Are The Cowboys Super Bowl Contenders?

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boy I wish I knew what theprophet thought about all this

 

[firehawk350]

Interesting way to look at it... but it means nothing... we had JJ who had 4 TD's and Owens had 13 TD's and Barber had 14 TD's. JJ had something to do with Owens getting 13 and Barber getting 14.

Okay, Barber had 14 TDs... Jones had 4 TDs... The difference there is roughly 3 times the TDs.
Jones had 1084 yards and Barber had 654. For simple math's sake, Barber had almost half the yards. The comparison doesn't hang well with me because Witten has 2838 vs. Cooley's projected (assuming a relatively average season for him) 2572. The difference is roughly 250 yards. That's approximately 11% of the total. So in yards gained, Witten maintains a 11% edge. Cooley has (projecting again) 26 TDs and Witten has 14. The total difference is 46%. So Cooley has a much larger edge in TDs vs. Witten's edge in yards.

 

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[firehawk350]

That's an interesting thought. But the factor from the rest of the team is not that enormous, as is borne out by Kellen Winslow being ranked 6th and Alge Crumpler 5th. Washington scored more points than both of them, but they were more integral parts of their offenses.

Cooley just grades out lower. He's still a good TE. Third best in a division full of good TEs ain't bad - you could maybe even put him second, since Shockey has suspect hands and acts up if he isn't THE focus. But Cooley's not better than Witten.

Crumpler (statisically) had a better year then both Witten and Cooley. Of course he's going to play a bigger role, he's the only one that Vick throws to.

 

[burmafrd]

Love how desperately he is trying to justify Cooley. I guess its interesting that Cooley has never sniffed the Pro Bowl, and is not considered even a top 10 TE. He is a good H-Back; he will never be a good TE. H-Backs are of limited use compared to a real TE like Witten. Ask around the NFL who would you take if you have a choice ; WItten or Cooley. Probably 28 or 29 NF Head coaches would all say WITTEN.

 

[firehawk350]

Haha, he's always been a clown... He's one helluva teammate, always upbeat and funny. Real personable guy by all accounts.

 

[firehawk350]

Love how desperately he is trying to justify Cooley. I guess its interesting that Cooley has never sniffed the Pro Bowl, and is not considered even a top 10 TE. He is a good H-Back; he will never be a good TE. H-Backs are of limited use compared to a real TE like Witten. Ask around the NFL who would you take if you have a choice ; WItten or Cooley. Probably 28 or 29 NF Head coaches would all say WITTEN.

Hahaha, yeah right dude. Cooley was on a losing team, and pro bowl is based on who is the most popular. Popularity has a lot to do with winning. Being on a losing team hurts. And in 05, it was a classification problem, he was ranked with FBs who were sent based more on blocking ability.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Okay, Barber had 14 TDs... Jones had 4 TDs... The difference there is roughly 3 times the TDs.
Jones had 1084 yards and Barber had 654. For simple math's sake, Barber had almost half the yards. The comparison doesn't hang well with me because Witten has 2838 vs. Cooley's projected (assuming a relatively average season for him) 2572. The difference is roughly 250 yards. That's approximately 11% of the total. So in yards gained, Witten maintains a 11% edge. Cooley has (projecting again) 26 TDs and Witten has 14. The total difference is 46%. So Cooley has a much larger edge in TDs vs. Witten's edge in yards.

Thanks for making my point.... Julius ran down the field and Barber punched it in.

 

[firehawk350]

Love how desperately he is trying to justify Cooley. I guess its interesting that Cooley has never sniffed the Pro Bowl, and is not considered even a top 10 TE. He is a good H-Back; he will never be a good TE. H-Backs are of limited use compared to a real TE like Witten. Ask around the NFL who would you take if you have a choice ; WItten or Cooley. Probably 28 or 29 NF Head coaches would all say WITTEN.

And what makes you think I'm desperate???

 

[superpunk]

Crumpler (statisically) had a better year then both Witten and Cooley. Of course he's going to play a bigger role, he's the only one that Vick throws to.

Quit singling things out and address entire posts.

The rating system works, it is solid in and out. There are some minor tweaks and anomolys, but for the most part, it gives you a solid rating of a players value.

Cooley can't touch Witten in an unbiased, in-depth, statistical evaluation. He's just too easy to replace.

You can't address it, so you keep spouting off about TDs. Cooley is the 2nd or third best TE in the division. Witten is the best, most consistent and valuable TE in the division, and for some years, the entire conference. Sorry if you don't like it, but it's true.

 

[TheProphet]

Or are we pretenders? I think this is a pretty good team, with some holes to fill still. I honestly can't see us making a run at the Super Bowl trophy. I can see us making the playoffs and winning a playoff game, but that's about it. We seem to lack a certain necessary something I can't put my finger on. Leadership perhaps? Anyway, you never know how the ball will bounce so we'll have to wait & see. Winning builds confidence and that will be key for this year's team. A great draft is needed and Romo needs to continue to grow. In today's NFL, of course, anything can happen. Are we ready to take on the Colts and Patriots of this league THIS year? Thoughts?

Great post guy! It will be interesting to read the thoughts of others.
IMO, no we are not. We are missing great leadership. Perhaps Wade can breath fire into the bellies of this team, but admittably my expectations are not real high at this point. Hope I'm wrong. If Romo turns out to be a one year wonder, we are back to square one.

 

[firehawk350]

Thanks for making my point.... Julius ran down the field and Barber punched it in.

I was never arguing THAT point. I am arguing that the Jones vs. Barber comparison doesn't work here because of the gaping chasism between the two categories. Cooley has a much better TD number and only very slightly less yard number.

 

[firehawk350]

boy I wish I knew what theprophet thought about all this

Ask and you shall receive apparently...

 

[firehawk350]

Quit singling things out and address entire posts.

The rating system works, it is solid in and out. There are some minor tweaks and anomolys, but for the most part, it gives you a solid rating of a players value.

Cooley can't touch Witten in an unbiased, in-depth, statistical evaluation. He's just too easy to replace.

You can't address it, so you keep spouting off about TDs. Cooley is the 2nd or third best TE in the division. Witten is the best, most consistent and valuable TE in the division, and for some years, the entire conference. Sorry if you don't like it, but it's true.

I've addressed it about a thousand times, I don't think it works because it's slanted in favor of players on teams that score more, which Dallas did. And again, I've addressed the issue of yards vs. TDs, and you'll never be able to convince me that 200 yards is better then 12 TDs.

 

[firehawk350]

Thanks for making my point.... Julius ran down the field and Barber punched it in.

Okay, and going further, you could say (that due to Witten not having TDs but yards) that Witten caught it down the field but Barber and TO got it in. My point is that Cooley can run it down the field (to the tune of 11% less then Witten) but also score (46% more then Witten).

 

[burmafrd]

You are an true piece of work. Does it ever occur to you that Witten is ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS the offense worked so well last year? Meanwhile the skins O pretty much stank it up. Cooley got a lot his stats in garbage time.

 

[firehawk350]

You are an true piece of work. Does it ever occur to you that Witten is ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS the offense worked so well last year? Meanwhile the skins O pretty much stank it up. Cooley got a lot his stats in garbage time.

Don't get personal. I agree that Witten was one of the reason the offense worked well. But other reasons include TO, Glenn, Jones, Barber, Romo and to a lesser extent. Of course when you have more weapons then another team, your going to be more prolific. Washington had Betts and Moss. That's about it.

 

[superpunk]

I've addressed it about a thousand times, I don't think it works because it's slanted in favor of players on teams that score more, which Dallas did. And again, I've addressed the issue of yards vs. TDs, and you'll never be able to convince me that 200 yards is better then 12 TDs.

Cleveland scored 30th most points in the league last year. Yet Winslow was one of the highest rated TEs.

You've addressed it in moron logic. Bring it into the real world, if you please.

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[LittleBoyBlue]

I was never arguing THAT point. I am arguing that the Jones vs. Barber comparison doesn't work here because of the gaping chasism between the two categories. Cooley has a much better TD number and only very slightly less yard number.

You seem confused.



Below is an earlier post by you.

Okay, let's look at it this way, would you rather have a RB that runs 1200 yards and gets 5 TDs, or one that runs 1000 and gets 17? That's the difference we're talking about here.

So what are you saying there???

 

[Stash]

Okay, Barber had 14 TDs... Jones had 4 TDs... The difference there is roughly 3 times the TDs.
Jones had 1084 yards and Barber had 654. For simple math's sake, Barber had almost half the yards. The comparison doesn't hang well with me because Witten has 2838 vs. Cooley's projected (assuming a relatively average season for him) 2572. The difference is roughly 250 yards. That's approximately 11% of the total. So in yards gained, Witten maintains a 11% edge. Cooley has (projecting again) 26 TDs and Witten has 14. The total difference is 46%. So Cooley has a much larger edge in TDs vs. Witten's edge in yards.

And all the while, the Cowboys' offense (with Witten) ranks
5th in the league, while Washington (with your mancrush) ranks 13th.

I'll take that.