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[BleedSilverandBlue]

I SAY HE IS!!!!!! ..OPINION standoff continues...

That's great. We both can have our opinions. Don't really know how I could prove anything to you. Player evaluation is nearly 100% opinion.

There is a reason he was an UDFA and even got cut from the roster at one point. Fine player, but one you can definitely upgrade over.

I agree you can do a lot worse than Hoffman though.

 

[America's Cowboy]

That's great. We both can have our opinions. Don't really know how I could prove anything to you. Player evaluation is nearly 100% opinion.

There is a reason he was an UDFA and even got cut from the roster at one point. Fine player, but one you can definitely upgrade over.

I agree you can do a lot worse than Hoffman though.

Just proves how stupid and wrong the Cowboys decision makers were. They do this all the time. Nothing to be happy about.

 

[RonWashington]

With the defense non competitive against playoff caliber opponents the running back room ( is Dowdle coming back ) the WR opposite Lamb situation to be honest G is the last thing McClay & Jerry need to focus on .

 

[speedkilz88]

Every offensive lineman doesn't get labeled as an athlete, what kind of athleticism did Nate Newton have ?? that dude actually when we came here the offensive line looked like a bunch of no names ,it looked out of sorts but the coaching staff got it together here before our first Super Bowl in the 90s.. some of those dudes were not athletic they were big and strong and they were Max effort guys you know they had a little bit of an attitude that is Hoffman and a little bit of bass both those dudes can be starters because you can expect them to play above their actual athleticism..

they don't have to be that athletic to play on the offensive line, they need to know their assignments they need to execute at a high level ,and if you add in that they have some attitude and some toughness to them where they have the extra effort guys... they can every bit be starters in this league as long as they're mixed in with the better lineman that we already have...

So, we will continue to have a difference of opinion because I think that the perspective from fans that think every player needs to be a pro bowler or an all pro in order to be a starter and that is not the case that is not how the makeup of the NFL works when you have a salary cap you can only pay so many of those all Pro Bowl ours you have to find a way to mix in normal regular guys in your starting rotations all over the field..

Nate Newton was extremely athletic but overweight for much of his time especially early on. He even played some at RT against Reggie White.

 

[Proof]

Once again, it's most appreciated but it's merely his opinion. What he sees as a missed block can actually be different.

right. i addressed that. said right or wrong i appreciate it. that’s all im speaking to. i can get analyst information all over the net or regurgitated ad nauseum by other posters here.

to be fair i enjoy many of your posts as well

 

[blueblood70]

That's great. We both can have our opinions. Don't really know how I could prove anything to you. Player evaluation is nearly 100% opinion.

There is a reason he was an UDFA and even got cut from the roster at one point. Fine player, but one you can definitely upgrade over.

I agree you can do a lot worse than Hoffman though.

you Reasoning is still wrong, I say his play on the field speaks for itself, I don't care if he was undrafted or taken in the first round or the 7th round, when I see with my eyes is a very good player, that is a starter in this league... he may not be a topflight starter but he's definitely a starter and so is bass and there's even potential out there with Thomas and Richards and you all just don't see it because they weren't taken in the first round!!??

OMG poor fan base that only need to see BIG names to make them special. LOL

I don't know where you come up with this you're trying to tell me that someone who's undrafted for whatever reason makes them less of a player even though we've seen guys undrafted go to the Hall of Fame I mean do you have to remind yourself that Tony Romo was not drafted and he was one of the best quarterbacks to play for the Dallas Cowboys? How about Drew Pearson?

there are so many more undrafted players that make the Hall of Fame, because so many misses in the first round with people reaching especially at quarterback but here's something I brought up Nate Newton because I want to bring this up he was considered out of shape on athletic and he was on the verge of losing his job around here when Jerry bought the team and they resurrected his career.

guess what he wasn't drafted as a matter of fact he wasn't even an undrafted free agent because he went to the USFL first..

Ironic his career turned out great..huh? Kurt warner? yup UDFA

Have nice read, this list should open your eyes but look at how many Dallas Cowboys are on that list I just thought that was ironic since we're having a conversation about a Dallas Cowboys being undervalued because he wasn't drafted and yet most people that see his game say he's at least a starter in this league and I think he's I I don't care what you say he's at least as good as them if not better as good or Better better than Connor Williams, Connor McGovern, you know guys we've let go like Biadish, i don't care what you say he's at least as good as them if not better and they were drafted inthe top 3 rounds..

https://www.nfl.com/photos/top-30-undrafted-players-in-nfl-history-0ap3000000663921

Nate Newton was drafted by the Tampa Bay Bandits in the 1983 USFL Territorial Draft. However, he signed with the Washington Commanders as an undrafted free agent in May 1983.

Explanation

• Newton was born in Orlando, Florida on December 20, 1961.
  
  
• He played college football for the Florida A&M Rattlers.
  
  
• In 1984, he played for the Tampa Bay Bandits of the USFL.
  
  
• In 1986, he signed with the Dallas Cowboys as a free agent after the USFL folded.
  
  
• Newton played for the Cowboys for 13 seasons, from 1986 to 1998.
  
  
• He was a three-time Super Bowl champion, a six-time Pro Bowler, and a two-time first-team All-Pro.

 

[blueblood70]

That's great. We both can have our opinions. Don't really know how I could prove anything to you. Player evaluation is nearly 100% opinion.

There is a reason he was an UDFA and even got cut from the roster at one point. Fine player, but one you can definitely upgrade over.

I agree you can do a lot worse than Hoffman though.

https://www.nfl.com/photos/top-30-undrafted-players-in-nfl-history-0ap3000000663921

 

[BleedSilverandBlue]

https://www.nfl.com/photos/top-30-undrafted-players-in-nfl-history-0ap3000000663921

Brock Hoffman is not Wes Welker lol.

Being an UDFA doesn’t mean you can’t play, but Hoffman is not some special talent that slipped through the cracks. He’s just a guy.

I think we all tend to overlook his boneheaded unnecessary roughness penalties that he gets called for every other game under the pretense that he’s “tough”. No, those flags he gets are actually just stupid.

Again though, he’s a fine player and will probably start here for a few years on the cheap which is great.

 

[blueblood70]

Brock Hoffman is not Wes Welker lol.

Being an UDFA doesn’t mean you can’t play, but Hoffman is not some special talent that slipped through the cracks. He’s just a guy.

I think we all tend to overlook his boneheaded unnecessary roughness penalties that he gets called for every other game under the pretense that he’s “tough”. No, those flags he gets are actually just stupid.

Dude that list is 30 deep I bet when Wes Welker was brought on the team nobody thought he was Wes Welker you guys are annoying about how you think you know everything my point is when they were brought into the NFL there was no expectations they were literally looked at the same way that you're looking at Hoffman 30 deep I mean you're using hindsight to say this I'm telling you when they were brought into the NFL they were looked at the same way do you can keep on pressing I gave you a list of 30 undrafted free agents that turned out to be great..

Of course he's not a small white dude as a white wide receiver I mean literally that's not the point but there are some big men on there like Peters and Nate Newton and others are lineman that were thought of the same way they were not drafted they were not big names they were not known but they became really good and then they became great but you also need to be on a great team with other great people around you to make that happen but individually most of us look at Hoffman and see a Max effort guy, that's very strong, got a little attitude ,and then he plays at the position with really good form/ technique you know that's all you need from a guy he makes up for his lack of athleticism/pure talent, with the rest of it..

so, you can say what you want from behind your desk, and I get to say what I want, but go look at all those players you look at just Wes Welker, Wes Welker was nothing until he was...

That's the point how does Brock Purdy like a last person in the draft ,so he gets drafted LAST, so he must be special compared to the undrafted players, but even him wasn't supposed to turn out to be anything he's starting for the 49ers in the Super bowl yes that's how it works all you need is a chance and then you get in and then you're evaluated and then if you have a good coaching staff and you have a good supporting cast you can become great you can become something you're judging this guy because he was undrafted you can't let it go and I just gave you a list of undrafted players that turned out to be great..

they were created from nothing.

 

[blueblood70]

Nate Newton was extremely athletic but overweight for much of his time especially early on. He even played some at RT against Reggie White.

I think you just made my point for me the man was overweight struggled with his weight he wasn't as fast or as mobile as what one would call athletic that would be tyron Smith you seen the man without a shirt on you seen how you can move you see how he could just like stop people in their tracks guys who can pull and move that was not Nate Newton he was not in that kind of offense he was in a straightforward bulldozer move your guy off his spot don't let anybody in the backfield and they did a very good job of it but the man and I'm betting is not as athletic and ask him what he thinks of Hoffman people are down grading with this guy could be given the opportunities with even better coaching in a scheme that fits better I mean look what they did at the end of the year having at least 2 starters missing and these guys filled in admirably..

I think I was trying to make this point to the other guy the other guy says Hoffman is just a Jag he's he doesn't have anything to offer as a starter and I'm telling him that he's wrong because my eyes say differently he's played center very well when asked he's played right guard very well when asked and what that tells me is he's doing his job well since the run game looked better with him than it did with Martin and I don't care about injuries the man played well and he deserves a shot at the starting and we don't need to be all desperate and reach for OL in this draft. IMHO

we also have Bass and N.Thomas plus Richardson shoed soem promise etc . So I believe we have enough bodies for the new staff to work with and if they don't think so then I guess we'll just have to wait and see how that works out..