Are The Cowboys Super Bowl Contenders?

[LittleBoyBlue]

Don't get personal. I agree that Witten was one of the reason the offense worked well. But other reasons include TO, Glenn, Jones, Barber, Romo and to a lesser extent. Of course when you have more weapons then another team, your going to be more prolific. Washington had Betts and Moss. That's about it.

You had Portis too... he quit on the team.

 

[firehawk350]

You seem confused.



Below is an earlier post by you.



So what are you saying there???

No, I am not confused. The Jones vs. Barber comparison, again, doesn't work. It wasn't because they are RBs, it's because we're talking a WIDE difference (proportionally) between yards and TDs. The only wide difference in yards and TDs in the Cooley vs. Witten comparison is in TDs and that's Cooley's category. In yards, we're talking about an 11% difference.

 

[stealth]

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leopard man would never touch cooley
how dare you sir!

 

[firehawk350]

And all the while, the Cowboys' offense (with Witten) ranks
5th in the league, while Washington (with your mancrush) ranks 13th.

I'll take that.

Okay, I'm not arguing that the Cowboys offense was better. You had more weapons. Washington maintained a decent offense with only Cooley, betts and Moss (who was injured half the time). If you gave Cooley TO, Glenn, Crayton and a healthy duo of RBs, I'm sure he'd have completely demolished Witten in stats, as it were (for 06), he was only 50 yards behind and had 5 more TDs.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

No, I am not confused. The Jones vs. Barber comparison, again, doesn't work. It wasn't because they are RBs, it's because we're talking a WIDE difference (proportionally) between yards and TDs. The only wide difference in yards and TDs in the Cooley vs. Witten comparison is in TDs and that's Cooley's category. In yards, we're talking about an 11% difference.

Ok...

If I built 12 homes in 12 days at the rate of one home per day. How many homes will I have built after 12 days?

OR

If I put 12 roofs on 12 homes that were pre-built by other builders in 12 days. How many homes would I have "roofed" in 12 days?

 

[Stash]

No, I am not confused. The Jones vs. Barber comparison, again, doesn't work. It wasn't because they are RBs, it's because we're talking a WIDE difference (proportionally) between yards and TDs. The only wide difference in yards and TDs in the Cooley vs. Witten comparison is in TDs and that's Cooley's category. In yards, we're talking about an 11% difference.

Braindead is more like it.

You haven't got a leg to stand on.

And when someone counters your failed logic, you backtrack, double-talk and flip-flop in a desparate attempt to squirm out of it.

Keep digging the hole......

 

[firehawk350]

You had Portis too... he quit on the team.

Or got injured, you know, one of the two.

 

[firehawk350]

Braindead is more like it.

You haven't got a leg to stand on.

And when someone counters your failed logic, you backtrack, double-talk and flip-flop in a desparate attempt to squirm out of it.

Keep digging the hole......

Or you use derogatory language, act like you know what I'm talking about when I try to further explain things to you and come up with completely pointless posts to refute my logic. Way to go.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

let me guess w/o reading the thread

firehawk disagrees w/ the premise?

 

[superpunk]

leopard man would never touch cooley
how dare you sir!

I dunno....those boyshorts is hawt!

 

[Stash]

Okay, I'm not arguing that the Cowboys offense was better. You had more weapons. Washington maintained a decent offense with only Cooley, betts and Moss (who was injured half the time). If you gave Cooley TO, Glenn, Crayton and a healthy duo of RBs, I'm sure he'd have completely demolished Witten in stats, as it were (for 06), he was only 50 yards behind and had 5 more TDs.

Sure he would........

Just like that mess of a team is gonna show everybody this year, right?!?

You're as embarrassing as your front office!

Time to take down that Cooley poster off your wall and find yourself a girl!

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Or got injured, you know, one of the two.

Yes... yes... he WAS injured.... but saw the way the team was playing and tanked it... he knew they werent going anywhere. He wanted Brunell in there and go Campbell. He wudnt liken dat.

 

[firehawk350]

Ok...

If I built 12 homes in 12 days at the rate of one home per day. How many homes will I have built after 12 days?

OR

If I put 12 roofs on 12 homes that were pre-built by other builders in 12 days. How many homes would I have "roofed" in 12 days?

If I understand this completely useless analogy, Witten built 12 homes after 12 days. Whereas Cooley just roofed them (ie finished them off)? This example is predicated on the premise that Cooley had no ability to get yards and just took credit for the final TD side of things. And Witten started from scratch. Which makes this a ******** post. Cooley had a total of 50 less yards. 50! We're talking about a total of 4-5 passes over a season. That's barely a statisical advantage (less then 10%). But Cooley has 6 times the TDs. That's 600% of Witten's. So again, your simplifying things to who had more and that counts towards owning one category. Your not considering that Cooley was edged out by a mere fraction in yards but completely demolished Witten in TDs.

 

[firehawk350]

let me guess w/o reading the thread

firehawk disagrees w/ the premise?

No, it's a cooley vs. witten thread.

 

[firehawk350]

Sure he would........

Just like that mess of a team is gonna show everybody this year, right?!?

You're as embarrassing as your front office!

Time to take down that Cooley poster off your wall and find yourself a girl!

That hypothetical situation is based on the premise that being a more prolific player on a bad team with less weapons is harder then being a less prolific player on a good team with more weapons. Do you disagree?
And I never said that the Skins are going to be magically better.

 

[firehawk350]

Yes... yes... he WAS injured.... but saw the way the team was playing and tanked it... he knew they werent going anywhere. He wanted Brunell in there and go Campbell. He wudnt liken dat.

He wanted Brunell in there and go Campbell? I'm not sure what your talking about. But Portis played his last game in Philly (and left the game early) and Campbell wasn't announced the starter until the ensuing week. So that doesn't hold any water.

 

[firehawk350]

Sure he would........

Just like that mess of a team is gonna show everybody this year, right?!?

You're as embarrassing as your front office!

Time to take down that Cooley poster off your wall and find yourself a girl!

I'm married with two kids. *edit* keep the subject the subject.

 

[Hostile]

Okay, let's look at it this way, would you rather have a RB that runs 1200 yards and gets 5 TDs, or one that runs 1000 and gets 17? That's the difference we're talking about here.

Let's play "Can Stats Lie, Or Do They Tell the Whole Story?"

The year is 1995.

QB A's stats.

583 pass attempts
346 completions
4338 yards
32 TDs
4 TDs rushing



QB B's stats

432 pass attempts
280 completions
3304 yards
16 Tds
1 TD rushing



First let's go to Firehawk350. Which QB do you take?

:blind: "Uh, I'll take QB A obviously. Look at those stats. Wouldn't you rather have a QB who throws for twice as many TDs as the other guy? That's the difference we are talking about."




Now to the rest of the football universe. Which QB do you take?

:holmes: "There are three types of fallacies. Lies, damned lies, and statistics. In this case the statistics don't begin to tell the whole story. Therefore the correct answer is QB B."




QB A is Scott Mitchell of the Detroit Lions.

QB B is Troy Aikman of the World Champion Dallas Cowboys.

Thank you for playing.

 

[redskins1]

Or are we pretenders? I think this is a pretty good team, with some holes to fill still. I honestly can't see us making a run at the Super Bowl trophy. I can see us making the playoffs and winning a playoff game, but that's about it. We seem to lack a certain necessary something I can't put my finger on. Leadership perhaps? Anyway, you never know how the ball will bounce so we'll have to wait & see. Winning builds confidence and that will be key for this year's team. A great draft is needed and Romo needs to continue to grow. In today's NFL, of course, anything can happen. Are we ready to take on the Colts and Patriots of this league THIS year? Thoughts?

yes,your team are pretenders...they have been since 96,they havent won a playoff game since then...WOW!!!!

 

[peplaw06]

That hypothetical situation is based on the premise that being a more prolific player on a bad team with less weapons is harder then being a less prolific player on a good team with more weapons. Do you disagree?
And I never said that the Skins are going to be magically better.

Then where are you taking that into account in your statistical evaluation??

As you say Cooley, the "more prolific player on a bad team," had less yards and 5 more TDs than a "less prolific player on a good team," but he's better??

It's not harder to be "more prolific" on a bad team. It's easier because you have fewer guys fighting for TDs. Witten had to fight for TDs with TO and Barber (in the teens), JJ and Glenn (each over 5). So would it be harder to score TDs if you were the 5th option, or the 3rd?