Are the Cowboys the Steelers of the NFC?

[Alexander]

Let me say first that I love Tomlin, I like the way he approaches the game and the way he handles the media but the Steeler fan base hates him. I'm sometimes right in the middle of them when I visit my mom and the disdain for him is unbelievable and then when I tell people I really like him they lose it even more.

It's just inherently human nature to think the other guy has the better deal.

They "hate" him? I find that hard to believe. Dislike, maybe simply because he is not Noll or Cowher, I can understand that.

 

[WillieBeamen]

I can't say for sure that Ben would have 0 rings in Dal, Romo has lost a lot of big games in the past for us. tell us how Romo is a better Qb than Roethlisberger when comparing the two teams now?

The last full season he played, he was statistically better than Ben in almost every category, got his team tied for the best record in his conference, and won a playoff game. Hes also been an All-pro (something Ben has not been) and has better stats career wise as well. Add in the pourous rosters he's had here that Jerry assembled, and you have in my opinion the superior QB. I will admit, it isnt a stretch for someone to say Ben is better than Romo, but I dont believe so.

 

[DandyDon1722]

I can't say for sure that Ben would have 0 rings in Dal, Romo has lost a lot of big games in the past for us. tell us how Romo is a better Qb than Roethlisberger when comparing the two teams now?

Dude please.

Historically speaking Romo has had no chance, none, mainly because of the defense. Please refer to Def Pass Rating stats and how they almost single-handedly influence wins in the NFL. We've been virtually dead last the last eight years until the past two where we moved up into the teens. Ben, Brady, Brees, would have had zero chance to win with the Cowboys.

Pittsburgh has had outstanding defenses and both Giants Super Bowl runs under Eli were due to historically great defenses (15 ppg in all their playoff wins) which no one else has ever done.

After years of breaking this down in here and especially after what happened last year without Romo, I thought we were past this but apparently not.

 

[DandyDon1722]

They "hate" him? I find that hard to believe. Dislike, maybe simply because he is not Noll or Cowher, I can understand that.

I'm just telling you what I hear.

I will say that from the people and area I hear it from, I also believe there is more to it than just coaching if you know what I mean.

 

[Alexander]

I'm just telling you what I hear.

I will say that from the people and area I hear it from, I also believe there is more to it than just coaching if you know what I mean.

Oh I get that. He also makes some impulsive risky decisions in games that blow up in his face that are sure to drive the faithful crazy. As much as Dallas fans are spoiled, Pittsburgh fans are even worse.

 

[JBS]

I'm just telling you what I hear.

I will say that from the people and area I hear it from, I also believe there is more to it than just coaching if you know what I mean.

I have friends that live in that area...I can attest to their dislike for Tomlin as well..a lot of which is very deserving...he's not your traditional coach..he makes some off the wall game deciding decisions..a lot of times they backfire...

I know what you are referencing outside of coaching..that I can't speak of..my friends surely aren't in that group

 

[JoeKing]

Complete nonsense.

But even if I indulge your viewpoint, the Steelers are better as they have found a way to consistently compete in a far less dysfunctional division than the NFC East. Outside of punching bag Cleveland and an outlier year from the Ravens, that is one of the toughest divisions in football and they are always in the middle of it, or winning it.

Meanwhile, the East continues to be psychotic from year to year and we usually end up playing just as up and down as the other three teams, and operate in the same frenetic knee jerk fashion as our divisional rivals in terms of talent acquisition/philosophy.

Steelers philosophy is not dependent of any perticular player in order to succeed. This is why the "next man up" approach works for them. The Cowboys philosphy is catered to the strengths of Romo. When he went down, they could not compensate for his lose. Next man up doesn't work well when they continue to implement the an offensive attack catered to Romo. It's that inability to adapt that sunk the Cowboys last year... that and the defense is pathetic.

 

[jday]

a lot of people are concerned about defense of the Dallas Cowboys...I'm sure, to different extents...this may ease some of those concerns and it may enforce others...

On paper, it appears to me at least, that the Cowboys are.a very similar team to the Steelers..not identical by any means..but very similar...

3 headed monster on offense

Romo - Big Ben
Zeke - Bell
Dez - Brown

Cowboys definitely have the better OL

Both teams are relatively weak in the secondary...Cowboys might even be better than the steelers here...

The comparisons end on the DL....Steelers defense last year generated a ton of sacks...close to 50...but even w their pressure..their pass D was terrible...near the bottom of the league...

The last two years the steelers have won a total of 21 regular season games...10 in one year and 11 in the other...a team that is constructed pretty similarly to ours...probably a glimmer of hope for some on here..at the same time, the steelers only have one playoff win in the last two years...probably confirmation for other that this style isn't good enough to win when it matters...

I know there are a few people on here that follow some other teams very closely for different reasons..anyone on here that follows the steelers very closely? Just my opinion but this Cowboys team is a team just like the Steelers of right now...probably a 10-11 win team..hopefully with more playoff success than what the Steelers have had the last two years

I'm not sure I understand the point of this exercise...

 

[percyhoward]

There is nothing wrong with recognizing that Romo is a good QB but there are things that others are better at.

Roethlisberger is really good at winning in the postseason when he's got a Top 3 defense.

 

[Alexander]

Dude please.

Historically speaking Romo has had no chance, none, mainly because of the defense. Please refer to Def Pass Rating stats and how they almost single-handedly influence wins in the NFL. We've been virtually dead last the last eight years until the past two where we moved up into the teens. Ben, Brady, Brees, would have had zero chance to win with the Cowboys.

So, what are you saying? We needed to get better at pass defense to win with him?

 

[Alexander]

Roethlisberger is really good at winning in the postseason when he's got a Top 3 defense.

He also got to the post season and won a game last year with a middle of the road defense and an awful one versus the pass.

 

[JBS]

Which pass D stats do you guys go by?

Was our pass D last year good enough? Obviously our pass O wasn't good enough...but if we have 2014 Pass O with 2015 pass D..is that a recipe for a postseason run?

 

[DandyDon1722]

So, what are you saying? We needed to get better at pass defense to win with him?

That's pretty much what I'm saying and I'm pretty sure I know where you're going.

We have improved greatly from those 8-8 teams which is why we were able to go 12-4. If the offense does what everybody think it will and if we can stay in the 10-15 range defensively I believe we have as good a chance as anybody.

 

[percyhoward]

He also got to the post season and won a game last year with a middle of the road defense and an awful one versus the pass.

That was impressive. One more playoff win without a Top 3 defense, and he ties Romo.

 

[Vinnie2u]

The last full season he played, he was statistically better than Ben in almost every category, got his team tied for the best record in his conference, and won a playoff game. Hes also been an All-pro (something Ben has not been) and has better stats career wise as well. Add in the pourous rosters he's had here that Jerry assembled, and you have in my opinion the superior QB. I will admit, it isnt a stretch for someone to say Ben is better than Romo, but I dont believe so.

Yes but would you trade Romo for RuthlessRaper straight up. Salary for salary player for player.

 

[DandyDon1722]

He also got to the post season and won a game last year with a middle of the road defense and an awful one versus the pass.

Which proves the point. They barely got it and they struggled to win a playoff game they had no business winning.

The reasoning stands - they had no chance last year with that defense.

 

[JBS]

Which proves the point. They barely got it and they struggled to win a playoff game they had no business winning.

The reasoning stands - they had no chance last year with that defense.

Was our Pass D from last year good enough?

 

[Alexander]

We have improved greatly from those 8-8 teams which is why we were able to go 12-4.

Did we though? At the end of 12-4 was minimizing Romo's role in the grand scheme and allowing him to be more efficient. In other words, we were not relying on him to take the team on his back and throw for 400 yards and 4 TDs every game.

All signs point to us going back to the 2014 formula and as long as we win, I am all for it. I don't need Romo to be validated as the best in the league. He's good enough, we just have to do the right things to allow him the best chance to win.

 

[cowboys2233]

If I were choosing a QB to win me a championship game, I am sorry but I would have to choose Roethlisberger, mainly because he has done it.

That is not a slam on Romo, but for some reason it seems that choosing anyone save Brady over him seems to be offensive to our fans. There is nothing wrong with recognizing that Romo is a good QB but there are things that others are better at.

Surprised you're reverting to the "SB titles mean everything" angle. No, no they don't. There are reasons to prefer Roth over Romo in a big game situation, bigger body, can handle more punishment, extend plays, etc. but this notion that "he has done it" is not one of them. Call me crazy, but if Romo makes it to a SB, I'm pretty confident he'll get out of that game with more than a 22.6 QB rating, which is exactly what Roth had when "he did it" the first time.

 

[Alexander]

Was our Pass D from last year good enough?

Statistically, it was not bad on paper. But we all know it was not a good pass D. It was that way because nobody felt the need to take risks because they knew our own passing offense posed no threat without Romo.