Article: Police raid Vick's home, find dog abuse

[theogt]

What do you guys think about clubbing baby seals?

I think they're probably worth more dead than alive.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Why? He was absolutely 100% wrong. Dogs are property.

and back in the day, people of the black persuasion were considered property

dogs are living, breathing mammals, they are not property

 

[smarta5150]

BEST movie quote ever (definitely up there):

Why shouldn't I work for the N.S.A.? That's a tough one, but I'll take a shot. Say I'm working at N.S.A. Somebody puts a code on my desk, something nobody else can break. Maybe I take a shot at it and maybe I break it. And I'm real happy with myself, 'cause I did my job well. But maybe that code was the location of some rebel army in North Africa or the Middle East. Once they have that location, they bomb the village where the rebels were hiding and fifteen hundred people I never met, never had a no problem with get killed. Now the politicians are sayin', "Oh, Send in the marines to secure the area" 'cause they don't give a ****. It won't be their kid over there, gettin' shot. Just like it wasn't them when their number got called, 'cause they were pullin' a tour in the National Guard. It'll be some kid from Southie takin' shrapnel in the ***. And he comes back to find that the plant he used to work at got exported to the country he just got back from. And the guy who put the shrapnel in his *** got his old job, 'cause he'll work for fifteen cents a day and no bathroom breaks. Meanwhile he realizes the only reason he was over there in the first place was so we could install a government that would sell us oil at a good price. And of course the oil companies used the skirmish over there to scare up domestic oil prices. A cute little ancillary benefit for them, but it ain't helping my buddy at two-fifty a gallon. And they're takin' their sweet time bringin' the oil back of course, and maybe even took the liberty of hiring an alcoholic skipper who likes to drink martinis and ****in' play slalom with the icebergs, and it ain't too long 'til he hits one, spills the oil and kills all the sea life in the North Atlantic. So now my buddy's out of work and he can't afford to drive, so he's got to walk to the ****in' job interviews, which sucks 'cause the shrapnel in his *** is givin' him chronic hemorrhoids. And meanwhile he's starvin' 'cause every time he tries to get a bite to eat the only blue plate special they're servin' is North Atlantic scrod with Quaker State. So what did I think? I'm holdin' out for somethin' better. I figure **** it, while I'm at it why not just shoot my buddy, take his job, give it to his sworn enemy, hike up gas prices, bomb a villageby, club a baby seal, hit the hash pipe and join the National Guard? I could be elected president.

 

[lane]

Yes, it's brutal. Yes, it's cruel. No, I wouldn't ever do it. Yes, I would shun someone for doing it. I would call them a horrible, horrible person.

But it's his property. It's not negatively affecting me or you. I don't see the point in controlling what he does with his property unless it has a negative effect on society.

hilarious.........

you mean like all the pit bulls that kill and maim children everyday because their owners bred them to be that way.

nah..that has no impact on society.

 

[Bleu Star]

"We Be Clubbin!"

 

[theogt]

and back in the day, people of the black persuasion were considered property

dogs are living, breathing mammals, they are not property

What's your point? Should we amend the constitution and give animals rights? Dogs are property. Human beings can be property, unless the government disallows it.

 

[theogt]

hilarious.........

you mean like all the pit bulls that kill and maim children everyday because their owners bred them to be that way.

nah..that has no impact on society.

No, I think there should be strict liability for a person who's property destroys another person's property or harms the person. This isn't what the discussion is about.

 

[smarta5150]

What's your point? Should we amend the constitution and give animals rights? Dogs are property. Human beings can be property, unless the government disallows it.

This thread is so funny its not even funny right now.

I wish I didnt have to leave.

 

[lane]

Funny, I was raising all kinds of hell when I found out they were letting him back.

you were the one that laughed at the little toddler that got 30 stitches at the football game.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

What's your point? Should we amend the constitution and give animals rights? Dogs are property. Human beings can be property, unless the government disallows it.

my point is, this kind of thinking is what led to slaves being mistreated and worked to death, oh, I paid for him, so I can do whatever the hell i want to, even if that includes leading them to certain death, it's just wrong man, it serves no useful purpose

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Yes, it's brutal. Yes, it's cruel. No, I wouldn't ever do it. Yes, I would shun someone for doing it. I would call them a horrible, horrible person.

But it's his property. It's not negatively affecting me or you. I don't see the point in controlling what he does with his property unless it has a negative effect on society.

It's negatively affecting the dogs, that's for damn sure. This rule is a function of the fact that in this society we care about dogs and we value progress, in some sense of the word. We recognize that there is a (limited) social contract between dogs and humans. We feed and pet them; they lick our ears and protect us. Torturing them for our amusement is out -- not in the contract. There are plenty of countries where dogs are still considered property but this isn't one of them. If you want to fight city hall to get the gummint out of the dog fights, be my guest. Enlist Vick as your spokesman -- he'll spot you the first 10 grand no doubt.

 

[smarta5150]

you were the one that laughed at the little toddler that got 30 stitches at the football game.

I said I laughed a little.

I had plenty of stitches as a little kid... imagine being able to tell that story years from now.

Would be great.

PS... I didnt raise hell when I heard summer was coming back lol, I actually PMed a mod to find out if it was perma or not.

 

[theogt]

my point is, this kind of thinking is what led to slaves being mistreated and worked to death, oh, I paid for him, so I can do whatever the hell i want to, even if that includes leading them to certain death, it's just wrong man

If you can't distinguish between a human being and a goldfish, I'm not sure this conversation will ever go anywhere.

 

[jackrussell]

Yes, it's brutal. Yes, it's cruel. No, I wouldn't ever do it. Yes, I would shun someone for doing it. I would call them a horrible, horrible person.

But it's his property. It's not negatively affecting me or you. I don't see the point in controlling what he does with his property unless it has a negative effect on society.

You own an animal and it's your responsibility to nuture it and care for it's well being.

Or you shouldn't have it to begin with.

And it does affect society...as you're thumbing your nose at the law...great role model on that, right?

Freakin' pitiful.

 

[Bleu Star]

If you want to fight city hall to get the gummint out of the dog fights, be my guest. Enlist Vick as your spokesman -- he'll spot you the first 10 grand no doubt.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If you can't distinguish between a human being and a goldfish, I'm not sure this conversation will ever go anywhere.

:laugh1: wow

 

[lane]

No, I think there should be strict liability for a person who's property destroys another person's property or harms the person. This isn't what the discussion is about.

you're right theogt..

it's about mike vick being one of the reasons it's hard to actually enjoy the game anymore.

 

[theogt]

It's negatively affecting the dogs, that's for damn sure. This rule is a function of the fact that in this society we care about dogs and we value progress, in some sense of the word. We recognize that there is a (limited) social contract between dogs and humans. We feed and pet them; they lick our ears and protect us. Torturing them for our amusement is out -- not in the contract. There are plenty of countries where dogs are still considered property but this isn't one of them. If you want to fight city hall to get the gummint out of the dog fights, be my guest. Enlist Vick as your spokesman -- he'll spot you the first 10 grand no doubt.

A social contract with dogs? Now, I've seen some iffy arguments before.

By the way, dogs are recognized as property in every state that I'm aware of. Yes, they're very cute and cuddly, and sometimes they're your best friend, but they ARE property.

 

[theogt]

you're right theogt..

it's about mike vick being one of the reasons it's hard to actually enjoy the game anymore.

I agree. This is a sad thing. He's a horrible human being in my eyes now (though I didn't think too highly of him before).

I just think he should have the right to be a horrible human being, unless it has a negative impact on society.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

A social contract with dogs? Now, I've seen some iffy arguments before.

By the way, dogs are recognized as property in every state that I'm aware of. Yes, they're very cute and cuddly, and sometimes they're your best friend, but they ARE property.

and fighting dogs is recognized as against the law