Are there any bad / mediocre QBs with comparable numbers to Dak?

[blueblood70]

I'm not a Dak homer, but the whole "anybody can do what he does" thing that people vomit is a joke.

this is true but there are a handful of options that most likely could..

 

[Proof]

Im taking Dalton in a heartbeat if given the choice.

I guess this sort of underscores my point. Dak is maligned, and you'd 'take Dalton in a heartbeat' yet their ypg are identical this year, while Dak's completion pct and qbr are significantly higher. In fact, two of Daks three seasons would be be career best completion pct's for Dalton. Not to mention Andy has had the luxury of throwing to AJ Green his entire career. Dalton also has a season with only 5 less picks than Daks thrown in his career lol

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

I'm not a Dak homer, but the whole "anybody can do what he does" thing that people vomit is a joke.

I can go along with that. I think that Dak is probably better than the Backup QBs we have here. That's why you play him until you get someone better. Since we're don't have a #1 pick in next years draft, he'll be here in 2019 most likely. I would rather pay a proven clutch QB like foles over Dak if it is contract time and Dak hasn't done anything to prove himself during these playoffs.

 

[fansince68]

Pay the man.

DAK knows how this works.

Money has to go to others if he wants to win.

It will be fine.

This guy is fiercely loyal to this team..

it will be fine.

Money and agents can and will bring out the worst in a person. We see it as an exciting sport. Underneath it all....Its a business...

 

[fansince68]

I guess this sort of underscores my point. Dak is maligned, and you'd 'take Dalton in a heartbeat' yet their ypg are identical this year, while Dak's completion pct and qbr are significantly higher. In fact, two of Daks three seasons would be be career best completion pct's for Dalton. Not to mention Andy has had the luxury of throwing to AJ Green his entire career. Dalton also has a season with only 5 less picks than Daks thrown in his career lol

At least Dalton throws to Dalton. Single coverage on Amari means nothing to Dak. I like Dak and I pull for him...but he has to do better or no dinero.

 

[Verdict]

Dak has the spirit of a winner, he is a winner and highly competitive; that’s what makes him good. He also has a lot of work to do and doesn’t have the ability to do a lot of things right now, it’s what makes him a mediocre QB. Troy pointed it out yesterday.

Dak is probably closer to Dilfer than any of the QBs I have heard mentioned. He may have a bit more physical talent than Dilfer.

 

[black label]

Dak is airMcdirt

 

[Mobinvans]

I agree, nobody can fumble and take sacks like Dak

Especially in the Red Zone....he is special

 

[Bob-Lillys-War]

 

[sureletsrace]

At least Dalton throws to Dalton. Single coverage on Amari means nothing to Dak. I like Dak and I pull for him...but he has to do better or no dinero.

Dalton can throw to himself?! Wow, I wonder why the Bengals don't incorporate that into their game plan?

 

[cnuball21]

I don’t watch much of Tannehill but maybe him?

Great athlete, can extend plays with his legs but pedestrian as a passer.

 

[fansince68]

Dalton can throw to himself?! Wow, I wonder why the Bengals don't incorporate that into their game plan?

Dont you just hate sober people on a holiday. You know I meant Green...lol. If Dak could throw to himself it would a check down or overthrow.

 

[sureletsrace]

Dont you just hate sober people on a holiday. You know I meant Green...lol. If Dak could throw to himself it would a check down or overthrow.

I was just having a little fun with ya. Lol drink on buddy, lord knows after 3 Christmas visits with my 3 kids I am

 

[fansince68]

I was just having a little fun with ya. Lol drink on buddy, lord knows after 3 Christmas visits with my 3 kids I am

I know my friend. Merry Christmas to you and yours..

 

[JDSmith]

That’s why we won so many games with a thousand yard back in 2015 right? Because any QB can do what dak does, including being 2nd in the league in wins since he’s become a pro right?

That's probably the worst argument you can make. You are essentially saying that McFadden/Randle is as valuable as Zeke by using that argument. Weeden would likely have won quite a few games with his style of play if we had Zeke. Weeden was conservative, dink and dunked the ball, but protected it. Sound at all familiar? The problem is that doesn't work when you don't have a guy like Zeke to carry the offense.

And what's Zeke winning percentage compared to other RBs since he came into the league? Why doesn't anyone mention that? I'd be willing to bet that if you asked 32 GMs the vast majority would say that Zeke is more important to the offense than Dak, so why isn't he getting the credit for wins?

Saying Dak is second in the league in wins just means that Dak has played for a good team - it doesn't indicate whether or not he's a help or detriment, merely that he's been on a team better than the opposition more times than not. And it helps when that team has the best RB in football.

 

[JDSmith]

I guess this sort of underscores my point. Dak is maligned, and you'd 'take Dalton in a heartbeat' yet their ypg are identical this year, while Dak's completion pct and qbr are significantly higher. In fact, two of Daks three seasons would be be career best completion pct's for Dalton. Not to mention Andy has had the luxury of throwing to AJ Green his entire career. Dalton also has a season with only 5 less picks than Daks thrown in his career lol

Dak is almost surely under-rated around here. Or maybe it's just that the grass is always greener. Dak has warts, but he's not a bottom 3 QB like some here would suggest. He's not pretty, and I hope we don't throw a boat load of money at him, but he's not a dumpster fire either. He's probably about what his rankings indicate, a pretty average QB.

 

[jwitten82]

I don’t watch much of Tannehill but maybe him?

Great athlete, can extend plays with his legs but pedestrian as a passer.

Thats who I compare him to. Look at Tannehill's numbers over the years and theyre damn near similar to Daks.

 

[john van brocklin]

most QBs ranked 15-32 yes..it happens the elite to high 2nd tier guys arent the norm..being Average can be won with, I get the why some just hammer the hate on Dak but in reality, hes not bad..the issue is how much will Jerry pay him..if he gets paid under 25 20-25 going rate for starter with winning records, and front loaded incentives etc we wont be in cap hell, wi can live with that..If Jerry goes full ******, pays him 27-30 mil we are in trouble..big trouble because we need more money to help Dak succeed with skill players, you cant blow the cap on guy who only deserves less..thats the holdout for me, lets see how JJ and the FO sees him money wise..Im betting the Vikings are having some regrets in not keeping their old average QB at 18mil and instead of paying Cousins to not do any better, actually in some ways worse..i dont want that regret.. Alex smith type contract or less is Daks wheel house and fair.

Excellent analysis

 

[pansophy]

i understand stats aren’t everything, and my eye test tells me that Dak isn’t a top ten guy, but as much as his stats (wins, tds, completion pct, qbr etc) get discounted when compared to the accepted franchise guys can any of the lower tier guys compare? Is there a bad qb thst has good numbers to point to?

I’m just curious. Because I’m starting to believe that despite his warts, Dak is a uniquely valuable guy.

If you look at QBR this year Dak is 21st, so yes there are a lot of mediocre QBs with comparable numbers to Dak. His QBR numbers were of course better than the last two years, but there are some numbers that have been consistent since his rookie year.

Look at 3rd and long situations and Dak has been poor at those since the beginning. We are 29th in the league this year in getting a 1st down when it is 3rd and 8+ yards. In 2017 we were last in the league (32nd) and in 2016 - his 'record breaking rookie year' - we were just 19th. https://www.sharpfootballstats.com/situational-success-rates---ranks--off-.html

People talk about Dak's efficiency and how he completes 70% of his passes now, but who cares if he completes a pass if we don't get a first down?? That's the in-game version of winning versus losing, so if QBs are judged by winning rather than stats, then 3rd down success should be such a metric. So the data is there that Dak really has never been reliable or successful in clear passing situations.

 

[CF74]

From what I understand, Dak compares to QB’s ranked between 12-30.. So far the bonus is durability and can run if needed...