Are electric cars the future?

[Rockport]

Why should anyone think YOUR facts mean anything?
ONE site is the be all and end all of facts?
that is pathetic

 

[1942willys]

yep, like I said you have no ability to recognize that your facts are just opinions like everyone elses here
You can post a dozen sites that support you; and I can find a dozen sites that say you are full of it

 

[Flamma]

yep, like I said you have no ability to recognize that your facts are just opinions like everyone elses here
You can post a dozen sites that support you; and I can find a dozen sites that say you are full of it

I think it's pretty clear that there has been an EV slow down in enthusiasm. Otherwise manufacturers wouldn't be cutting back on production. It's a cool new thing that attracts a segment of the population. It even grabs my interest, but not as a primary car. If I'm going to spend a lot of money on a car, I'm not buying an EV. I'll be buying a new car soon, and been looking at the Jaguar F-Pace. If there's one thing EVs have over gas cars, it's acceleration at a lower cost. If I want an F-Pace SVR it goes 0-60 in 3.8 seconds. But it's close to 100k. The regular F-pace is closer to 60k with a 5.1 0-60. Which is good enough for me.

 

[HungryLion]

Technological advances are great. But the key word is at the end of that sentence.

I think it’s inevitable. There will be bumps and roadblocks along the way. Just like any burgeoning technology, but it’s inevitable. It’s just a matter of how long.

Don’t get me wrong. I love muscle cars. I have always loved the classic mustangs, corvettes, chargers, etc etc.

But given the natural progression of technology and the fact that technologies advance on a J curve. Compounding on top of each other. EV’s and non fossil fuel power generation will be light years ahead of where they are now.

 

[Flamma]

I think it’s inevitable. There will be bumps and roadblocks along the way. Just like any burgeoning technology, but it’s inevitable. It’s just a matter of how long.

Don’t get me wrong. I love muscle cars. I have always loved the classic mustangs, corvettes, chargers, etc etc.

But given the natural progression of technology and the fact that technologies advance on a J curve. Compounding on top of each other. EV’s and non fossil fuel power generation will be light years ahead of where they are now.

That may very well be the case sometime in the future. I just think they should let the technology speak for itself. At some point during that J curve, it will become the better choice. Once that happens, people will choose the better option. The only reason incentives or mandates are needed to compel people to make a choice, is because it's not the better choice at that given time.

 

[John813]

It'll eventually become more popular.

That being said, the rapid want by the Govt to push EV's doesn't meet the current market wants.
Ford went hard on the EV Lightning, saw ADMs on the first wave and now Ford has cut production in half.
Same with the Mach-E. Initial craze to be the first to own it, but then it wore off and they are sitting on lots.

I sort of wish there was more of a push towards hybrid based vehicles in regards to a mix of gas/electric engine/motors instead of going straight to EV. People can run on gas if need be, but if conditions are right the vehicle can run on electric.

 

[HungryLion]

That may very well be the case sometime in the future. I just think they should let the technology speak for itself. At some point during that J curve, it will become the better choice. Once that happens, people will choose the better option. The only reason incentives or mandates are needed to compel people to make a choice, is because it's not the better choice at that given time.

It’s a little tougher when time is not on societies side.

 

[Reality]

Electric-powered technologies and devices need 3 things to gain widespread traction with the public ..

1) low or affordable costs (money)
2) long-lasting charges (money, time and convenience)
3) widely available fast-charging process (time and convenience).

The mistake is that so many people and companies are pushing electric vehicles (EVs) when they should be pushing for a better energy generation and distribution system first.

I am sure the idea was to use EV demand to drive innovation and modernization of our energy generation and distribution systems, but we already have a lot of technology that uses electricity so the smart strategy would be to focus heavily on completely replacing our very old electric energy systems first.

If we could generate a lot more electric power through whatever methods (solar, wind, hydro, nuclear, etc.) to the point where there is more than enough power for everyone all of the time (no rolling/planned blackouts) and where energy costs drop so low that no one thinks twice about using electric devices as often as they want, then a lot more people would be open and even excited to invest in EVs as well as many other technological advances.

 

[zrinkill]

A representation of some old guy headed to Thailand in his future car to check Adam's apples.

 

[CyberB0b]

Electric-powered technologies and devices need 3 things to gain widespread traction with the public ..

1) low or affordable costs (money)
2) long-lasting charges (money, time and convenience)
3) widely available fast-charging process (time and convenience).

The mistake is that so many people and companies are pushing electric vehicles (EVs) when they should be pushing for a better energy generation and distribution system first.

I am sure the idea was to use EV demand to drive innovation and modernization of our energy generation and distribution systems, but we already have a lot of technology that uses electricity so the smart strategy would be to focus heavily on completely replacing our very old electric energy systems first.

If we could generate a lot more electric power through whatever methods (solar, wind, hydro, nuclear, etc.) to the point where there is more than enough power for everyone all of the time (no rolling/planned blackouts) and where energy costs drop so low that no one thinks twice about using electric devices as often as they want, then a lot more people would be open and even excited to invest in EVs as well as many other technological advances.

Yeah, our electrical infrastructure is really old. It needs to be completely revamped, and the power delivery problem has already been solved with nuclear power.

 

[SlammedZero]

So, funny as it may be that this thread is currently going, I got to ride in an Ford F-150 Lightning earlier. One of our vendors bought one for their office fleet. It's a nice truck, I like it. It gets up and moves for a big 1/2 ton truck. Love the extra cargo capacity with the frunk. It's just too bad it doesn't have a serious tow range. I'd consider it if I could actually tow my trailer somewhere with it.

 

[1942willys]

It’s a little tougher when time is not on societies side.

yawn

 

[1942willys]

Yeah, our electrical infrastructure is really old. It needs to be completely revamped, and the power delivery problem has already been solved with nuclear power.

and that is the real problem tech wise. The electrical grid is not set up for this; its straining as it is now. We are talking hundreds of billions that need to be spent on it and so far its not happening. Those calling for all electrical vehicles in less than 15 years are absolutely silent on all that would need to happen before that is possible

 

[HungryLion]

yawn

Thought provoking and mature response. Thanks

 

[1942willys]

Thought provoking and mature response. Thanks

I gave your post the respect it deserved

 

[Flamma]

A few more issues.

People are cutting cables for the copper.

Another major concern, what prevents an EV from driving off with the cable still attached to the vehicle?

 

[HungryLion]

I gave your post the respect it deserved

Don’t worry my expectations for you were very low.

 

[1942willys]

Don’t worry my expectations for you were very low.

my expectations for you are nonexistent

 

[1942willys]

A few more issues.

People are cutting cables for the copper.

Another major concern, what prevents an EV from driving off with the cable still attached to the vehicle?

That is going to be interesting, charging stations anywhere near high crime areas. And enough people every year drive off with gas hoses still attached so it will be the same there.

 

[HungryLion]

my expectations for you are nonexistent

You seem really aggressive and emotional in this thread. Not really sure why.