Are pass rush DE's obsolete?

[stilltheguru88]

I'd rather control the interior. Especially in our division with the lack of mobile qbs.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Not just because we don't have any at the moment, but in today's NFL (and in Marinelli's defense) are pass rushing DE's becoming obsolete? Meaning with the prevalence of 3 step drops and quick passes to WRs within 5 yards when DB's cannot touch WRs, is it necessary to have a premier outside pass rusher that will to typically have time to get to the QB (except maybe on 3rd and long)? Not saying this is a conscious strategy by our FO (I don't give them that much credit), but maybe the pass rush by DT's right in the QBs face is far more important. And the Tyronne Crawfords, David Irvings, Maleik Collins, and Cedric Thorntons rushing right in the QB's face (not to mention LB blitzes in the G-C gap) are more important. Just a thought.

Not if you play a Garrett style offense. Garrett's offense doesn't call for 3 step drops and quick outs. Some of our plays take longer to develop than Dan Bailey running a 40 yard dash. So while other offenses are uses quick outs, and 3 step drops, pass rushers will probably flourish against our offense.

 

[RS12]

I expect two Alabama and one Tennessee outside pass rushers to go round one in 2017 so the answer is no.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Nothing has changed, build from the middle out, QB, OLine, DL, Skill Positions. Jerry couldn't do it in 20 years, except with Jimmy Johnson, they did it in 2 years.

 

[xwalker]

Not if you play a Garrett style offense. Garrett's offense doesn't call for 3 step drops and quick outs. Some of our plays take longer to develop than Dan Bailey running a 40 yard dash. So while other offenses are uses quick outs, and 3 step drops, pass rushers will probably flourish against our offense.

Romo says interior pressure is bigger problem than pressure from the outside.

 

[Verdict]

I am going to go way out on a limb and say NO, its not remotely obsolete. But I personally think that inside pressure is more disruptive than outside pressure.

 

[xwalker]

Not just because we don't have any at the moment, but in today's NFL (and in Marinelli's defense) are pass rushing DE's becoming obsolete? Meaning with the prevalence of 3 step drops and quick passes to WRs within 5 yards when DB's cannot touch WRs, is it necessary to have a premier outside pass rusher that will to typically have time to get to the QB (except maybe on 3rd and long)? Not saying this is a conscious strategy by our FO (I don't give them that much credit), but maybe the pass rush by DT's right in the QBs face is far more important. And the Tyronne Crawfords, David Irvings, Maleik Collins, and Cedric Thorntons rushing right in the QB's face (not to mention LB blitzes in the G-C gap) are more important. Just a thought.

It has always been Marinelli's theory that the 3-tech DT is more important than the DEs. His scheme made a super star out of Warren Sapp.

If you study the Cowboys DL, you can see that the DEs often sacrifice their chances for pressure because Marinelli is scheming to get the DT freed up to get pressure.

Sure on third and long against a non-mobile QB the DEs get their chance to go all out pass rush; however, if the QB is a threat to run they often play a somewhat contain style even on 3rd and long.

Offenses that use short quick passes eventually have to go to slower longer developing passes on 3rd and long. That is when you have the best chance to get pressure on a QB like Eli; otherwise you need the quick middle pressure to get to him or you need good coverage. LBs have to be good in coverage as well as the DBs.

 

[LocimusPrime]

DEs are still dominating the top 20 in sacks and pressures, so they are still very effective and important. When Tampa bay won the Super Bowl in 2002, Simeon Rice had 15.5 sacks, Warren Sapp 7.5, and w Greg Spires and Ellis Wyms adding a collective 9 sacks from the other end position. During Rod's stay in Tampa, the Bucs had more sacks than any other team.

IMO, Things work the best when you have a great DE and a awesome DT, but the DE position is still one of the most important, well paid, and highly coveted positions in football. Those guys get paid when they can consistently produce sacks.

 

[superonyx]

I see your point. However. Von Miller won the superbowl basically single handedly

Von Miller is a LB though.

Getting pressure on the QB is extremely important.
But if you look at the defenses like Denver, Seattle, Carolina you will notice that they scheme pressure. It comes from all angles in carefully timed waves. Confusing the offense is how they generate pressure. When they need to pressure the QB they don't just send 4 guys and hope for the best. They send waves after the QB. Of course these teams have excellent players in the secondary like Richard Sherman, Josh Norman, Talib, Kam Chancellor ect. The linebackers are just as good if not better on these 3 teams.

So based on the defenses that generate the most pressure on the offenses and how they are getting pressure I can agree that you don't need amazing pass rushing DE's. But you better have excellent LBers and Corners and Safety that can consistently do their jobs.

We are missing a few pieces.

 

[Risen Star]

Ah, more of that short passing game eliminates the effectiveness of a pass rush nonsense.

Bathe in it. He was probably throwing his remote when we passed on Ramsey.

 

[Jenky]

Not just because we don't have any at the moment, but in today's NFL (and in Marinelli's defense) are pass rushing DE's becoming obsolete? Meaning with the prevalence of 3 step drops and quick passes to WRs within 5 yards when DB's cannot touch WRs, is it necessary to have a premier outside pass rusher that will to typically have time to get to the QB (except maybe on 3rd and long)? Not saying this is a conscious strategy by our FO (I don't give them that much credit), but maybe the pass rush by DT's right in the QBs face is far more important. And the Tyronne Crawfords, David Irvings, Maleik Collins, and Cedric Thorntons rushing right in the QB's face (not to mention LB blitzes in the G-C gap) are more important. Just a thought.

I can live with 3 step drops and quick passes which severely limits the opponent's passing game. I can't live with allowing the other QB to have 10 seconds to throw, which is virtually a guaranteed big play.

 

[Falco78]

Cowboys DE are.

What are these Cowboys DE's you speak of?

 

[Craig]

If you dont have a pass rush, the qb has all day. If the qb has all day then the wrs have all day to escape coverage. A mediocre receiver will shake double coverage by sherman and revis if given enough time.

If the des are awful then the line can put more men on the dts.

 

[phildadon86]

How many guys like that are in the league? How many are paired with an older version of them?

Not many. However the question was about premier rushing ends. Isn't that what miller is?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Not just because we don't have any at the moment, but in today's NFL (and in Marinelli's defense) are pass rushing DE's becoming obsolete? Meaning with the prevalence of 3 step drops and quick passes to WRs within 5 yards when DB's cannot touch WRs, is it necessary to have a premier outside pass rusher that will to typically have time to get to the QB (except maybe on 3rd and long)? Not saying this is a conscious strategy by our FO (I don't give them that much credit), but maybe the pass rush by DT's right in the QBs face is far more important. And the Tyronne Crawfords, David Irvings, Maleik Collins, and Cedric Thorntons rushing right in the QB's face (not to mention LB blitzes in the G-C gap) are more important. Just a thought.

LOL............wow.

 

[superonyx]

Not many. However the question was about premier rushing ends. Isn't that what miller is?

No.. Miller is a 250lbs outside Linebacker from the 3-4.

You wouldnt put him on the edge in our 4-3 and expect him to rush from our DE position with a hand on the ground.

 

[conner01]

Elite pass rushers are no different than elite qb's. There are positions where the difference between good and elite is not that much. But qb's and pass rushers are not those positions. There are only a handful of elite pass rushers inside or outside

 

[sbark]

I expect two Alabama and one Tennessee outside pass rushers to go round one in 2017 so the answer is no.

Yup that walker kid from Seminole destroyed Ole miss 2nd half

 

[Richmond Cowboy]

I'd rather control the interior. Especially in our division with the lack of mobile qbs.

I agree. Eli is far more dangerous when he steps up in the pocket than when he is flushed to the outside.

 

[Aven8]

Not when you run the JG offense. Romo was injured by a DE.

And on 3 step drops Hardy got to Brady twice last year.