ARTICLE: Former Cowboy Mel Renfro has advice for S Roy Williams

[dcowboysfan76]

You're forgetting that whenever any coach talks about one of his player's responsibilities or their performance, they're always lying.

Wow you just shot down your comrades remark about Parcells......so I guess Parcells was lying when he said:

Dallasfaniac:

I have already provided an article where Parcells said Roy is not the problem, that the other teams stay away from him and that the few plays he does give up happen because of the nature of the position.

 

[zrinkill]

Oh, really? Below is a list of all 29 deep passes (20 yards or more downfield) attempted against us this season -- seven completions, 20 incompletions and two interceptions.

On how many of these plays did you "already know the pass will be completed"?

On how many of these plays was "Roy back there in coverage"?

And on how many of these plays was "Roy pointing fingers at the end of the play"?

I think you'll be shocked at the answers.




NEW YORK GIANTS

First Quarter

1-10-NYG 40 (13:42) 10-E.Manning pass deep middle to 17-P.Burress for 60 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Deep middle post pattern.(36 yards downfield)

2-3-DAL 35 (4:09) 10-E.Manning pass incomplete deep left to 81-A.Toomer. (35 yards downfield)

Second Quarter

1-10-NYG 25 (3:53) 10-E.Manning pass deep middle to 17-P.Burress to DAL 48 for 27 yards (42-A.Henry). (26 yards downfield)

1-10-DAL 26 14) (Shotgun) 10-E.Manning pass incomplete deep right to 12-S.Smith. Pass caught out of bounds right corner of the end zone. (26 yards downfield)

Third Quarter

3-8-DAL 30 (5:58) (Shotgun) 10-E.Manning pass incomplete deep right to 17-P.Burress (35-J.Reeves). Reeves broke up the pass 5 yards deep right corner of the end zone. Ware heavy pressure on the quarterback. (30 yards downfield)

1-10-NYG 19 (4:10) 10-E.Manning pass incomplete deep right to 80-J.Shockey. Pass incomplete at the New York 39; Spencer closest defender. (20 yards downfield)

Fourth Quarter

3-3-NYG 41 (2:17) 13-J.Lorenzen pass incomplete deep right to 17-P.Burress. (35 yards downfield)

MIAMI

Second Quarter

2-10-MIA 20 (15:00) 10-T.Green pass deep left intended for 86-M.Booker INTERCEPTED by 42-A.Henry at DAL 37. 42-A.Henry to DAL 37 for no gain (86-M.Booker). (43 yards downfield)

3-12-DAL 27 16) 10-T.Green pass incomplete deep right to 84-C.Chambers. (27 yards downfield)

Third Quarter

1-10-MIA 26 (2:04) 10-T.Green pass deep left to 84-C.Chambers to 50 for 24 yards (26-K.Hamlin; 42-A.Henry). (22 yards downfield)

Fourth Quarter

1-10-DAL 35 (3:49) (Shotgun) 10-T.Green pass incomplete deep left to 86-M.Booker (42-A.Henry). (20 yards downfield)

1-10-DAL 21 (3:37) (Shotgun) 10-T.Green pass deep right to 82-D.Hagan for 21 yards, TOUCHDOWN. (21 yards downfield)

1-10-MIA 26 (3:10) (Shotgun) 10-T.Green pass incomplete deep right to 82-D.Hagan. (34 yards downfield)

CHICAGO

Second Quarter

2-6-DAL 31 (15:00) 8-R.Grossman pass deep middle intended for 87-M.Muhammad INTERCEPTED by 42-A.Henry at DAL 11. 42-A.Henry to DAL 34 for 23 yards (81-R.Davis). (20 yards downfield)

3-8-CHI 25 (10:58) 8-R.Grossman pass incomplete deep left to 81-R.Davis (41-T.Newman). (22 yards downfield)

1-10-DAL 46 (2:05) 8-R.Grossman pass incomplete deep middle to 88-D.Clark. (20 yards downfield)

ST. LOUIS

First Quarter

2-15-DAL 49 (5:42) 10-M.Bulger pass incomplete deep right to 81-T.Holt. Pass incomplete sideline at the Dallas 28; Hamlin closest defender. (21 yards downfield)

1-10-SL 31 (3:13) 10-M.Bulger pass incomplete short middle to 81-T.Holt (42-A.Henry). Pass incomplete on deep post at the Dallas 22. (47 yards downfield)

Second Quarter

1-10-DAL 26 (15:00) 10-M.Bulger pass incomplete short right to 81-T.Holt. Pass incomplete at the Dallas 1 yard line; Hamlin closest defender. (25 yards downfield)

Third Quarter

3-10-SL 34 (11:18) (Shotgun) 10-M.Bulger pass incomplete to 82-D.Hall (35-J.Reeves). Pass incomplete at the Dallas 39 right sideline. (27 yards downfield)

Fourth Quarter

1-10-SL 17 (6:29) 12-G.Frerotte pass incomplete deep right to 83-D.Bennett. Pass incomplete at the Dallas 46; Reeves closest defender. (37 yards downfield)

BUFFALO

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NEW ENGLAND

First Quarter

1-10-NE 26 (13:17) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete deep middle to 81-R.Moss. Deep post pattern; incomplete at the Dallas 22; Hamlin closest defender. (52 yards downfield)

3-7-NE 34 (3:39) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass deep middle to 84-B.Watson to DAL 38 for 28 yards (31-R.Williams). (23 yards downfield)

3-7-DAL 35 (2:20) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass deep middle to 83-W.Welker for 35 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Post pattern. (22 yards downfield)

Second Quarter

1-10-NE 37 (10:42) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete short middle to 81-R.Moss. Flea-flicker; incomplete at the Dallas 4; Newman closest defender. (59 yards downfield)

Third Quarter

2-1-NE 46 (8:55) (Shotgun) 12-T.Brady pass incomplete deep right to 81-R.Moss. Pass incomplete at the Dallas 32; Reeves closest defender. (22 yards downfield)


Fourth Quarter

1-10-NE 31 (12:31) 12-T.Brady pass deep middle to 18-D.Stallworth for 69 yards, TOUCHDOWN. (28 yards downfield)


MINNESOTA

Second Quarter

1-10-MIN 1 (11:29) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete to 82-T.Williamson. Pass incomplete fly pattern at the Minnesota 45; Hamilin closest defender. (44 yards downfield)

Fourth Quarter

1-10-DAL 45 (6:21) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete deep middle to 18-S.Rice (35-J.Reeves). (44 yards downfield)

Wow ..... I do not think I have ever seen anyone get owned worse than Adam smacked dcowboysfan76 with this post.

 

[AdamJT13]

Because I don't see things the way you do I am blind? I and others have provided concrete evidence disproving some of your statements and we are the ones that cannot see? Are you sure you can see your way out of this thread?

What have you guys provided? One guy only attempted to provide some completion stats, and you only provided portion of a remark by a coach. You are no better than me in providing "evidence" IMO.....I've given examples of passes against Roy, this year and last year, but you Roy homers are quick to take up for him and say it wasn't his man. It's not about being his man, it's about making a play when you are in range. All you have to do is watch any Cowboy pregame show and plays will be shown where Roy looks lost in coverage. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see his flaws.....Can you see, if not come on down to the hospital, I would be more than happy to give you an exam.........



Quote:
Originally Posted by dcowboysfan76
Why do you think Wade is trying to use Roy as a Lb in some packages? To play him by his strengths right?

Because in those packages they bring in a FS in the SS spot because a FS covers deep passes better than SS. They leave Roy in there because not only is he force near the line, but he can also cover better than a LB. On those downs, they put their best pass coverage players in the game.[/I]

In other words Roy is a liability and the threat of a deep pass concerns the coach and he knows that Roy struggles with them.........Wow Mr. Concrete you are really good....You've proven my point .......

Hmm, what's that word for ignoring stats, ignoring the facts, ignoring the evidence and above all, ignoring what coaches and players have said?

Oh, that's right. Ignorance.

You do seem blissful.

 

[zrinkill]

You're forgetting that whenever any coach talks about one of his player's responsibilities or their performance, they're always lying.

Wow you just shot down your comrades remark about Parcells......so I guess Parcells was lying when he said:

Dallasfaniac:

I have already provided an article where Parcells said Roy is not the problem, that the other teams stay away from him and that the few plays he does give up happen because of the nature of the position.

You cannot be this stupid

 

[AdamJT13]

Wow you just shot down your comrades remark about Parcells......so I guess Parcells was lying when he said:

Dallasfaniac:[/I][/B]
[/I][/B]
I have already provided an article where Parcells said Roy is not the problem, that the other teams stay away from him and that the few plays he does give up happen because of the nature of the position.
[/I][/B]

Are you really that blind to sarcasm?

 

[tomson75]

The hilarity ensues...

 

[dcowboysfan76]

Wow ..... I do not think I have ever seen anyone get owned worse than Adam smacked dcowboysfan76 with this post.

UUUm this wasn't to me smart guy, it was to jdub

 

[dcowboysfan76]

Are you really that blind to sarcasm?

Nope, are you???? Because I was being sarcastic there, "lil bus"

 

[dallasfaniac]

In other words Roy is a liability and the threat of a deep pass concerns the coach and he knows that Roy struggles with them.........Wow Mr. Concrete you are really good....You've proven my point .......THANKS

You have difficulty comprehending english too? Moving Roy to the linebacker spot takes one more linebacker out of the game and substitutes in a FS or CB. If you don't move Roy to LB and you still wanted max pass coverage you would have to move a FS or CB to linebacker. What do you not understand about getting your best pass covering personel into the game?

 

[zrinkill]

Nope, are you???? Because I was being sarcastic there, "lil bus"

Rightttttttt

 

[zrinkill]

UUUm this wasn't to me smart guy, it was to jdub

Does not matter .... that post blew all of your arguments out of the water.

You are the captain of the Anti-Roy team in this thread buddy.

 

[dcowboysfan76]

You have difficulty comprehending english too? Moving Roy to the linebacker spot takes one more linebacker out of the game and substitutes in a FS or CB. If you don't move Roy to LB and you still wanted max pass coverage you would have to move a FS or CB to linebacker. What do you not understand about getting your best pass covering personel into the game?

I quite understand what you are saying by all means, but why don't you understand Roy has coverage issues?? It's obvious to me that he's a liability which is why they would prefer to put Roy at LB to defend TE's rather than a WR zooming by him after he bites on a double move or play action.......Best covering personnel! You said it, and guess what Roy is not included in "best".......

 

[dcowboysfan76]

Does not matter .... that post blew all of your arguments out of the water.

You are the captain of the Anti-Roy team in this thread buddy.

What did it blow out the water? Please elaborate? If anything you supported my point with the Giants, because on two plays Roy was in position to make two plays and prevent TD's......roll the film and look at them since you are the board librarian....

 

[zrinkill]

why don't you understand Roy has coverage issues??

Why don't you understand that ALL Strong safeties have "coverage issues" .... thats why they are Strong Safeties instead of Free or Corners.

And Roy has made more big plays in coverage than any other Strong Safety in the league for years and years.

 

[zrinkill]

roll the film and look at them since you are the board librarian....

See, you are getting me and Adam confused again ..... just like I am confusing you with Edunce and the other agenda boys.

 

[dcowboysfan76]

See, you are getting me and Adam confused again ..... just like I am confusing you with Edunce and the other agenda boys.

Nope I know who you are, but since he seems to be your buddy I figured you'd get the message to him.........

Note: I don't know who Edunce is, so that remark has to merit to me "lil bus"

 

[zrinkill]

Nope I know who you are, but since he seems to be your buddy I figured you'd get the message to him.........

Note: I don't know who Edunce is, so that remark has to merit to me "lil bus"

Ok Edunce.

 

[dcowboysfan76]

Why don't you understand that ALL Strong safeties have "coverage issues" .... thats why they are Strong Safeties instead of Free or Corners.

And Roy has made more big plays in coverage than any other Strong Safety in the league for years and years.

Not talking about all SS's just Roy..........but that's Jerry's fault, he knew Roy couldn't cover before he drafted him.......Roy was drafted because of his playmaking ability (of which we haven't seen in a while).....Roy can no longer live on the big hitter reputation, because teams are doing other things to him........

 

[dallasfaniac]

I quite understand what you are saying by all means, but why don't you understand Roy has coverage issues?? It's obvious to me that he's a liability which is why they would prefer to put Roy at LB to defend TE's rather than a WR zooming by him after he bites on a double move or play action.......Best covering personnel! You said it, and guess what Roy is not included in "best".......

They put him at LB not because he has coverage issues, but because he covers better than LBs do plus he can still get after the QB if desired.

Wade ran right by Charles Woodson for 40 yards, but Roy was able to cut in front trying to get the interception and still tip the ball away. Adrian Peterson is no slouch when catching the ball, averaging 17 yards a catch, yet against Roy did not have a completion. Peterson runs a 4.37, yet Roy shut him down.

Name anyone on the Cowboys better at covering than Roy, of course leaving out any FS and CB.

 

[zrinkill]

Not talking about all SS's just Roy..

What???? How the heck can you say a guy is average ..... but do not compare him to the other guys who play his position?

What is wrong with you? How old are you?