Are The Cowboys Super Bowl Contenders?

[LittleBoyBlue]

My point still stands then. It's a ******** analogy. We're assuming the 1200 yard back had to do everything himself (he being Witten), and the 1000 yard back only had to punch it in. The 1000 yard back had to do it all, he had to run down the field and then punch it in. Which is what Cooley did.

The argument here seems to be, and let me know if I got something wrong, Witten is a threat to run it down but just not quite the redzone target and Cooley is a redzone target but just doesn't have it in the open field? Is that what your arguing?

So whats the answer? How many houses were built? :laugh2:

 

[firehawk350]

Fine.

Marion Barber >>>> Portis & Betts

Happy?

Again, you are oversimplifying things. Yes, if TDs are the only measure, Barber wins. Oh wait, nevermind. barber wins against an injured portis. But again, I point to the difference in yards vs. the difference in TDs.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

IMO, there isn't much seperation between Witten and Cooley

I'd say it's about even, Cooley is better at getting in the endzone, and Witten is the more surer receiver, both are average blockers

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And if you took out Cooley from the Commanders, would that have a more profound effect then if you took out Witten?

hey, it's not our fault that outside of Moss, your receivers suck

 

[Hostile]

Again, you are oversimplifying things. Yes, if TDs are the only measure, Barber wins. Oh wait, nevermind. barber wins against an injured portis. But again, I point to the difference in yards vs. the difference in TDs.

Does that hurt?

 

[superpunk]

Wow, argument over! Thanks for that. Witten grades out better on some DVOA ranking that is only used by that particular site. No major analyst says, well I like player X, but his DVOA is just too low to be a factor. Or when has a coach said, we were going to pick up player X, but player Y's DVOA is just hard to pass up? The web is full of people who pretend to have an inside slant but don't. Somebody just thought of a system they thought was fair. Doesn't make it the end-all, be-all of systems.

It's the best one I've found. If you've found a better, please produce it. Otherwise, cease with the attempts to degrade the evaluation system when you don't even possess the mental faculty to understand it. No matter how much you reiterate your foolishness.

Better hands, maybe, I've seen Cooley make some pretty hard catches.

Not maybe. Definitely. Witten's catch percentage is better than Cooley's every year.

More of a deep threat? That's why Cooley has a 66 yard longest catch where as Witten's is 44. Hm... Furthermore, Cooley has more 20 yard catches AND 40 yard catches.

Taking a bubble screen 20 ayrds does not qualify you as a deep threat. Cooley had 17 receptions behind the LOS last year and 21 the year before that. Witten has had 9 total the past two years.

Who is catching passes downfield in traffic more often?

Over the past 3 years, Witten has 31 catches of 20 ayrds or more. Cooley has 21. Fall back.

 

[firehawk350]

Nice try, but I already qualified it by saying even if I weren't a Cowboys fan or he wasn't a Cowboy. If he were a Commanders player and Cooley a Cowboy I wouldn't change my opinion.

Oh okay, so if you could be somebody else, you would say Witten. But you can't BE anyone else, you'll always slant to the blue and silver side of things. If I weren't a Skins fan or Cooley wasn't a skin, I wouldn't change my opinion either. See how easy that was?

I believe you.

I meant I wouldn't know what to do because they are both great weapons and I have no idea what the rest of the team looked like. You were a bit vague.

And I disagree. I believe most sources would tell you what you obviously don't want to hear.

You believe... I believe a lot of things, but my beliefs aren't revelant to this discussion. Just like your personal beliefs aren't. That's why we use statistics.

No, that isn't the impression I got. Mine was this...

:blind:

Wow, your so close to being funny. SO CLOSE! Just keep reaching for the stars...

What hype is that? The hype here? Outside of Cowboys nation who hypes him up? Oh right, NFL types.

That isn't hype son. It's the school bell ringing. Join the class.

Haha, it isn't hype because Hos says it's not, huh? Wow, glad we cleared that one up. So, while we're at it, let me email the league office with your responses on the following?
Mike Vick all hype? How about Calvin Johnson? Who's your underachievers of the draft? I mean, after all, your opinion on these subjects end ALL debates.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

punk, I don't feel like wading, so could you please post the DVOA ranking again?

thanks

 

[firehawk350]

hey, it's not our fault that outside of Moss, your receivers suck

It isn't cooley's either...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

It isn't cooley's either...

ok, but you're the one saying if you take Cooley away, it would hurt more than it would the Cowboys if we were to take Witten away

 

[superpunk]

punk, I don't feel like wading, so could you please post the DVOA ranking again?

thanks

It's like a few posts up.

Witten was 3rd, 2nd and 3rd over the past three years.

Cooley was 9th, 4th and 18th.

 

[WoodysGirl]

IMO, there isn't much seperation between Witten and Cooley

I'd say it's about even, Cooley is better at getting in the endzone, and Witten is the more surer receiver, both are average blockers

I would say that the TDs that Witten would have normally gotten were caught by Owens...and maybe run in by Barber. It's about opportunities. I don't know that Witten got many end zone opportunities last year. That is the TO effect, which I don't mind.

 

[Stash]

Again, you are oversimplifying things. Yes, if TDs are the only measure, Barber wins. Oh wait, nevermind. barber wins against an injured portis. But again, I point to the difference in yards vs. the difference in TDs.

No, I'm using your same criteria against you.

You're just apparently incapable of seeing that.

The one stat your hero has on Witten is TD's so for you, it's the deciding factor.

Therefore, by your own judgement:

Barber >>>>> Portis and Betts

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I would say that the TDs that Witten would have normally gotten were caught by Owens...and maybe run in by Barber. It's about opportunities. I don't know that Witten got many end zone opportunities last year. That is the TO effect, which I don't mind.

great point

Cooley's got nothing then

 

[Hostile]

Oh okay, so if you could be somebody else, you would say Witten. But you can't BE anyone else, you'll always slant to the blue and silver side of things. If I weren't a Skins fan or Cooley wasn't a skin, I wouldn't change my opinion either. See how easy that was?

Except that I don't do that. If a Skins player is better, I have no issue with saying so.

I meant I wouldn't know what to do because they are both great weapons and I have no idea what the rest of the team looked like. You were a bit vague.

Uh, no I wasn't.

You believe... I believe a lot of things, but my beliefs aren't revelant to this discussion. Just like your personal beliefs aren't. That's why we use statistics.

No, that's why you're using them.

Wow, your so close to being funny. SO CLOSE! Just keep reaching for the stars.

Hey I will thanks for the support.

Haha, it isn't hype because Hos says it's not, huh? Wow, glad we cleared that one up. So, while we're at it, let me email the league office with your responses on the following?

Reading comprehension isn't your forte' is it?

Mike Vick all hype? How about Calvin Johnson? Who's your underachievers of the draft? I mean, after all, your opinion on these subjects end ALL debates.

It is? Damn, I need to market myself. Pay me and I'll tell you all you want to know.

 

[Hostile]

No, I'm using your same criteria against you.

You're just apparently incapable of seeing that.

The one stat your hero has on Witten is TD's so for you, it's the deciding factor.

Therefore, by your own judgement:

Barber >>>>> Portis and Betts

Funny how the math only works one way huh Stash?

 

[firehawk350]

It's the best one I've found. If you've found a better, please produce it. Otherwise, cease with the attempts to degrade the evaluation system when you don't even possess the mental faculty to understand it. No matter how much you reiterate your foolishness.

The mental faculty huh? Wow, maybe, just maybe, I don't think it's as easy as one number, no matter how well numbers go into that particular number. I mean, if it was, why have scouts?

Not maybe. Definitely. Witten's catch percentage is better than Cooley's every year.

How is THAT number derived?

Taking a bubble screen 20 ayrds does not qualify you as a deep threat. Cooley had 17 receptions behind the LOS last year and 21 the year before that. Witten has had 9 total the past two years.

Who is catching passes downfield in traffic more often?

Cooley has proven to be a downfield threat already. Just because he catches more passes close in doesn't negate his threat down the field. That 66 yard reception was with a safety on his back, which he shrugged off and then raced down the sideline (I believe he had to break another tackle too) for a score that put the Skins up. I like that threat better then a 44 yard reception that didn't score. But you can take your 44 yard reception if that's what you prefer.

Over the past 3 years, Witten has 31 catches of 20 ayrds or more. Cooley has 21. Fall back.

Oh, you mean including the Cooley's first season where he only started 6 games? Yeah, that's valid. Over the last two seasons (where both started an equal amount) Cooley has 18 20+ yard receptions and 2 40+. Witten has 17 20+ receptions and 1 40+. Try again...

Yay, hooray, an actual post based on fact. It only took 11 pages.

 

[Rampage]

as of right now we are pretenders.

 

[Stash]

Funny how the math only works one way huh Stash?

It's like talking to a wall!

:bang2:

Like Forrest says, "stupid is as stupid does....."

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Oh, you mean including the Cooley's first season where he only started 6 games? Yeah, that's valid. Over the last two seasons (where both started an equal amount) Cooley has 18 20+ yard receptions and 2 40+. Witten has 17 20+ receptions and 1 40+. Try again...

wow, Cooley has 2 more 20 and 40+ yard pass receptions

you sure showed him