Audio: Hugh Douglas 'Never knew which T.O. you were gonna get'

[Mansta54]

Seems to me like you have an agenda.

On one hand Douglas is a buffoon, but since he said a few things you agree with, you thought you'd post his interview here anyway.

Dude, just read all his posts and that'll explain his agenda just fine. If you've read 1 of his post, you've read 30 of them. They're basically all full of TO hate. I think he has a man crush on TO...:laugh2:

 

[Blue&Silver]

Unluckily for me i live right outside of philadelphia and took great pleasure in the suffering TO put the eagles fans through.

I feel the TO eagles issue was not entirely the fault of Owens. How he handled it and how it ended was though. The eagles gave him a suckers contract and Drew Rosenhaus exposed it as one. The eagles organization took advantage of the situation owens had with his old agent in SF that made him no longer a free agent so he really lost most of the bargaining power free agents had.

The shame is that TO is a very charismatic person that people would easily love if he would learn to handle his emotions in a more mature way. He seems like as soon as a situation can become emotional he goes over the top. His past will always haunt him. He has become paranoid.

I dont dislike Owens at all. I remember when he got punked by Ashton Kutcher on MTV and even then he seemed like a caring person. He is a competitor. Almost to a fault. I worry that when TO can no longer play football he may one day do something harmful to himself. When he is no longer getting the spotlight. When no one cares about what he says or thinks. I do not know him so i can only have an opinion like we all have. But i really hope he gets mental help if he needs it. I am still not sure his accidental overdose was really and accident a few years back. I think he could really be troubled and when the celebrity sports star is removed from him title he may not be able to handle just being Terrell Owens the man.

7 years, 47 million? Or was that 49? Sounds like a damn good contract to me. There's more to it than a contract. If I recall correctly McNabb told Owens to shut up during a game. That's where it started. The contract was just an excuse given because the previous issue was too immature to run with.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

Hugh Douglas on with Mosley and Estridge
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Like I said a millon times already.

Terrell Owens is a 9 year old in a 35 year old body.

Give him a permanent timeout Jerry Jones!!!

I love how Hugh Douglas has already pegged Jason Witten as Werder's source, lol.

Douglas is a buffoon.

Its obvious that its a combo or Witten , Barbie and Sexton. Those are Ed's 'Multiple Sources'...

Hell it could be Jessica's dad during relayed pillow talk.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Dude, just read all his posts and that'll explain his agenda just fine. If you've read 1 of his post, you've read 30 of them. They're basically all full of TO hate. I think he has a man crush on TO...:laugh2:

A few weeks ago he started a thread about the "angelic" Jerry Rice blah blah blah and the "devilish" TO...

THEN on the first response to his agenda thread.... the 2nd poster OWNED him with about 4-5 examples of Jerry doing.... how you say in america... "not so nice a thingz




That thread is CLEARLY the FASTEST, MOST OWNED THREAD EVER on CowboysZone.


Sidebar: I know that DCFanatic's "niche" is the Radio show and posting audio on here. BUT HE DOES it WITH an AGENDA. Thats also clear.

He goes from someone I should take seriously on here because he is a more than average contributor to another pseudo "hack" journalist(audiolist/radio guy) like Ed Werder.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Hugh Douglas on with Mosley and Estridge
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Like I said a millon times already.

Terrell Owens is a 9 year old in a 35 year old body.

Give him a permanent timeout Jerry Jones!!!

I love how Hugh Douglas has already pegged Jason Witten as Werder's source, lol.

Douglas is a buffoon.

It isn't Witten, it's Bradie James.

 

[superonyx]

7 years, 47 million? Or was that 49? Sounds like a damn good contract to me. There's more to it than a contract. If I recall correctly McNabb told Owens to shut up during a game. That's where it started. The contract was just an excuse given because the previous issue was too immature to run with.

You need to look at how the contract was structured. You cant just say 47 million and think that makes it ok. You need to look at which years he was getting the money. The Eagles wrote a contract for TO that made it obvious that they were going to cut him after the season before he was getting the real portion of the 47 million. I live here where it was all they talked about on 610WIP all day long.

In fact when the contract was submitted to the NFL Players Union for review they warned TO not to sign it. It was a trick deal. Tell him he's making 50 million and then cut him before the big years of the deal. And TO took the eagles word for it that they were not going to do this to him. They used the excuse that they needed to structure the deal that way to make it cap friendly.

TO's old agent that got him into this mess was replaced by Rosenhaus who then reviewed the contract and opened Owens eyes to what it was. He then realized that he was putting his career on the line by coming back from his injury to play in the superbowl when the team wasnt as committed to him.

The problems with McNabb stemmed from McNabb telling the press that he believes Brian Westbrook deserves a new deal right after the superbowl. When they asked Mcnabb about owens contract status he refused to comment. This is why owens felt like McNabb was jealous of the attention the Philly fans gave TO.

The eagles management could have made it right back then and just gave him a real contract. They refused because they knew they wouldnt keep a player past 30 with a big contract. They are known for this. Remember Bobby Taylor and Troy Vincent? They became 30. The eagles let them walk.

TO and Rosenhaus tried for weeks to get the eagles to redo the contract privately before they started to talk to the media about the situation.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

You need to look at how the contract was structured. You cant just say 47 million and think that makes it ok. You need to look at which years he was getting the money. The Eagles wrote a contract for TO that made it obvious that they were going to cut him after the season before he was getting the real portion of the 47 million. I live here where it was all they talked about on 610WIP all day long.

In fact when the contract was submitted to the NFL Players Union for review they warned TO not to sign it. It was a trick deal. Tell him he's making 50 million and then cut him before the big years of the deal. And TO took the eagles word for it that they were not going to do this to him. They used the excuse that they needed to structure the deal that way to make it cap friendly.

TO's old agent that got him into this mess was replaced by Rosenhaus who then reviewed the contract and opened Owens eyes to what it was. He then realized that he was putting his career on the line by coming back from his injury to play in the superbowl when the team wasnt as committed to him.

The problems with McNabb stemmed from McNabb telling the press that he believes Brian Westbrook deserves a new deal right after the superbowl. When they asked Mcnabb about owens contract status he refused to comment. This is why owens felt like McNabb was jealous of the attention the Philly fans gave TO.

The eagles management could have made it right back then and just gave him a real contract. They refused because they knew they wouldnt keep a player past 30 with a big contract. They are known for this. Remember Bobby Taylor and Troy Vincent? They became 30. The eagles let them walk.

TO and Rosenhaus tried for weeks to get the eagles to redo the contract privately before they started to talk to the media about the situation.

Good post!

 

[Maikeru-sama]

You need to look at how the contract was structured. You cant just say 47 million and think that makes it ok. You need to look at which years he was getting the money. The Eagles wrote a contract for TO that made it obvious that they were going to cut him after the season before he was getting the real portion of the 47 million. I live here where it was all they talked about on 610WIP all day long.

In fact when the contract was submitted to the NFL Players Union for review they warned TO not to sign it. It was a trick deal. Tell him he's making 50 million and then cut him before the big years of the deal. And TO took the eagles word for it that they were not going to do this to him. They used the excuse that they needed to structure the deal that way to make it cap friendly.

TO's old agent that got him into this mess was replaced by Rosenhaus who then reviewed the contract and opened Owens eyes to what it was. He then realized that he was putting his career on the line by coming back from his injury to play in the superbowl when the team wasnt as committed to him.

The problems with McNabb stemmed from McNabb telling the press that he believes Brian Westbrook deserves a new deal right after the superbowl. When they asked Mcnabb about owens contract status he refused to comment. This is why owens felt like McNabb was jealous of the attention the Philly fans gave TO.

The eagles management could have made it right back then and just gave him a real contract. They refused because they knew they wouldnt keep a player past 30 with a big contract. They are known for this. Remember Bobby Taylor and Troy Vincent? They became 30. The eagles let them walk.

TO and Rosenhaus tried for weeks to get the eagles to redo the contract privately before they started to talk to the media about the situation.

That's exactly right, the NFLPA told Terrell Owens not to sign the contract but he was foolish enough to sign the contract anyway.

The NFL is a business and the Philadelphia Eagles were under no legal obligation to restructure Terrell Owens' contract.

Furthermore, as you stated, Terrell Owens "felt" that Donovan McNabb was jealous of him but that doesn't necessarily mean that it was true. Also, you are looking at the situtation with tunnel vision.

Brian Westbrook and Donovan McNabb had already played several seasons together and had developed a bond. Why are people so suprised that Donovan McNabb would choose to come out in support of Brian Westbrook, a guy that had put his time in with organization versus a guy that had only played one season and was already whining about his contract?

Finally, Terrell Owens came to the Philadelphia Organization as one of the best receivers in the NFL. It was up to him and him alone to make sure that the Eagles were paying him like he was.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Dude, just read all his posts and that'll explain his agenda just fine. If you've read 1 of his post, you've read 30 of them. They're basically all full of TO hate. I think he has a man crush on TO...:laugh2:

How is that any different than those with the Romo agenda, or the Wade, or the Jerry, or the Jason, or the Roy Williams, or any of the probably dozens of others that you'll see around here who have a complete dislike for one player, or coach, or GM or whatever.

This place wouldn't be this place without all those things.

 

[superonyx]

That's exactly right, the NFLPA told Terrell Owens not to sign the contract but he was foolish enough to sign the contract anyway.

The NFL is a business and the Philadelphia Eagles were under no legal obligation to restructure Terrell Owens' contract.

Furthermore, as you stated, Terrell Owens "felt" that Donovan McNabb was jealous of him but that doesn't necessarily mean that it was true. Also, you are looking at the situtation with tunnel vision.

Brian Westbrook and Donovan McNabb had already played several seasons together and had developed a bond. Why are people so suprised that Donovan McNabb would choose to come out in support of Brian Westbrook, a guy that had put his time in with organization versus a guy that had only played one season and was already whining about his contract?

Finally, Terrell Owens came to the Philadelphia Organization as one of the best receivers in the NFL. It was up to him and him alone to make sure that the Eagles were paying him like he was.

So because Owens trusted the organization he is now foolish? And i guess that makes it right?
When you say i look at the situation with tunnel vision it is actually you that has tunnel vision. Owens was not a free agent in San Fran. His previous agent didnt file papers with the league in time so he wasnt a free agent. The eagles didnt just sign him. They traded for him. He was limited in who he could play for at that point. It was either Philly or the Ravens. He was sold on philly by Reid and Mcnabb at the probowl.
I blame the situation in philly on the organization more than TO. He is a passionate emotional player. You dont even try to pull that type of contract with a player like him. And if you do and he catches on later then make it right. Dont say "you are dumb enough to trust us so you are stuck with it"

If Mcnabb is going to take the role of contract spokesperson for the players then he needs to address all contract situations. Mcnabb has been a defensive person since the philly fans booed him at the draft. he still talks about it. When TO was here in philly the fans loved him. The city became dominated by TO jerseys. You dont think Mcnabb had feelings about a guy coming here and stealing all the love from the fans that he feels like he never got?

I know all of my post on this thread makes me sound like a TO defender. Let me say that i am not. In fact i am not even sure i want him on this team any longer. I never wanted him in dallas in the first place. And i do believe he does have the ability to divide a locker room and a team. And honestly i do not have enough info to really say if this is what has happened in dallas or not. Signs point to yes. But i will wait to see if they cut him. If they cut one of the best receivers in the league who jerry just paid a 15 million signing bonus to then i am sold. He divided the team and he deserves to be cut.

But what happened in Philly was as much the Eagles fault as Owens.

 

[DallasEast]

In fact when the contract was submitted to the NFL Players Union for review they warned TO not to sign it.

That is positive proof of the world where Terrell Owens' mind exists because it can't be blamed on stupidity. The NFLPA were the same advisors who helped him him wiggle out of the Baltimore Ravens/mishandled paperwork/trade fiasco. He didn't truly want to go to Baltimore. He wanted to end up in Philadelphia, so he agreed with their assessment. Yet, when a "problem" surfaced with the contract offered by the team which he did want to join, he ignored their assessment.

No surprise there. That's typical Terrell Owens.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Wow!!!

The guy who got his butt kicked isn't a big fan? Shocking....:laugh2:

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

That's exactly right, the NFLPA told Terrell Owens not to sign the contract but he was foolish enough to sign the contract anyway.

The NFL is a business and the Philadelphia Eagles were under no legal obligation to restructure Terrell Owens' contract.

Furthermore, as you stated, Terrell Owens "felt" that Donovan McNabb was jealous of him but that doesn't necessarily mean that it was true. Also, you are looking at the situtation with tunnel vision.

Brian Westbrook and Donovan McNabb had already played several seasons together and had developed a bond. Why are people so suprised that Donovan McNabb would choose to come out in support of Brian Westbrook, a guy that had put his time in with organization versus a guy that had only played one season and was already whining about his contract?

Finally, Terrell Owens came to the Philadelphia Organization as one of the best receivers in the NFL. It was up to him and him alone to make sure that the Eagles were paying him like he was.

Also a good post!

 

[Bigtommyb]

Just guessing, but I think Hugh Douglas would take you and throw you out into space if you ever stepped to him.

:laugh1:

And here's that story about T.O. and Douglas for everyone. Maybe if we are lucky and T.O. is still here he will get someone on this team to create another situation like this at Valley Ranch.

Wouldn't that be a hoot?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2215718

Owens-Douglas fistfight contributed to suspension
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PHILADELPHIA -- Terrell Owens was involved in a locker-room fight with former teammate Hugh Douglas a few days before the All-Pro wideout was suspended indefinitely without pay by the Philadelphia Eagles.

On his radio show Sunday night, Douglas said no punches were landed.

"It wasn't as big as everyone is trying to make it out to be, it really wasn't," he said on WIP-AM.


"The sad part about the situation is, it got to this point, whatever happened. And I apologize for it."

Owens was not with Philadelphia on Sunday night for its 17-10 loss to the the Washington Commanders in Landover, Md. Eagles president Joe Banner said coach Andy Reid would meet with the player in the coming week.

"Andy will basically figure out where we go from here," Banner said during an impromptu news conference on the Eagles' sideline before kickoff. "He indicated to T.O. that he'd talk to him later this week and give him a more definitive status report."

Banner wouldn't answer questions about how long the suspension would last, whether he expected Owens to play for Philadelphia again or what the specific reason was for the punishment. But Banner did say the suspension is without pay. Owens is scheduled to make $3.5 million in base salary this season, so the suspension would cost him more than $200,000 per game.

"There's an accumulation of events culminating with a series of things last week, including the very public interview that he did," Banner said. "I think there's a long list of things, some of which you know about and some of which aren't public."

Owens was suspended on Saturday, two days after he criticized the organization for not publicly recognizing his 100th career touchdown catch.

In the same interview with ESPN.com on Thursday, Owens took another shot at quarterback Donovan McNabb, saying the Eagles would be better off with Green Bay's Brett Favre.

Owens apologized Friday in a statement and later on his weekly radio show, but the damage already was done.

Asked if Owens will play again for the Eagles, his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, told WSVN-TV:

"I don't know. We're going to have to see what the Eagles decide. Everything is very much up in the air right now. The Eagles have said that they'll think about it. They're going to make some determination as to what their plans are. Right now, this is indefinite."

A team source told ESPN's Chris Mortensen that Douglas, whose post with the Eagles he re-titled "bad-***-ador," entered the team's training room Wednesday and announced "I know there are people in here faking injuries."

The comment apparently led to the scrum between Owens and Douglas.

One source told the Trenton Times the fight "was like WWE Smackdown."

Another source told the paper both Douglas and Owens threw at least two punches before Owens challenged McNabb and then everyone else in the room, saying "You want some? Anyone else want some?"

"This is not what you want kids to see. I would like to apologize to my former teammates and the city of Philadelphia," Douglas said on WIP-AM on Sunday, "because this situation, it goes beyond football. It's just sad, and it's obvious [Owens] needs counseling."

McNabb told ESPN's Suzy Kolber he called a team meeting Friday, which Owens attended, to discuss the team's unrest and pronounced to all, looking at T.O. directly, "You're either with me or against me."

Owens' apologies in private to the club and in public on Friday apparently did
not meet Reid's standards and T.O. was suspended on Saturday.

"Most of the leaders on the team felt that T.O.'s a grown man and he needed to handle himself accordingly," Douglas said on his radio show. "But it was a situation where we didn't know how crazy this man was, you know what I mean? We just didn't know how many issues this man had and it just got out of hand. I think everybody was sitting around like, 'Wow, I didn't know this man was this crazy.' "

According to the Trenton newspaper, Owens and Douglas have been at odds since training camp where they almost got into an altercation in an elevator at Lehigh University. Douglas was among the few players to publicly say Owens should honor his current contract when T.O. demanded a new one this past offseason.

Rookie Reggie Brown replaced Owens in the starting lineup Sunday night against Washington.

Who cares what Hugh Douglas has to say....i sure don't. The problem these reporters and espn need to find something else to talk about. I am a DC fan and it shows that in spite of us being a team that hasn't won a playoff game in 10 years,people still fear the star because i don't think we made the playoffs this year and who has been the object of evryone's desires. It's a joke get a life and cover the steelers and cards and well se you in july and ota's

 

[DallasEast]

Who cares what Hugh Douglas has to say....i sure don't. The problem these reporters and espn need to find something else to talk about. I am a DC fan and it shows that in spite of us being a team that hasn't won a playoff game in 10 years,people still fear the star because i don't think we made the playoffs this year and who has been the object of evryone's desires. It's a joke get a life and cover the steelers and cards and well se you in july and ota's

What Hugh Douglas, or any other player who has ever had a working relationship with Terrell Owens, says about Owens is relevant. While the accuracy of any commentary about Owens can be questioned, it can also help others understand what kind of inner motivations have prompted his behavior with past teammates and organizations. The key thing to remember is that Terrell Owens' personality hasn't changed whatsoever. The only thing, which has, is his uniform.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

You need to look at how the contract was structured.

Just a thank you for your explanation.


I, too was "tricked" back when this hit the fan... then I found out what you posted back when it happened. It was a good deal.

 

[BehindEnemyLinez]

My God just drop it already!

GREAT POST!!!!

 

[adbutcher]

I guess he knew which TO he got when he got his arse whooped. :laugh2:

:laugh2:

 

[TellerMorrow34]

The most fun thing, about that whole TO/Donovan situation was that they have always made it out like TO just came out and said "You know we'd be better off with Brett."

I remember that interview with Irvin and it was a case where Irvin asked him a very specific question on it and he answered it. Now I agree that he shouldn't have answered it, or he should have said "nah, I don't think so", or something but it's not like the dude took an interview with Irvin and in the middle of it just decided to say "you know Mike, we'd be better off with Brett at QB here."

It has always cracked me up how that huge explosion between them, at least in front of the media, got kicked off by that interview.

 

[gazmc_06]

Padding the ol anti-TO post count eh? How many of these do you come up with daily?

Cue it up Willie! :banjo:

It's getting pretty ridiculous, there's at least two or three every single day. Let it go already.