ARTICLE: Former Cowboy Mel Renfro has advice for S Roy Williams

[Hostile]

I would like to qualify this with 'compared to all other positions.'

Of course Roy isn't the best coverage guy when compared to cornerbacks and free safeties, but when you compare him to strong safeties Roy may have an argument.

There is not a SS in the NFL I'd take over him right now, but I am also honest enough to admit in a couple of years I may feel differently because I think Laron Landry is going to be great.

 

[dallasfaniac]

There is not a SS in the NFL I'd take over him right now, but I am also honest enough to admit in a couple of years I may feel differently because I think Laron Landry is going to be great.

I agree but he is still a FS to me, I don't care how the Commanders line him up. Roy and Landry on the field at the same time....

 

[Hostile]

I agree but he is still a FS to me, I don't care how the Commanders line him up. Roy and Landry on the field at the same time....

You think Taylor is their SS?

I like him too, though many here don't.

Pains me to say it, the Commanders have the best Safety tandem in the NFL.

 

[dallasfaniac]

You think Taylor is their SS?

Honestly, I was just going by the depth charts on all the sites that have Taylor listed as FS and Landry as SS. That and the fact that you said you would take Landry over Roy someday, which seemed to elude that you were comparing a SS to SS.

Edit: I guess I misread your question, I thought you were asking about Landry, I'm not sure how I should have responded.

 

[dcowboysfan76]

No, I am talking about in his heyday. Teams ran at him all the time and gained decent yardage on the Bills.

Was Bruce Smith therefore a bust? By the rationale heretofore in this thread he was.

What about Deion Sanders? The book on him was to throw to someone or run the ball in the zoen underneath his coverage and make him have to tackle. Teams did it with some success. Was he therefore a bust?

If you cannot legitimately call those guys busts then your arguments for why teams attack Roy deep hold no water. They do it because that is the book on him. It does not make him a bust or a bad player.

I hate the Pro Bowl, but this guy goes every year and 2/3 of the votes needed to send him are players and coaches. They obviously don't think he's a bust. Why do some of you think that? It is beyond me.

Mel Renfro brought up a way to help Roy work on his weakest point. I don't disagree with him one iota. I'd love to see someone really figure out how to fix this in Roy. Mel Renfro did not however say "Roy's a bust." You'd never know he didn't say that from the harping about it.

Darren Woodson (quoted in this thead) praised Roy to know end. Hushed right over. Ignore Darren Woodson, but by all means look what Mel said. The only problem is it's a distortion of what he said. Read the initial post. he did not say the guy is a bad football player by any wild stretch.

Like I said, read every game thread this season and read these threads closer. You may not be saying "Roy sucks," but others damn sure are and they have no idea what they are talking about and Adam keeps blowing it out of the water.

Hells bells man, 3 of us who played college football described coverage schemes in depth a week or so ago and no one paid the least bit of attention. Parcells praising Roy or removing liability from him is a lie, but he criticizes him in one comment and it's gospel truth. Wade Phillips lies about him and covers for him.

You don't think these things aren't just a little bit hypocritical? Seriously?

Come on.

I see your point, and I agree that teams will attack what they feel is one person's weakness. I do recall those points on Smith and definitely the one's on Deion. The thing that put them over is that they made plays and were "game breakers or game changers". They made up for their weaknesses in other areas and they made more good plays versus bad which is why they are HOF bound. Roy has the capability, and hopefully the Cowboys can put him in the position to do so......I know they are hypocritical, however when a player (especially a Dallas Cowboy) is not showing the critics to be wrong (even if it's not his fault), he will continue to be downgraded. All Roy has to do is make a couple of plays in space against a TE or WR, and those comments will change. Like Mel says, it's all in the feet and technique baby!

 

[dallasfaniac]

I see your point, and I agree that teams will attack what they feel is one person's weakness. I do recall those points on Smith and definitely the one's on Deion. The thing that put them over is that they made plays and were "game breakers or game changers". They made up for their weaknesses in other areas and they made more good plays versus bad which is why they are HOF bound. Roy has the capability, and hopefully the Cowboys can put him the position to do so.

If you had started with this, this thread goes to 5 pages.

 

[dcowboysfan76]

You think Taylor is their SS?

I like him too, though many here don't.

Pains me to say it, the Commanders have the best Safety tandem in the NFL.

Get a rope!! .................(two of them, one for you and one for me )

I would add potentially in your comment though.........

 

[dcowboysfan76]

If you had started with this, this thread goes to 5 pages.

Naaaah, people love novels..........You guys had me sweating though lol.......I was in between patients and running back to my laptop in my office.......I was like, man where is my help??? Does anybody feel the way I do about my team??...........I was like........:bang2:

 

[zrinkill]

Well I am just glad we all came to a consensus.

:grouphug:

We just need to get the new guy aimed at one of our resident trolls .....

Welcome to the board dccowboysfan76 .... next time hopefully we are on the same side on the next throwdown.

 

[dcowboysfan76]

Well I am just glad we all came to a consensus.

:grouphug:

We just need to get the new guy aimed at one of our resident trolls .....

Welcome to the board dccowboysfan76 .... next time hopefully we are on the same side on the next throwdown.

btw, who is Edunce???

 

[dallasfaniac]

btw, who is Edunce???

Your first target.

 

[tomson75]

btw, who is Edunce???

That's kinda "don't ask, don't tell." It'll hurt your brain.

 

[dallasfaniac]

Irresistible force, meet immoveable object.

 

[dcowboysfan76]

That's kinda "don't ask, don't tell." It'll hurt your brain.

I don't know if any of you were on the old ESPN boards, but is he like BoysR??

 

[adamknite]

I don't know if any of you were on the old ESPN boards, but is he like BoysR??

If trying to discuss something to BoysR was the equavalent of smashing your head into a brick wall, then... yes.

 

[dcowboysfan76]

If trying to discuss something to BoysR was the equavalent of smashing your head into a brick wall, then... yes.

Good grief..........

 

[zrinkill]

btw, who is Edunce???

Thats one of the trolls I was talking about.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/member.php?u=4823

He has a anti-Henry Fetish.

 

[dcowboysfan76]

Thats one of the trolls I was talking about.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/member.php?u=4823

He has a anti-Henry Fetish.

:laugh2: That is wrong!!! His name is Eduncan!! OMG!! Edunce :laugh2:

 

[PBJTime]

I'm judging Roy on plays that are his responsibility.........exit

After reading this entire fiasco, I'm glad reason prevailed. However, all I could think of when I saw this was,

Munchis out