Arizona OL Will Hernandez a free agent this offseason about Klayton Adams

[Denim Chicken]

I hope Klayton Adams is not the OL coach . OC is a huge responsibility even if you’re not calling plays and OL coach is a key to a successful powerful move the chains line . Let’s not get cheap Jerry go get a OL coach hired a good one ,

Adam's is going to be in charge of the protection schemes. Our Ol coach needs to be someone who can take teach technique.

 

[Rayman70]

Adam's is going to be in charge of the protection schemes. Our Ol coach needs to be someone who can take teach technique.

That rules out Solari lol.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Hoffman is so overrated by Cowboys fans. He's a great guy and decent depth who can play a game or 2 at OG or C when needed, but he is not even an average starting OL.

Put up evidence to support your rhetoric against Hoffman. If what you say is true, it should be easy to find plenty of evidence to support your disapproval of Brock Hoffman.

 

[blueblood70]

Hoffman is not an NFL starter on a good or great line.

He just doesn’t have the athleticism.

Again, the guy is a fine player, but he’s not a player you should not be looking to upgrade over.

I SAY HE IS!!!!!! ..OPINION standoff continues...

 

[America's Cowboy]

Yeah Hoffman was way more up and down than people realize. He has some very solid performances, but also got taken to school a few games this year as well. I look at him as a high end backup/low end starter right now. If they do look at a FA G or draft one I think it becomes a very serious conversation of do you trade Hoffman? Hes shown he can play in this league to some extent and will be extremely cheap this year. He might net you a mid to early 4th? Is that worth giving up depth on the interior and just rolling with Bass?

Hoffman was Taken to school? When? How many times?

 

[blueblood70]

That rules out Solari lol.

I disagree with that I mean I don't want him back but if he does come back he like other position coaches and coordinators can run more than one system I promise you if it's demanded upon him to run a different scheme I'm sure he's capable these guys have been around for decades they've seen all schemes they may have their preference but it's not like they can't teach whatever the offensive coordinator asks of them...

 

[thunderpimp91]

Hoffman was Taken to school? When? How many times?

Without going through all my notes I'd say at very least the Tampa game. Here are the timestamps I have on what I would consider negative plays for Hoffman that game.

Q1 3:36 - Falls down after running into Veas back
Q1 2:58 - Hoffman beat on a quick swim move that blows up the play
Q1 2:52 - On the Tolbert TD, Vea beats hoffman for quick pressure forcing an early throw
Q2 10:49 - Chop block doesnt even phase Vea
Q2 4:10 - 96 just pushes Hoffman out of the way to make the tackle on Dowdle on a toss play....a toss play.
Q2 3:29 - Ball comes out quick so it doesnt hurt the play but Hoffman is late to pickup the stunt and gets driven back into QB depth
Q2 3:05 - Rush gets the ball off, but Hoffman pushed back qb depth again
Q2 :48 - Looks like he was slow to pick up the stunt - #9 drives him into QB depth
Q2 :28 - Hoffman gives up the sack in right around 2 seconds
Q3 8:23 - Hoffman false start
Q3 :31 - Nice down block on #96 but Hoffman too slow to get off that block and to the LB who made the play for minimal gain
Q4 14:27 - Beat by #96 who is playing an inside technique moving outside on the outside zone run. All Hoffman needed to do here was wall his man off to open a seam for Dowdle, instead he makes the play
Q4 13:20 - Penalty on Hoffman, holding
Q4 13:03 - Hoffman beat on a quick inside move from #94
Q4 9:10 - Hoffman beat by a bull rush on #94, 94 gets a hit on Rush after the ball is released

Washington/Philly/Cincinnati I have excellent grades on from him. I didn't take extensive notes in these games but Philly & Carolina I have that he looked pretty average.

 

[blueblood70]

Hoffman is not an NFL starter on a good or great line.

He just doesn’t have the athleticism.

Again, the guy is a fine player, but he’s not a player you should not be looking to upgrade over.

Every offensive lineman doesn't get labeled as an athlete, what kind of athleticism did Nate Newton have ?? that dude actually when we came here the offensive line looked like a bunch of no names ,it looked out of sorts but the coaching staff got it together here before our first Super Bowl in the 90s.. some of those dudes were not athletic they were big and strong and they were Max effort guys you know they had a little bit of an attitude that is Hoffman and a little bit of bass both those dudes can be starters because you can expect them to play above their actual athleticism..

they don't have to be that athletic to play on the offensive line, they need to know their assignments they need to execute at a high level ,and if you add in that they have some attitude and some toughness to them where they have the extra effort guys... they can every bit be starters in this league as long as they're mixed in with the better lineman that we already have...

So, we will continue to have a difference of opinion because I think that the perspective from fans that think every player needs to be a pro bowler or an all pro in order to be a starter and that is not the case that is not how the makeup of the NFL works when you have a salary cap you can only pay so many of those all Pro Bowl ours you have to find a way to mix in normal regular guys in your starting rotations all over the field..

 

[thunderpimp91]

Every offensive lineman doesn't get labeled as an athlete what kind of athleticism did Nate Newton have that dude actually when we came here the offensive line looked like a bunch of no names it looked out of sorts but the coaching staff got it together here before our first Super Bowl in the 90s some of those dudes were not athletic they were big and strong and they were Max effort guys you know they had a little bit of an attitude that is Hoffman and a little bit of bass both those dudes can be starters because you can expect them to play above their actual athleticism they don't have to be that athletic to play on the offensive line they need to know their assignments they need to execute at a high level and if you add in that they have some attitude and some toughness to them where they have the extra effort guy they can every bit be starters in this league as long as they're mixed in with the better lineman that we already have...

So we will continue to have a difference of opinion because I think that the perspective from fans that think every player needs to be a pro bowler or an all pro in order to be a starter and that is not the case that is not how the makeup of the NFL works when you have a salary cap you can only pay so many of those all Pro Bowl ours you have to find a way to mix in normal regular guys in your starting rotations all over the field..

Issue is this isnt the 90s with power football dominating. The modern league requires your interior guys to be powerful enough to take on these 320+ pound bullrushes, but also pull and block at the 2nd level at very high rates. Especially if they are looking to implement some Klayton Adams run concepts the theme will be having OL that can move. I agree you can't expect 5 all pros on your OL every year, but I wouldn't pass up on a Hoffman upgrade if it presented itself this year.

 

[RonWashington]

Put up evidence to support your rhetoric against Hoffman. If what you say is true, it should be easy to find plenty of evidence to support your disapproval of Brock Hoffman.

With Smith Hoffman Bass Richards why would Dallas want to spend $ on Will Hernandez .

 

[RonWashington]

I saw a mock draft had Dallas taking a UT G with pick 12 .

 

[Proof]

Without going through all my notes I'd say at very least the Tampa game. Here are the timestamps I have on what I would consider negative plays for Hoffman that game.

Q1 3:36 - Falls down after running into Veas back
Q1 2:58 - Hoffman beat on a quick swim move that blows up the play
Q1 2:52 - On the Tolbert TD, Vea beats hoffman for quick pressure forcing an early throw
Q2 10:49 - Chop block doesnt even phase Vea
Q2 4:10 - 96 just pushes Hoffman out of the way to make the tackle on Dowdle on a toss play....a toss play.
Q2 3:29 - Ball comes out quick so it doesnt hurt the play but Hoffman is late to pickup the stunt and gets driven back into QB depth
Q2 3:05 - Rush gets the ball off, but Hoffman pushed back qb depth again
Q2 :48 - Looks like he was slow to pick up the stunt - #9 drives him into QB depth
Q2 :28 - Hoffman gives up the sack in right around 2 seconds
Q3 8:23 - Hoffman false start
Q3 :31 - Nice down block on #96 but Hoffman too slow to get off that block and to the LB who made the play for minimal gain
Q4 14:27 - Beat by #96 who is playing an inside technique moving outside on the outside zone run. All Hoffman needed to do here was wall his man off to open a seam for Dowdle, instead he makes the play
Q4 13:20 - Penalty on Hoffman, holding
Q4 13:03 - Hoffman beat on a quick inside move from #94
Q4 9:10 - Hoffman beat by a bull rush on #94, 94 gets a hit on Rush after the ball is released

Washington/Philly/Cincinnati I have excellent grades on from him. I didn't take extensive notes in these games but Philly & Carolina I have that he looked pretty average.

i love this response so much lol.

 

[America's Cowboy]

With Smith Hoffman Bass Richards why would Dallas want to spend $ on Will Hernandez .

Exactly. Sadly, some of our fellow brothers don't understand that. It will be cheaper to retain our young interior Olinemen than signing a veteran for much more cost. The 2nd half of our 2024 season showed how well our young interior Olinemen can perform if given a chance to play.

 

[America's Cowboy]

i love this response so much lol.

It is merely his own personal response. Would have been nice if a video of the game was included so one can see for themselves if what our fellow poster said what he saw is accurate or not.

No disrespect meant at all towards @thunderpimp91 .

 

[JayFord]

Honest offer and he gets to look at the Jones’ private jet