Audio: The ENTIRE Brooking vs Dennis segment!

[twentytwo]

Just listened to the whole segment for the first time, and I loved it even more.

I understand what Steve Dennis is saying, though I still disagree with him.

I think this is going to have the team fired up. Hearing a leader on our team say these things, you can only assume that this same attitude rubs off on everyone else. I think this team really wants to win not only for their coach, but also for each other. I think they're gonna come out with some fire, ready to prove everyone wrong.


I did love this quote though:
"I saw you on Sportscenter this morning. I'll probably never see you on national TV again!"

 

[SDogo]

I did love this quote though:
"I saw you on Sportscenter this morning. I'll probably never see you on national TV again!"

That was classic, funny as hell

also true

 

[TellerMorrow34]

We just view it different.

I think you have to live in that moment or that week in the NFL. I know from my playing days if we lost I had that bitter taste my mouth all week and nothing would make it better, not our season record not last years record, nothing. Not until we made up for it with a win.

I felt like a loser and it motivated me to change it. Once again, I think it goes back to being content with what you are and not what you can become.

Till someone beats them, yes.

It's no different then the old saying, "they are the champions till we crown a new one"

I'm not understanding where the confusion in this conversation is. Did the Raiders win this week? If they won they are winners.

It's the simplest meaning of the word. It's breaking it down to the core.

I think your trying to read to much into it.

Oh man.

Sorry but I don't agree with this at all.

So a 3-9 ball club is a 'winner' cause they won their last game but a 10-2 (Vikings) football are losers cause they lost their last one?

I guess then when Dallas made the Superbowl but didn't win you just pegged them as losers?

Wow.

That's a line of thinking that makes so little sense to me that I can't even fathom how you're trying to defend it as a legit way to think of things.

But to each their own.

 

[SDogo]

Oh man.

Sorry but I don't agree with this at all.

So a 3-9 ball club is a 'winner' cause they won their last game but a 10-2 football are losers cause they lost their last one?

I guess then when Dallas made the Superbowl but didn't win you just pegged them as losers?

Wow.

That's a line of thinking that makes so little sense to me that I can't even fathom how you're trying to defend it as a legit way to think of things.

But to each their own.

How can you lose a game and be a winner that week?

I'm not talking about the mentality or your record that season. I'm talking about that week, in the win/lose column. Your a loser that week.

 

[Daudr]

This gives me hope. Wow, was I wrong about getting Keith Brooking. He's been the perfect ingredient for this team, and he just proved it once again.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Brooking: "I saw you on ESPN"

"that's the last time I'll see you on TV"

LOL Broo-KING

I will disagree with Brooking on the Wade Phillips' career, coaching record argument

0-4, that's all that really matters, and keeping on pointing it out does sound like Wade has been content with his career thus far

but if he keeps on going with how he's been going, in time he's just going to be an AFLAC trivia question that'll stump people

"who is the winningest coach w/o a playoff victory?" ummm, ah, erm, eh, I give up Nantz

 

[Hostile]

Till someone beats them, yes.

It's no different then the old saying, "they are the champions till we crown a new one"

I'm not understanding where the confusion in this conversation is. Did the Raiders win this week? If they won they are winners.

It's the simplest meaning of the word. It's breaking it down to the core.

I think your trying to read to much into it.

I am sorry, this is utter nonsense. No offense is meant, but this is beyond silly.

There isn't a Raider player, coach, executive, or fan who wouldn't trade places with the Cowboys right now.

You're hat is on too tight with this crappola.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Until this team makes then wins a play-off game, it will be what it currently is. A team that can't get over the hurdle.

Many reasons for this but the December fade is one of the biggies.

Calling them winners or losers is unimportant. They just have not gotten the job done.

The east was sitting in their laps and they dropped the Giants game. Some will say there is still time. But the schedule suggests those who do are not looking at the brutality of what lies ahead.

They could turn this around. But 1-3 is what I expect now. And that's if Washington is indifferent by the time we get their.

No stats by one player change the fact that this game was lost and the east is teetering.

This winner loser argument is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

 

[DallasEast]

Until this team makes then wins a play-off game, it will be what it currently is. A team that can't get over the hurdle.

Many reasons for this but the December fade is one of the biggies.

Calling them winners or losers is unimportant. They just have not gotten the job done.

The east was sitting in their laps and they dropped the Giants game. Some will say there is still time. But the schedule suggests those who do are not looking at the brutality of what lies ahead.

They could turn this around. But 1-3 is what I expect now. And that's if Washington is indifferent by the time we get their.

No stats by one player change the fact that this game was lost and the east is teetering.

This winner loser argument is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

Steve Dennis remains adamant about the importance of that distinction and wishes that Wade Phillips would volunteer verbal confirmation.

 

[Cover 2]

Thank you!

If we were 4-8 I could understand this line of questioning, but at 8-4 we are ahead of where most of the mediots expected us to be at this point in the season. Since they can't blame Romo for this loss, like they usually do, they put it on Wade.

It is NOT the media's job to hold a team/coach/players accountable. That statement there shows just how far down the media has gone. They should be about reporting the news but instead they have made it their mission in life to create news by generating controversy.

Wade is right for blaming the media because they ARE to blame for the perception that is out there. Most other teams in the NFL would LOVE to trade their record for ours right now. Just ask the Commanders if they would rather have our record or their own. How about the reigning SB champs? You think the Stealers wouldn't rather be 8-4 than 6-6?

These mediots need to shut their pie-holes and just report the news for a change. :bang2:

And if we don't make the playoffs should the "mediots" still shut their pie hole? I'm not saying we won't, but there is a chance. We have a very tough schedule.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Steve Dennis remains adamant about the importance of that distinction and wishes that Wade Phillips would volunteer verbal confirmation.

I guess that's his job, Dallas. To call out the team and make the hard comments.

The validity of his comments are accurate. This team has faded in the clutch for a long time.

Getting Wade to admit that is sort of nitpicking, if you ask me.

I thinik brooking said it best. The players are in control.

Which is what I have been saying for years. So if they are not getting the job done, then the fault lies with the guys executing and not so much the guys drawing up the x's and o's.

Which presents a completely different problem. Because if it is the players, then no coaching change will stop the december bleeding. It will take a talent overhaul.

And that is downright scary.

 

[DallasEast]

I guess that's his job, Dallas. To call out the team and make the hard comments.

The validity of his comments are accurate. This team has faded in the clutch for a long time.

Getting Wade to admit that is sort of nitpicking, if you ask me.

I thinik brooking said it best. The players are in control.

Which is what I have been saying for years. So if they are not getting the job done, then the fault lies with the guys executing and not so much the guys drawing up the x's and o's.

Which presents a completely different problem. Because if it is the players, then no coaching change will stop the december bleeding. It will take a talent overhaul.

And that is downright scary.

His job, like any other journalist, is to ask the hard question. However, a journalist job is not to badger someone for what he or she has formulated within their own mind is the one and only answer. Journalism is not predicated upon inquisitioning others into confessions.

It is a practice for gathering facts to support a supposition. Sometimes, the process of gathering facts forces a journalist to seek more than one source to prove a supposition. It used to be that journalists did the hard work to uncovering facts. Now, people seek the easy way.

"Hey coach! Since I have you in my crosshairs, you're going to give me the answer I want to hear. Oh, you won't, will you? Fine. Instead of gathering my information elsewhere, I'll just keep coming at you like a blithering fool."

 

[TwoDeep3]

His job, like any other journalist, is to ask the hard question. However, a journalist job is not to badger someone for what he or she has formulated within their own mind is the one and only answer. Journalism is not predicated upon inquisitioning others into confessions.

It is a practice for gathering facts to support a supposition. Sometimes, the process of gathering facts forces a journalist to seek more than one source to prove a supposition. It used to be that journalists did the hard work to uncovering facts. Now, people seek the easy way.

"Hey coach! Since I have you in my crosshairs, you're going to give me the answer I want to hear. Oh, you won't, will you? Fine. Instead of gathering my information elsewhere, I'll just keep coming at you like a blithering fool."

But this is our society now. This isn't just sports or even journalism. We watch reality TV and root for whomever and against others.

Survivor has us railing on people we truly don't even know.

I don't think Dennis is that accomplished a journalist to begin with. I see him as the funny sidekick to Babe when they are on TV.

I also think he is sort of a pantywaste. He surely took a different posture with Brooking.

But look at the Tiger thing and this is what we've become. The guy cheated. I'd be willing to wager that 40% of this board either has cheated or is currently cheating on their spouse. Maybe even higher.

There is a psychological phenomenon going with people in this country that we have to make ourselves feel better by putting others down.

So for a guy like Dennis to act this way to the head coach, it just is part of what we are about now.

 

[DallasEast]

But this is our society now. This isn't just sports or even journalism. We watch reality TV and root for whomever and against others.

Survivor has us railing on people we truly don't even know.

I don't think Dennis is that accomplished a journalist to begin with. I see him as the funny sidekick to Babe when they are on TV.

I also think he is sort of a pantywaste. He surely took a different posture with Brooking.

But look at the Tiger thing and this is what we've become. The guy cheated. I'd be willing to wager that 40% of this board either has cheated or is currently cheating on their spouse. Maybe even higher.

There is a psychological phenomenon going with people in this country that we have to make ourselves feel better by putting others down.

So for a guy like Dennis to act this way to the head coach, it just is part of what we are about now.

So he and everyone who treats journalism like him should be "allowed" to acted unprofessionally because it is now deemed in vogue?

This isn't being directed at you, but heaven help basic human rationality.

 

[kmd24]

Calling them winners or losers is unimportant. They just have not gotten the job done.

In the context of the PC, calling them winners was important. When asked why he thought the team would rebound, Wade said "Because we have a good team, we've won 8 games...We have a team of winners."

In that context, Dennis' comment was a non sequitur

 

[Hostile]

I got 5 bucks that says no one can ever show me where Frank Luksa or Brad Sham ever badgered a coach or player like Steve Dennis did.

I apologize to the CRAP crowd (thank you poke for that one) for wanting professional journalism and reporting about the team. You see, I am stuck in a time when class mattered and Luksa and Sham have it in spades.

Today, we get wannabe Howard Sterns in sports talk who think they are clever but are utterly stupid. Whether anyone wants to admit it or not Brooking schooled Steve Dennis. He got him to admit to a double standard with Wade and Parcells.

It never would have happened with Sham and Luksa because they are too professional.

I bet our very own Chad Peters will never be a self important moron either.

Professional journalism seems to have died in recent years.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I loveeeeeee Keith!

 

[TwoDeep3]

So he and everyone who treats journalism like him should be "allowed" to acted unprofessionally because it is now deemed in vogue?

This isn't being directed at you, but heaven help basic human rationality.

Well, one might make the argument that jounalists have over the last few decades become more powerful than they should be. Maybe to the point of influencing the last election. it could be debated.

Condoning the behavior of dennis is part and parcels with the prevalent thinking amongst the press that they are above reproach.

The mere fact that these sports jounalists vote on the Hall of Fame and they have never played the game, for the most part is astounding to me. I love this sport, but for me to actually think I understand it well enough to cast a vote is absurd.

How these Einsteins leave Jim Plunkett out of the Hall is amazingly stupid. His two SB wins override his interception/TD ratio.

I once heard Galloway bragging on the air about a player that called him out for a comment he made in an article.

He had the temerity to say, "Buster, I was here before you got here and will be here long after you are gone."

It was at that point that Galloway became a smll voice to me.

I am not suggesting Dennis is right in the way he handled it. But as society becomes more blood thirsty and wanting more dirt dished on the heroes of today, the more this will not only be accepted, but it will escalate.

The press will deliver the pound of flesh the fans want.

Frankly, I grew up when Mickey Mantle was a hero and his drinking was kept quiet.

I miss those days.

 

[TwoDeep3]

I got 5 bucks that says no one can ever show me where Frank Luksa or Brad Sham ever badgered a coach or player like Steve Dennis did.

I apologize to the CRAP crowd (thank you poke for that one) for wanting professional journalism and reporting about the team. You see, I am stuck in a time when class mattered and Luksa and Sham have it in spades.

Today, we get wannabe Howard Sterns in sports talk who think they are clever but are utterly stupid. Whether anyone wants to admit it or not Brooking schooled Steve Dennis. He got him to admit to a double standard with Wade and Parcells.

It never would have happened with Sham and Luksa because they are too professional.

I bet our very own Chad Peters will never be a self important moron either.

Professional journalism seems to have died in recent years.

Hos, I am right there with you.

However, the comment that got Sham fired as a play-by-play man was over the top arrogant.

He was sticking up for Lard Butt Hansen during that pre-season game and he broke a code that you don't embarass your boss in public.

I agree Sham is a classy guy. But that day he allowed his emotions to get the best of him and paid for it by being benched for a season.

 

[goliadmike]

I got 5 bucks that says no one can ever show me where Frank Luksa or Brad Sham ever badgered a coach or player like Steve Dennis did.

I apologize to the CRAP crowd (thank you poke for that one) for wanting professional journalism and reporting about the team. You see, I am stuck in a time when class mattered and Luksa and Sham have it in spades.

Today, we get wannabe Howard Sterns in sports talk who think they are clever but are utterly stupid. Whether anyone wants to admit it or not Brooking schooled Steve Dennis. He got him to admit to a double standard with Wade and Parcells.

It never would have happened with Sham and Luksa because they are too professional.

I bet our very own Chad Peters will never be a self important moron either.

Professional journalism seems to have died in recent years.

If you are going old school Hos you cannot forget Blackie Sherrod!!!

"The Pittsburgh coach may be the only citizen in jockdom who changes expression less than Tom Landry, the well-known marble bust who supervises the Dallas Cowboy's from Olympus."

No way in hell can any of the ******s that pass for journalists today come up with anything as descriptive as what Blackie could write.