sides will want a short term commitment. Only way I see Dak signing a long deal is if we plan on signing Ceedee and Micah now as well. Signing Dak is key in doing so. It frees up cap.

I don't see how a two year deal is going to free up cap. There is no room to move the cap hits. You need a longer to deal get that flexibility.

 

[DuncanIso]

It’s a Catch 22. We could go 5 years before we find another QB who can lead us to playoffs .

Unfortunately we didn’t draft a heir apparent in position to take over now . Or we could have already traded him.

#Lance

 

[Diehardblues]

#Lance

I don’t believe he was brought in to be heir apparent. And he certainly hasn’t shown us enough to move on.

 

[Rockport]

Maximize their worth, or vastly exceed it with unreasonable demands?

Talk to Love and Tua, Burrow, Goff, Herbert, Jackson and hurst who all make more than $50 mill APY.

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

His true value is over 55.

The final number has been $57-58 for two years. Both sides are just quibbling over a couple million on AAV and probably a bit on guarantees.

It's no different than when his number was obviously going to be ~$40m last time.

 

[aikemirv]

His true value is over 55.

Value would mean what you bring to the team, he does not bring 1/5th of the team cap in value. I could take that and sign three All Pro OL and line up a lesser QB back there with protection and still make it to the same place in the playoffs, maybe even farther with the improved run game I would get.

 

[montgod]

I don’t believe he was brought in to be heir apparent. And he certainly hasn’t shown us enough to move on.

I think the plan was he could be the heir apparent, but since he hasn't looked very good, from recent reports I've read, they might be rethinking going ahead and re-signing Dak instead.

 

[Diehardblues]

Value would mean what you bring to the team, he does not bring 1/5th of the team cap in value. I could take that and sign three All Pro OL and line up a lesser QB back there with protection and still make it to the same place in the playoffs, maybe even farther with the improved run game I would get.

Maybe if your defense could prevent opponent from scoring. If not and you have to come from behind then you have to throw the ball. Especially against the better defenses who’d shut down a one dimensional offense.

And that’s assuming you can go out and sign 3 All Pro OL

 

[Diehardblues]

I think the plan was he could be the heir apparent, but since he hasn't looked very good, from recent reports I've read, they might be rethinking going ahead and re-signing Dak instead.

I’d argue they brought Lance in as insurance hopeful he might provide more than SF saw. Which as you say isn’t looking good so far as he might not beat out Rush.

Considering Lance was a 1st round pick I think Jethro wanted to dangle that out there since so many have criticized him for not drafting a QB that high this era. And maybe provide some leverage, probably not, in negotiations with Prescott.

But yea, I think it was always our intention to resign Dak. And since this is Rush last season most likely as 2nd year deal is up, maybe just maybe Lance will show enough to offer him a contract next year as backup.

 

[Brooksey]

Dak wants 4 years 250M..we should walk.

Build the #1 defense with the money, draft a QB and few young RB's. Sign Lamb, Parsons, Lance.

 

[DandyDon52]

What matters is that the Cowboys will be stuck with him for at least three or four years.
More of the same.

well that is the case, no matter what his salary is.
I am just saying if your going to sign him why hassle over a few million ??
that no trade clause is what needs to go.

Cowboys aside from lance, have done nothing to be ready for dak to not sign here, so I think in jerrys mind he was always going to sign this big 3.
They know it agents know it so it is all a joke.

I would make them 1 offer, and if they dont take it I would start working on trades, and life without them on the team.

Cowboys would be better off to trade lamb and dak and have all that money to spend on the team.
They would have 95 million a year to buy other players, maybe a top DT, 2 good LB, a top RB , a top wr etc etc.

Probably would have more success than paying dak and lamb, when they cant carry a team, and usually no very good in playoffs/.