CFZ Are the Cowboys totally focused on building a championship team?

[SteveTheCowboy]

So to sum things up.. He really wants to win but sucks at it and isn’t sane enough to realize it? Sounds counterproductive.

The guys a complete turd. Jerry doesn’t give a crap about winning unless his ego is involved in the process. And we all know how that turns out. It’s a vicious cycle.

Yep....summed up perfectly.

You think he sits around saying to himself "i dont really want to win".

Of course not.
Does he have the capacity and adeptness to make it happen (this is key: )even if someone else does it for him (jimmy)?

For 25 years.....nope. counterproductive indeed!

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Has he? Mabe w/ the overall record. However, that has a huge knife in the guts. The better record has more to do with Jerry's pathetic attempts to stay relevant. If we had a worse overall record, we'd have better players from the years we sucked. Instead, it's midround picks.

KC is the exception, no doubt. But look at the other super bowl contenders, and think about what they have in common. Some really good players. And how did they get those players? High draft picks, mostly. Rams got Aaron Donald w/ a high 1st. 11th, wasn't it? They don't win the super bowl w/o him.

How did Cincy suddenly become a super bowl threat? Easy, Burrows, first pick in the draft.

Yes, there is a lot more to it than that, no doubt. Smart FA maneuvering(Something we suck at), smart drafting (ditto), understanding postional importance(Ditto again).

We need a smart GM to take us over the top.

Even jerry knows....the best way to stay the most relevent....is to win.
He just keeps striking out trying to do it his way. Not bringing someone in to do it for him is a separate issue.

 

[kskboys]

See my above comment. Especially the "sane" part.

Cute. If one were sane they could easily see that winning is not Jerry's top priority.

Read that. Especially the "sane" part.

 

[kskboys]

Even jerry knows....the best way to stay the most relevent....is to win.
He just keeps striking out trying to do it his way. Not bringing someone in to do it for him is a separate issue.

Not according to Jerry. He has admitted he'd have been fired from any other org. So, he does know. Same issue. Not separate at all.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Not according to Jerry. He has admitted he'd have been fired from any other org. So, he does know. Same issue. Not separate at all.

So....you are saying...you have HEARD him say "I don't want to win".

Saying "I don't want anyone else to do it for me":...is a different issue.

I never said it makes sense. I never said he isn't a dumb ___ about it.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Cute. If one were sane they could easily see that winning is not Jerry's top priority.

Read that. Especially the "sane" part.

Oh ...clever boy. Turning my comment back on me. How cutely original. You are on FIRE.

 

[Diehardblues]

So....you are saying...you have HEARD him say "I don't want to win".

Saying "I don't want anyone else to do it for me":...is a different issue.

I never said it makes sense. I never said he isn't a dumb ___ about it.

Actions speak louder than words .

Of course he wants to to win. But only his way. Only wanting to win your way isn’t doing everything within your power to win.

And how we can translate that winning isn’t the top priority.

 

[MyFairLady]

There is a big difference between wanting to win and being committed to winning.

Sure Jerry wants to win but he is not committed. You can not pay Tyrone Crawford what he was paid and claim you are committed to winning. Same thing for Zeke and J Smooth and D Flaw. You can not draft Randy Gregory in the second round and let him run free for years with no accountability. Your "star" CB just pulled a no show in the playoffs and is about to hold out early what will you do? The list is endless. Jerry wants to be friends with his players. He makes decisions all the time that are not consistent with a team that is committed to winning.

The Cowboys are a family owned, family run, nepotistic theme park.

 

[cowboy_ron]

Not unless Jerry can win with castoffs. He's not going to do what it takes to win championships.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

There is a big difference between wanting to win and being committed to winning.

Sure Jerry wants to win but he is not committed. You can not pay Tyrone Crawford what he was paid and claim you are committed to winning. Same thing for Zeke and J Smooth and D Flaw. You can not draft Randy Gregory in the second round and let him run free for years with no accountability. Your "star" CB just pulled a no show in the playoffs and is about to hold out early what will you do? The list is endless. Jerry wants to be friends with his players. He makes decisions all the time that are not consistent with a team that is committed to winning.

The Cowboys are a family owned, family run, nepotistic theme park.

Thanks, Lady. You said it spot on...better than I was doing.

 

[DallasEast]

There is a big difference between wanting to win and being committed to winning.

I have always believed this is the correct assumption in Jerry Jones' case but others have continually disagreed that any difference exists between the two motivations or even whether the difference itself holds any relevance.

 

[CouchCoach]

Totally focused on building a championship team? No, that takes full time management with something to lose if it fails.

They have nothing to lose and when the lose, the dollars still roll in and the ratings roll on.

They're focused on being good enough to warrant unbalanced coverage in the media.

 

[zrinkill]

Of course not ...... If that was the focus the two top Qbs we have had in the last 20 years would not be an undrafted free agent and a 4th round pick.

 

[Vtwin]

I honestly believe Jerry is absolutely focused on and committed to building a championship team. The key word in that sentence however, is "Jerry".

He wants the validation that comes with a championship as much as anything but the conundrum is he can't do what it would take to win that championship without delegating some responsibility which would shift focus from him as the man that made it happen. It wouldn't be Jerry's championship.

If fortune was his only motivation even Jerry would realize that finding the right person to run football operations would increase the value of the already most valuable team in sports.

If he doesn't pull it off I would guess he will have regrets in his final days.

 

[FVSTONE]

Our owner has made some very candid public outburst in recent weeks which has supported my opinions this era on his priorities.

This is what I’ve always appreciated about our dysfunctional ownership and front office. In order to appeal to fans criticism and the hounding from media he often displays his honest feelings.

In the past he’s said he’d doing everything within his power to win and no one wants to win more than him but he’s unwilling to make any changes at the top even after admitting he’d of fired a GM with his record this era. Basically this means he only wants to win his way.

He’s also stated that remaining interesting and relative is the most important factor in order to maintain the record revenue hyping and promoting our iconic brand.

More recently he’s stated that going All In isn’t worth the risk as it could lead to lean years needing more of an overall rebuild.

The reason I bring this up is I think it’s time we adjust our expectations here. If our owner isn’t willing to make the decisions and moves to build more than an entertainment entity which simply maintains interest and relativity why are we beating our heads trying to figure out how to build a championship team or critiquing them for not building more than they have.

I’m not sure that’s a core priority anymore. Sure, if we stumbled onto another Super Bowl they’d be ecstatic and more than happy to take credit.

I think they are content with this level of success as it continues driving their record revenue enabling the celebrity status he’s pursued. At age 80 he still seems determined to stay the course of status quo regardless whether he’s delegated some responsibility or not.

He’s still intent on being the face of the franchise and where the buck stops . And the meddling with coaching decisions and players contracts persist which all too often influence the atmosphere , culture and potentially the strategic football mentality.

Until we can move on from these unfortunate priorities and distractions it’s very difficult for me to take this football franchise very serious. It’s become more of a sports entertainment venture which I believe is the core intention in order to prevent more serious pressure from the fans and media. Any success beyond that is purely coincidental or sheer chance.

This is a trick question...right?????

 

[Hadenough]

I just don't see going all in unless they draft a top teir QB. It's just a waste. Jerry was hesitant to sign Dak in the beginning to big contract and him hesitating speaks volumes about knowing Dak is not good enough to win it all. He knows he isn't but what he found out is Dak is putting people in the stands and he seems content with marketing his product with a 2nd string QB who is living the rest of the teams effort.

 

[CowboyFrog]

I have always believed this is the correct assumption in Jerry Jones' case but others have continually disagreed that any difference exists between the two motivations or even whether the difference itself holds any relevance.

For sure! The fact that he lets his ego get in the way proves it... he wants to win, he is not commited to doing what it takes.

 

[DallasEast]

I just don't see going all in unless they draft a top teir QB. It's just a waste. Jerry was hesitant to sign Dak in the beginning to big contract and him hesitating speaks volumes about knowing Dak is not good enough to win it all. He knows he isn't but what he found out is Dak is putting people in the stands and he seems content with marketing his product with a 2nd string QB who is living the rest of the teams effort.

I hold a differing viewpoint and believe the enormous confidence Jones had in Prescott during late October/early November 2016 did not waver come contract time. In my opinion, Jones gambled that Prescott would eventually concede to a 'loyalty discount' for extending him. The mutual contract negotiations remained in limbo until Jones realized he could not compel Prescott to accept a lesser deal.

Additionally, I am highly confident Jones maintains a polar opposite opinion of Prescott's worth than the latter's critics. I could be completely wrong but Jones must say or insinuate something more critical than he has publicly said about Prescott following the loss to San Francisco to convince me otherwise.

 

[Diehardblues]

This is a trick question...right?????

Nope

 

[kskboys]

So....you are saying...you have HEARD him say "I don't want to win".

Saying "I don't want anyone else to do it for me":...is a different issue.

I never said it makes sense. I never said he isn't a dumb ___ about it.

It's the same issue.

Jerry insisting on being GM is saying: "I don't care about winning." He pretty much is saying it aloud.