Are we trying to pull off some sort of Moneyball?

[conner01]

It

No.

Moneyball actually takes some semblance of work.

This is just pure laziness.

It was an actual data driven plan. Jerry’s plan is just sign who’s cheapest

Yeah I mean Jerry probably doesn't know what a computer is. He's not directing his staff to use some advanced metrics moneyball.

his only metros is cheap

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Trades do not count. Released players does not count. Pay attention.

You picked the lowest signed AAV. I have no interest in red herrings particularly when I never said that.

Who is not paying attention? You know what does count? Signed players.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dude, you brought up CE as if is has anything to do with his job being the GM. Why the hell are you even coming at me in the first place defending him anyway? You think he’s doing a good job? You have a personal relationship with him? His degree doesn’t translate to GM, so no reason for you to try to clown me by bringing it up in the first place…..he freakin sucks at this job, regardless of his degree.

I said EE not CE. Try again.

He created the Cowboys sabermetrics department and leads it. They talked a few season ago on how MM and Stephen were working together to revamp it. Where do you think he came up with his trade chart?

I pay attention and don't speak from ignorance.

 

[Bigrandrn]

I said EE not CE. Try again.

He created the Cowboys sabermetrics department and leads it. They talked a few season ago on how MM and Stephen were working together to revamp it. Where do you think he came up with his trade chart?

I pay attention and don't speak from ignorance.

EE as in electrical engineering? He has a chemical engineering degree (not a PhD or anything either, probably not a MS)….
It’s cool, keep defending the crappy job he and his dad have done, even with this sabermetrics department. What fan cares about that if the team constantly underperforms? My original point stands, he’s dumb with how he runs the roster…..u seem to think a degree in one field makes him brilliant in another. That’s ignorance….thinking a degree in A makes him brilliant in B or C or D etc.
U say I can’t do some things he can…..sure, but there’s things I can do he can’t, I’ve literally saved lives and he hasnt….but neither our degrees mean crap when managing a football roster…..zero reason for you to bring that stuff up

Still don’t get why you taking up this convo on his behalf….hes not going to read you defending him and take you to dinner or anything……u for real a cowboys fan, ok with the job management has done?

 

[KingCorcoran]

You don't know how comp picks work and I am not interested in teaching you.

If you want to think that after all the signings of this week they are going to get comp picks then you go right ahead.

If the Cowboys lose more quality to free agency than they gain they may still get some compensatory picks. It’s not based purely on quantity.

 

[Chasing6]

You picked the lowest signed AAV. I have no interest in red herrings particularly when I never said that.

Who is not paying attention? You know what does count? Signed players.

Signed players that actually play. Snap counts count, average salary counts, playoff success counts. Those players will not play more than 30%, are not being paid much, and we will not have any playoff success.

They will not count against us. That is why Stephen likes signing them to begin with. That is his FA strategy.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Signed players that actually play. Snap counts count, average salary counts, playoff success counts. Those players will not play more than 30%, are not being paid much, and we will not have any playoff success.

They will not count against us. That is why Stephen likes signing them to begin with. That is his FA strategy.

Here we are again with you assuming you can predict the future. It's a circular waste of time.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If the Cowboys lose more quality to free agency than they gain they may still get some compensatory picks. It’s not based purely on quantity.

Sure and if he actually tried to do something other than make up snap counts 6 months before the season and constructed as opposed to asserting such an argument than sure. Of course that is not the ratio.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

EE as in electrical engineering? He has a chemical engineering degree (not a PhD or anything either, probably not a MS)….
It’s cool, keep defending the crappy job he and his dad have done, even with this sabermetrics department. What fan cares about that if the team constantly underperforms? My original point stands, he’s dumb with how he runs the roster…..u seem to think a degree in one field makes him brilliant in another. That’s ignorance….thinking a degree in A makes him brilliant in B or C or D etc.
U say I can’t do some things he can…..sure, but there’s things I can do he can’t, I’ve literally saved lives and he hasnt….but neither our degrees mean crap when managing a football roster…..zero reason for you to bring that stuff up

Still don’t get why you taking up this convo on his behalf….hes not going to read you defending him and take you to dinner or anything……u for real a cowboys fan, ok with the job management has done?

Fine chemical engineering still needs to be able to do that level of math. The point is engineering versus random medical field. It is literally the difference between a dozen math courses and two.

Your distinction changes nothing. I love how you guys win a point of fact versus me and act like you accomplished something though. Trying to win as opposed to finding the truth is the difference.

You going to address his continuing work with the Cowboys stats department or just keep pretending it was never said?

 

[Bigrandrn]

Fine chemical engineering still needs to be able to do that level of math. The point is engineering versus random medical field. It is literally the difference between a dozen math courses and two.

Your distinction changes nothing. I love how you guys win a point of fact versus me and act like you accomplished something though. Trying to win as opposed to finding the truth is the difference.

You going to address his continuing work with the Cowboys stats department or just keep pretending it was never said?

My original point was he and Jerry are dumb as a GMs, he didn’t make no moneyball thing where he is SUCCESSFULLY building a roster. U for some reason decided to talk crap and defend dude who is doing a bad job, with or without any statistical model he may have made. Just because he did that doesn’t mean it’s effective. It’s like a modified appeal to authority logical fallacy…..just because the guy has a BS in engineering (which u act like is unattainable just because my interests where in other majors) u think he’s successful as GM because of it or something when this isn’t chemical engineering…..the contention is they THINK they are being smart about roster management but it hasn’t worked….that’s the take away.

I criticized his methods as a GM and the results, u responded with “well he can do math that you can’t, so there”…..weird take by you from the start.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

My original point was he and Jerry are dumb as a GMs, he didn’t make no moneyball thing where he is SUCCESSFULLY building a roster. U for some reason decided to talk crap and defend dude who is doing a bad job, with or without any statistical model he may have made. Just because he did that doesn’t mean it’s effective. It’s like a modified appeal to authority logical fallacy…..just because the guy has a BS in engineering (which u act like is unattainable just because my interests where in other majors) u think he’s successful as GM because of it or something when this isn’t chemical engineering…..the contention is they THINK they are being smart about roster management but it hasn’t worked….that’s the take away.

I criticized his methods as a GM and the results, u responded with “well he can do math that you can’t, so there”…..weird take by you from the start.

I addressed your argument directly by pointing out the distinction between CE and EE made no difference. It apparently made you mad.

I just said that he was different than you in experience so your comparison to yourself made no sense. I have no idea your math acumen you chose something else nothing wrong with that.

I then compared you to many people that i argue with. It is an observation. I imagine you are thinking something along the lines of , 'he's not as smart as he thinks he is.' Your tirade is hardly novel.

I enjoy the semi-coherent rant though.

 

[FanofJerry]

If Jerry has sabotaged the Cowboys with drama, low coaching payrolls, suspicious things that happen to us in the playoffs...

Everyone us saying Jerry is cheap in this very board...and he is all about the bottom line...

Why would Jerry and Stephen invest in a sabermetrics department if hanging at the rim was their business model?

I get that hanging at the rims quote can only be speculated on what the meaning is...and I assume no one on here knows how big or small the analytics dept is that the Cowboys employ...

My point still stands...why invest in that department if early exists in the playoffs is what you prefer if it makes you more money?

Its along the same lines of Jerry not employing enough coaches...he doesn't value them, he thinks it's the players talent that is more valuable. Well, why invest in an analytics dept if hanging at the rim is the goal? An analytics dept I'd if you're trying to win. Maybe Jerry thinks employing a dept creates an illusion of trying to win?

 

[Chasing6]

Here we are again with you assuming you can predict the future. It's a circular waste of time.

Just look at the contracts. We lost starters and signed depth players. We have signed 1 year deals and our players that left signed 3 year deals. It is not rocket science.

 

[kskboys]

My original point was he and Jerry are dumb as a GMs, he didn’t make no moneyball thing where he is SUCCESSFULLY building a roster. U for some reason decided to talk crap and defend dude who is doing a bad job, with or without any statistical model he may have made. Just because he did that doesn’t mean it’s effective. It’s like a modified appeal to authority logical fallacy…..just because the guy has a BS in engineering (which u act like is unattainable just because my interests where in other majors) u think he’s successful as GM because of it or something when this isn’t chemical engineering…..the contention is they THINK they are being smart about roster management but it hasn’t worked….that’s the take away.

I criticized his methods as a GM and the results, u responded with “well he can do math that you can’t, so there”…..weird take by you from the start.

As per usual.

 

[Chasing6]

Here we are again with you assuming you can predict the future. It's a circular waste of time.

https://www.ninersnation.com/2025/3/14/24385494/49ers-aaron-banks-talanoa-hufanga-charvarius-ward

 

[CoachD]

Yes very much so as Jerry continues to shop at the dollar store.

 

[Jarntt]

Are we trying to pull off some sort of Moneyball?​

The Jones version is called Pennyball...

 

[exciter]

I'm starting to wonder if we are trying to pull off some sort of "Moneyball" style form of team building were we are looking at certain metrics that the general public doesn't generally perceive as valuable to sign lower dollar FA and acquire players via trade.

I'm not saying that it is a positive or a good thing, but it certainly seems like they are targeting certain players who have an athletic profile over an NFL pedigree.

Our offseason seems to have a theme... from the coaching search/hire to the FA period, to the players we are adding...

They’re covering there *** at positions of perceived need in the event value isn’t there at these positions at there draft pick!
Outside of Thomas and the LB from the Bears and maybe Williams they’d be thrilled if the draft fell so as they could release these players after camp!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

https://www.ninersnation.com/2025/3/14/24385494/49ers-aaron-banks-talanoa-hufanga-charvarius-ward

Adorable. You have a link!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Just look at the contracts. We lost starters and signed depth players. We have signed 1 year deals and our players that left signed 3 year deals. It is not rocket science.

I have and you still do not know how comp picks work and act like you can make declarations like this with certainty.

I find it funny.