Are draft picks overvalued?

[Stash]

Draft picks in general aren't over rated. Hoping your team tanks if they get off to a bad start to move up a few places on the draft board is massively over rated.

There's nothing more "overrated" than sorry coaches getting meaningless wins to save their own hides.

This past year? If we don't "win" that pathetic week seventeen game, we're looking at Derwin James and our safety need filled over LVE.

In 2015, if we didn't win a meaningless game against Washington, we're picking Carson Wentz at quarterback at #2 overall instead of drafting a running back at #4.

But hey, we've still got Garrett and Co., right? Right?

 

[xwalker]

Draft picks are scratch off tickets

They have more value until you scratch them...the potential is like a drug to some people..... but they are more like Schrodinger's Cat....once you open the box it all changes

They can be jackpot winners, $5 winners or worthless

If you can turn an unscratched ticket into an All-Pro that is a deal you take every time

The vast majority of All Pros were drafted...

 

[Bullflop]

If draft picks are overvalued, we're in serious trouble.

Let's just hope they're not in our case, shall we?

 

[xwalker]

That is pretty similar to getting a HoF outside the Top10

There are different levels of wins but most Draft Picks are lucky to be starters for 4 years

Most players that start for more than 4 years were drafted...

 

[Nightman]

There's nothing more "overrated" than sorry coaches getting meaningless wins to save their own hides.

This past year? If we don't "win" that pathetic week seventeen game, we're looking at Derwin James and our safety need filled over LVE.

In 2015, if we didn't win a meaningless game against Washington, we're picking Carson Wentz at quarterback at #2 overall instead of drafting a running back at #4.

But hey, we've still got Garrett and Co., right? Right?

We could have moved up and got DJames....everyone else did

that is a cop out for crying about actually trying to win games

 

[JoeyBoy718]

They are overvalued in DAL and on this board

There are 3 ways to build a team
1- Draft picks and UDFAs
2- Sign Free Agents and retain your own
3- Make Trades

We only do 1 anymore because Carr turned out to be a let down..... he was a 5 year starter but never worth the 50m.... we didn't stop drafting people because we traded up for and over-drafted Claiborne but we abandoned big time FA because of Carr

Our Trading history is also pretty bad since HWalker.... the Galloway and RWilliams disasters overshadow any little wins

Basically we don't make ANY big moves any more..... we are all in on Drafting and Comp Picks and re-signing our own guys....... we need to do a lot more in FA and Trades to truly be great again

Draft picks aren't gold.....they are just currency that we can use or trade to build a team

I agree. There are different ways to trade/sign veterans.

1. Dumpster dive: We do this a lot. These rarely pay off. The ones that do pay off are usually solid role players (see Jeremy Mincey). But these guys are cheap for a reason. You're not gonna find any All-Pros here.
2. Big splashes: These are your proven, elite/above-average veterans. These surprisingly have a low-guarantee because teams aren't willing to give these guys up unless they have a good reason to (e.g. serious character issues, injuries, past their primes, too expensive). You also tend to overpay by giving above-average players elite money. The smart approach is probably resigning your own guys rather than getting somebody else's.
3. Quality signings: These are your above-average players who don't break the bank. They can also be elite players on one-year prove-it deals. Some recent Super Bowl champions built some solid units out of these kinds of singings (e.g. Patriots' secondary, Seahawks' D-line). This is what we're bad at.

 

[Nightman]

Most players that start for more than 4 years were drafted...

And most scratchers give you your money back until they don't

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Why draft cheap young talent when you can pay retail on vets based on past performance?

 

[Stash]

We could have moved up and got DJames....everyone else did

And if the "king of meaningless wins" didn't go all out to save his own hide, we wouldn't have to.

that is a cop out for crying about actually trying to win games

Win games that count.

Win games that matter.

But the fact is that Garrett and company can't. They never have.

How many week seventeen win and you're in games did they have? How many of those did they win? Zero. None. Zilch. But give them a week seventeen game with no playoff implications whatsoever? Yeah, they'll go all out and put their starting quarterback and running back in harms way all day.

After all, got to "win"....

 

[DBOY3141]

There's nothing more "overrated" than sorry coaches getting meaningless wins to save their own hides.

This past year? If we don't "win" that pathetic week seventeen game, we're looking at Derwin James and our safety need filled over LVE.

In 2015, if we didn't win a meaningless game against Washington, we're picking Carson Wentz at quarterback at #2 overall instead of drafting a running back at #4.

But hey, we've still got Garrett and Co., right? Right?

I think they still draft LVE over James. Probably outside of Vea, LVE was their main target.

 

[jay94]

In a nutshell absolutely. Once in a while you can get an amazing player, but I am willing to bet most first round picks are viewed as busts as their career's progress.

 

[Stash]

I think they still draft LVE over James. Probably outside of Vea, LVE was their main target.

You could be right. But already, in retrospect, their moves and decisions look questionable.

 

[Nightman]

Most players that start for more than 4 years were drafted...

But how many draft picks does it take to get a 4 year starter......multiple

most DON'T become 4 year starters

 

[Nightman]

And if the "king of meaningless wins" didn't go all out to save his own hide, we wouldn't have to.



Win games that count.

Win games that matter.

But the fact is that Garrett and company can't. They never have.

How many week seventeen win and you're in games did they have? How many of those did they win? Zero. None. Zilch. But give them a week seventeen game with no playoff implications whatsoever? Yeah, they'll go all out and put their starting quarterback and running back in harms way all day.

After all, got to "win"....

waaa waaaa

you play to win the game

screw the draft picks...... it a losers mentality

 

[DBOY3141]

You could be right. But already, in retrospect, their moves and decisions look questionable.

very much agree. which is why we haven't competed for an NFCG in 20 plus years.

 

[Stash]

waaa waaaa

you play to win the game

screw the draft picks...... it a losers mentality

No, the "loser's mentality" is a coach screwing up a franchise to save his own ***.

That's the loser.

You can't refute any of the facts I presented. The awful truth of things. When it counts, Garrett is a loser. When the games matter, he's a loser. His "play to win the game" doesn't add up to jack **** then, does it? Oh and what happened to the team that played like they didn't care in last year's week seventeen matchup? How didn't that team that knew when to pack it in fare? How did the rest of their season turn out?

"Waaaaa waaaaaa". Cry about the facts. Cry about the truth. Cry about the fact that this clown risked the franchise quarterback and running back being injured in a meaningless game just to save his own *** from 8-8 and possibly being rightly fired.

Some of us root for the Dallas Cowboys, and what's in the team's best interests overall. Now and in the future. We don't root for the Jason Garretts. A guy who's "win" mantra only works when it doesn't matter.

The only thing he accomplishes is screwing up draft standing and saving his own worthless hide.

 

[Stash]

very much agree. which is why we haven't competed for an NFCG in 20 plus years.

Looking back just a few months, and they could have drafted Will Hernandez in round one, traded that second rounder for Earl Thomas (which Seattle was willing yo accept then), and still taken Gallup in round three. Nothing against LVE, but the guy is a backup and a luxury right now, while the team has serious starting needs.

The season hasn't even started yet and there's valid reason to second guess their decisions.

 

[Nightman]

No, the "loser's mentality" is a coach screwing up a franchise to save his own ***.

That's the loser.

You can't refute any of the facts I presented. The awful truth of things. When it counts, Garrett is a loser. When the games matter, he's a loser. His "play to win the game" doesn't add up to jack **** then, does it? Oh and what happened to the team that played like they didn't care in last year's week seventeen matchup? How didn't that team that knew when to pack it in fare? How did the rest of their season turn out?

"Waaaaa waaaaaa". Cry about the facts. Cry about the truth. Cry about the fact that this clown risked the franchise quarterback and running back being injured in a meaningless game just to save his own *** from 8-8 and possibly being rightly fired.

Some of us root for the Dallas Cowboys, and what's in the team's best interests overall. Now and in the future. We don't root for the Jason Garretts. A guy who's "win" mantra only works when it doesn't matter.

The only thing he accomplishes is screwing up draft standing and saving his own worthless hide.

 

[Stash]

Don't think I'm worked up at you. I'm just all to well aware of the M.O. of Garrett and this staff. And the well-established history of his winning the games that don't matter, when we're out of it, and failing to win the ones that do count. Achieving nothing more than to screw up this team's draft standing while saving his own hide.

It's nothing personal with you.

 

[erod]

Draft picks are overvalued. So is free agency.

The key is to hit on as many draft picks as possible and fill in the gaps with free agency.

We used to the latter but not the former. Now we do the former but not the latter.

One day we'll figure this out.