ARTICLE: Owens ready to set up camp

[WV Cowboy]

Can you honestly tell me that a person sending a kid to a TO camp is not silently endorsing T.O. as a PERSON and a player. Come on, in a kids eyes if you are sending him there you are saying to the kid, "it is OK to be like him"

Find a camp with someone that teaches skills better and is not a terrible role model.

Fact is, T.O. does not even catch the ball correctly in some of the practice film I have seen

So based on all you have said, I'm guessing you would not send your child to Michael Irvins camp either, ... right ?

Or Keyshawn Johnson either ?

 

[aikemirv]

Hey!!!!!!! Believe me! I'm no T.O. fan by a long shot...however, people can change. Sometimes it's for the worse, other times it's for the best.

There are alot of "late bloomers" in life, and sometimes it takes something really dramatic to make someone really realize that IT IS TIME TO CHANGE!

Has T.O. reached this in his life now? We don't know...but, I'm not going to keep condeming someone because he did not learn his lesson sooner.

Same with the Cowboy team. If T.O. screws up big time, am I supposed to all of the sudden start disliking JJ for taking the gamble of bringing him in? I mean come on, JJ is obviously much smarter then me, yet he's taking the chance!

Sure, hurt me once shame on you, hurt me twice shame on me.

So, if T.O. screws the organization, who's fault will it be? T.O.'s? JJ's?

Will we hate T.O. even more? Will we hate JJ even more?

Oh, that is an easy one for me. Its JJ and BP's fault!

 

[Doomsday101]

Hey!!!!!!! Believe me! I'm no T.O. fan by a long shot...however, people can change. Sometimes it's for the worse, other times it's for the best.

There are alot of "late bloomers" in life, and sometimes it takes something really dramatic to make someone really realize that IT IS TIME TO CHANGE!

Has T.O. reached this in his life now? We don't know...but, I'm not going to keep condeming someone because he did not learn his lesson sooner.

Same with the Cowboy team. If T.O. screws up big time, am I supposed to all of the sudden start disliking JJ for taking the gamble of bringing him in? I mean come on, JJ is obviously much smarter then me, yet he's taking the chance!

Sure, hurt me once shame on you, hurt me twice shame on me.

So, if T.O. screws the organization, who's fault will it be? T.O.'s? JJ's?

Will we hate T.O. even more? Will we hate JJ even more?

Like you I hope he does change however having a rap song that rips on Philly and a book coming out, forgive me if I have doubts about TO changing. As for Jerry he recently said on a TV interview that he made this move because he was desperate he wants to see the Cowboys win and is willing to take a chance on TO I understand that. Lastly I don't hate Jerry even though I don't always agree with things this franchise does but I do know what his intent is and that is to build a winner. If this blows up in his face then he will be ridiculed by many and I'll bank even by some who are gushing over TO today.

 

[Doomsday101]

So based on all you have said, I'm guessing you would not send your child to Michael Irvins camp either, ... right ?

What are they going to be teaching at that camp? :laugh2:

 

[superpunk]

So based on all you have said, I'm guessing you would not send your child to Michael Irvins camp either, ... right ?

Being a selfish a-hole is much worse than drug addiction and a penchant for loose women.

Get your morals in check.

 

[peplaw06]

Can you honestly tell me that a person sending a kid to a TO camp is not silently endorsing T.O. as a PERSON and a player. Come on, in a kids eyes if you are sending him there you are saying to the kid, "it is OK to be like him"

Find a camp with someone that teaches skills better and is not a terrible role model.

Fact is, T.O. does not even catch the ball correctly in some of the practice film I have seen

I guess a camp run by Irvin would be a better decision?? Let's face it, kids these days are bombarded with more negative influences than ever before... You can't even watch a game on TV without hearing multiple F-bombs or seeing someone saying it when you can clearly read their lips.

I suppose your kids live in a bubble and are never exposed to MTV, where there are multiple shows where wealthy celebrities or spoiled kids show off all their possessions. I guess you have personally approved of all of their friends who may be exposing them to the same things. Are you silently endorsing this if you let them watch it or don't know that they do watch it?

Knowing that 95% of kids ARE going to see this type of stuff, the key is how their parents combat this. It's not by sheltering them from all the bad things that they could see. It's knowing that they're going to experience these things and teaching them why these attitudes/personalities are undesirable.

I'll tell you one thing TO is a good example of... work ethic. If he teaches the kids that, I say it's worth the money.

 

[Alexander]

Is it really defending him, tho Dooms? The guy is putting on a football camp. How morally wrong is it of him to sponsor it? How could he possibly corrupt children in a 16 hour period spread over two days?

I think most on here have doubts about him and how he's going to interact on the field and in the lockerroom. But in this instance, how can you look at this as a negative? Doing something for the kids that's ultimately gonna help the community thru his charity foundation. I'm not understanding the negative spin on this.

Excellent comments, WG.

Just because you don't believe he will corrupt the minds of the impressionable or reduce the Metroplex to smouldering ruins, it is "defending" him. The characterizations and conclusions people are drawing about Owens is incredible and borderline laughable.

I think he would lose a popularity contest to Hitler with some.

This just in, he's just a jerk that plays football.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Excellent comments, WG.

Just because you don't believe he will corrupt the minds of the impressionable or reduce the Metroplex to smouldering ruins, it is "defending" him. The characterizations and conclusions people are drawing about Owens is incredible and borderline laughable.

I think he would lose a popularity contest to Hitler with some.

This just in, he's just a jerk that plays football.

Borderline ????

It has been extremely laughable for a long time.

 

[aikemirv]

So based on all you have said, I'm guessing you would not send your child to Michael Irvins camp either, ... right ?

Or Keyshawn Johnson either ?

I think I said I admired both of them for the fact that they are team guys even though they are egocentrical. I would like my son to learn a few things from sports - how to work as a team, and how to be fundamently sound at the game they are playing. Both Irvin and Johnson would teach them that.

If Irvin had a camp and if he had not made the change in his life that he states he has made (even though there may be a bit of eveidence to the contrary), I would never send my son there with the aspects of his former life in play.

With the change he has said he has made I think I would send my son to his camp.

With Keyshawn, I would try to find a different camp with someone who would be a better role model as a person.

Thats just me.

 

[Alexander]

Do you actually think that a few days at a football camp, regardless of who is the host, is going to counteract all the years of parenting you have done ?

It is part of American culture.

Blame television and bad role models for your own failures to execute your duty as a parent.

Being victims is something our culture is very good at.

 

[superpunk]

What exactly do people opposed to this, or who ridicule this think TO is going to be saying? Do you think the daily outline is going to look like;

1. Getting paid
2. Slurs against homosexuals
3. Sharpie time
4. Getting paid
5. How to incite pointless, mindless hate without committing any crime.
6. Looking good in tights.

??????

My guess is he's gonna focus on nutrition, staying in shape, drive, desire, tips to the kids....any and all accounts I've read about him OFF the field, point to him being a decent guy. Concerned about his community. So how exactly is this football camp going to corrupt these poor children to their eternal damnation?

 

[Alexander]

You're kidding, right? TO is going to teach fundamentals, hard work, and certainly elements of good diet to kids at a camp. He also has the personality to be entertaining, fun, and inspirational to small kids.

Owens' problems have been off the field and with adults. Did you believe he's going to teach kids how to whine for a new contract or something?

Nothing sets a higher standard of respect for a teacher than success in the field. TO would have my total attention because I know what he's done has actually worked at the highest levels.

Look at it this way.

Lawrence Taylor and Michael Irvin were two very bad individuals. They both did some pretty awful things off the field. But there are very few people who would get emotional if either ran a football camp. Both have done far worse than Owens ever has, yet you wouldn't see the same sort of reaction.

For some reason, poor sportsmanship has become clouded with bad morality here for far too many.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I think I said I admired both of them for the fact that they are team guys even though they are egocentrical. I would like my son to learn a few things from sports - how to work as a team, and how to be fundamently sound at the game they are playing. Both Irvin and Johnson would teach them that.

If Irvin had a camp and if he had not made the change in his life that he states he has made (even though there may be a bit of eveidence to the contrary), I would never send my son there with the aspects of his former life in play.

With the change he has said he has made I think I would send my son to his camp.

With Keyshawn, I would try to find a different camp with someone who would be a better role model as a person.

Thats just me.

I figured you would find a way to get him to Mike's camp.

You probably should just hope your son is not looking for a WR camp at all.

 

[peplaw06]

I think I said I admired both of them for the fact that they are team guys even though they are egocentrical. I would like my son to learn a few things from sports - how to work as a team, and how to be fundamently sound at the game they are playing. Both Irvin and Johnson would teach them that.

If Irvin had a camp and if he had not made the change in his life that he states he has made (even though there may be a bit of eveidence to the contrary), I would never send my son there with the aspects of his former life in play.

With the change he has said he has made I think I would send my son to his camp.

With Keyshawn, I would try to find a different camp with someone who would be a better role model as a person.

Thats just me.

Ahhh, so if TO came out and said, "I'm a changed man," that alone would make it okay??:laugh2::laugh2:

 

[aikemirv]

I guess a camp run by Irvin would be a better decision?? Let's face it, kids these days are bombarded with more negative influences than ever before... You can't even watch a game on TV without hearing multiple F-bombs or seeing someone saying it when you can clearly read their lips.

I suppose your kids live in a bubble and are never exposed to MTV, where there are multiple shows where wealthy celebrities or spoiled kids show off all their possessions. I guess you have personally approved of all of their friends who may be exposing them to the same things. Are you silently endorsing this if you let them watch it or don't know that they do watch it?

Knowing that 95% of kids ARE going to see this type of stuff, the key is how their parents combat this. It's not by sheltering them from all the bad things that they could see. It's knowing that they're going to experience these things and teaching them why these attitudes/personalities are undesirable.

I'll tell you one thing TO is a good example of... work ethic. If he teaches the kids that, I say it's worth the money.

Loss of innocence is one of the biggest detriments to society IMO, so I will shelter them from as much as I can.

What you speak of is entirely different than openly sending a kid to TO's camp and you know it.

Thank goodness for TIVO, so now I don't even have to expose them to the raunchy commercials!!

 

[peplaw06]

It is part of American culture.

Blame television and bad role models for your own failures to execute your duty as a parent.

Being victims is something our culture is very good at.

 

[peplaw06]

Loss of innocence is one of the biggest detriments to society IMO, so I will shelter them from as much as I can.

What you speak of is entirely different than openly sending a kid to TO's camp and you know it.

Thank goodness for TIVO, so now I don't even have to expose them to the raunchy commercials!!

How is it entirely different??

 

[superpunk]

How is it entirely different??

Next question.

 

[5Stars]

With Keyshawn, I would try to find a different camp with someone who would be a better role model as a person.

Thats just me.

I really don't get this at all! Keyshawn, just like any other high strung competitor on the football field or elsewhere, is going to have times when his behavior might be viewed in a negative way...however...

Watching Keyshawn hand those TD balls to handicapped children in the stands...learning how he totally paid all expenses to help another paralized young football player get spine treatment, a special van, redoing his house so he could get in and out with the motorized wheelchair that Keyshawn bought for him...and countless other stories about how he does things like this....?

Wow....

I never knew much about Keyshawn before he bacame a Cowboy, but, these past few year watching him play and learning more about him...he became my good buddie! If you are allowing Irvin to "change" and you would send a kid to his camp...well, why not the same allowances to others? It is POSSIBLE that people have just as many good traits as they have bad ones...everyone on the face of the earth does.

 

[aikemirv]

Ahhh, so if TO came out and said, "I'm a changed man," that alone would make it okay??:laugh2::laugh2:

There has to be a little proof. There are other people who have said Irvin is a chnaged guy. By the way, T.O. has already said he was a Christian, his behavior does not support the claim however.

Is Irvin guilty of what happened a few months ago, I am not quite sure. It would be a hard decision. If I did I would tell my son that he claims to have changed, go to the camp and let me know if there is any eveidence of the change.