Arkansas definately got screwed

[theogt]

However, I stand on the fact that most would probably agree with my position. The rest I leave up to you.

Most people don't know the rules either.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Most people don't know the rules either.

I would include you in that number.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Most people don't know the rules either.

I would include you in that number.

 

[theogt]

I would include you in that number.

Really? That's funny since I'm the guy that actually had to post the rule and explain to you how the rule applied to the PI.

At that point you stopped arguing about the actual merits of the call and started going off-topic altogether.

I'll consider your white flag waved.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Really? That's funny since I'm the guy that actually had to post the rule and explain to you how the rule applied to the PI.

At that point you stopped arguing about the actual merits of the call and started going off-topic altogether.

I'll consider your white flag waved.

Your delusional. First of all, you didn't have to do anything. Second of all, what you posted, doesn't diminish the fact that it was not Pass Interferance.

 

[theogt]

Your delusional. First of all, you didn't have to do anything. Second of all, what you posted, doesn't diminish the fact that it was not Pass Interferance.

Did this actually make sense in your head before you posted it?

 

[Rogah]

Your delusional. First of all, you didn't have to do anything. Second of all, what you posted, doesn't diminish the fact that it was not Pass Interferance.

Just ignore the guy. 99% of the world is on our side and agree it wasn't PI so that's good enough for me.

 

[theogt]

Just ignore the guy. 99% of the world is on our side and agree it wasn't PI so that's good enough for me.

Another guy that gave up on arguing the actual mechanics of the call.

White flags abound.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Another guy that gave up on arguing the actual mechanics of the call.

White flags abound.

You can shout at the world all you want. Doesn't change the fact that the majority doesn't agree with you.

 

[Temo]

There's no way that wasn't PI.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Here's the applicable college rule:

"When two or more eligible players are making a simultaneous and bona fide attempt to reach, catch or bat the pass. Eligible players of either team have equal rights to the ball (A.R. 7-3-8-XII)."

I don't think you can really argue that the cornerback was making a "bona fide attempt to reach, catch or bat the pass" at the point where he contacted the receiver.

I don't either. There is no question, the DB was trying to make a play on the ball.

 

[theogt]

I don't either. There is no question, the DB was trying to make a play on the ball.

Yes, he was making a play on a ball he couldn't possibly even see.

Good one.

 

[Rogah]

Another guy that gave up on arguing the actual mechanics of the call.

White flags abound.

Let's see... first you quoted the NFL's Rules digest, as if those apply here. Then you finally came around with college rules, which clearly supports the notion that you are wrong.

It seems you're one of those ignorant people that thinks me dropping out of a debate equates to "waving the white flag." Fact is I'm right and I know I am right and I am now going to step aside to let you have the last word you are so desparate to have.

But having the last word does nothing to change the fact that you are wrong.

 

[romo2to]

Pretty good article on BCS and officiating this year in LA Times today.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-dufresne2-2009nov02,0,2448913.column?page=1

 

[theogt]

Let's see... first you quoted the NFL's Rules digest, as if those apply here. Then you finally came around with college rules, which clearly supports the notion that you are wrong.

It seems you're one of those ignorant people that thinks me dropping out of a debate equates to "waving the white flag." Fact is I'm right and I know I am right and I am now going to step aside to let you have the last word you are so desparate to have.

But having the last word does nothing to change the fact that you are wrong.

First, someone else quoted the NFL rule. I just showed them how even if you use the NFL rule it wouldn't be a pass interference.

Second, you were also confused about what play it was, now you're confused about who posted what? Why not just give up on the thread and the argument altogether?

Oh, right you already have.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yes, he was making a play on a ball he couldn't possibly even see.

Good one.

There is no point of rule that says he must see the ball. It only says that he must be trying to make a play on the ball. He was clearly doing that.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

First, someone else quoted the NFL rule. I just showed them how even if you use the NFL rule it wouldn't be a pass interference.

Correct. It was not pass interference.

 

[theogt]

There is no point of rule that says he must see the ball. It only says that he must be trying to make a play on the ball. He was clearly doing that.

It says he must be making a "bona fide attempt to reach, catch or bat the pass."

If you're interfering with the receiver and just happen to have your hand out, without actually knowing where the ball is, you're not making a "bona fide attempt." Otherwise, corners would just stick their hand up all the time and you would never have pass interference calls.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It says he must be making a "bona fide attempt to reach, catch or bat the pass."

If you're interfering with the receiver and just happen to have your hand out, without actually knowing where the ball is, you're not making a "bona fide attempt." Otherwise, corners would just stick their hand up all the time and you would never have pass interference calls.

:laugh2:

This whole post is a contradition. What does Bona Fide mean?

Definitions of bona fide on the Web:

undertaken in good faith; "a bona fide offer"

The rule as you presented it:



Here's the applicable college rule:

"When two or more eligible players are making a simultaneous and bona fide attempt to reach, catch or bat the pass. Eligible players of either team have equal rights to the ball (A.R. 7-3-8-XII)."


As the DB runs stride for stride in a trailing position with the WR, the WR slows, turns and looks back for the ball. When the DB sees this, he too turns in an attempt to make a play on the ball. The funny part of this is that the WR actually initiates contact. You can clearly see the WRs arms around the DB in an attempt to reach for the ball. The DB is turning to try and get his body in position to make a play but the WR is actually pushing him down or so it would appear. There is more interference from the WR then from the DB.
Clearly, both were trying to make a bona fide effort for the ball. That is all that is required according to this rule.


Again, it was not pass interference.

 

[theogt]

So, you think that if a corner ever sticks his hand out to bat down a pass when he sees the receiver tracking the ball, even if the corner can't see the ball himself, the corner can make contact with the receiver without a pass interference call?

Sorry, guy, that's not gonna fly in either college or the pros. If the corner doesn't even know where the ball is, he can't make a bona fide attempt on the ball.