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[superpunk]

Ok it may that simple to you but its not that simple to me if you said that about Bellicheck I would agree. Lets be real Parcells is currently living off reputation and next year is make or break can he do it maybe, maybe not but to me 27-25 is underwhelming even more so when you look at what Fox has done in Carolina over pretty much the same timespan with the same talent level.

How much of that talent was already there for Fox to develop? They had a 1-15 season, unlike our 10-6 that forced BP to stick with the same makeup for one year too many.

Assistants of Parcells that are now head coaches-

Bellichick, Weis, Crennel?, Payton, Saban, etc.

 

[DLCassidy]

I was so discouraged after the way 2005 ended I didnt want to post anymore until around draft time, but with the senior bowl coming up and all the other stuff going on, I had to get back on...

1) I still cant believe this team didnt make the playoffs...some want to blame a kicker, some blame injuries and some blame it on young players...but the two teams playing in the super bowl next week have both overcome injuries and youth and they seem ok...I guess its fine to try to spin it that way, but I suspect after the 2006 season most everyone will see why things are the way they are here

You said it yourself we couldn't win with Tucker and Petitti at tackle. Did you change your mind?:laugh2:

2) they didnt call Norv Turner...they didnt call Al Saunders (and stood by twiddling thumbs as he went to our biggest rival)...now today, the guy they apparently DID want gets on a plane and signs a deal with the New Orleans Saints...I'm doubting very seriously that cheapo owner Tom Benson made Palmer an offer (ie, $$$) he couldnt refuse......

Palmer hasn't signed anywhere yet so you can withdraw that one. Turner wan't going anywhere unless it was SF for family reasons. Saunders? That would have been nice, I can agree on that one.

3) as a continuation of that, while I am sure this will be an unpopular opinion with most, its apparent to me that Parcells just doesnt want really GOOD coaches on this staff...I am absolutely convinced he wants a mediocre staff, so in the case that we do win he can stroke his obviously out of control ego even more and say "SEE!!! I can win with anybody, I dont need guys like Belechick, Weis, Crennel, Erhardt, Groh etc etc"...Sporano was a bad OL coach, and now he might be the offensive coordinator? there were 8 or 9 openings this yr, yet only one team interviewed Zimmer (and reportedly were VERY underwhelmed, to the point that they didnt even bother to call him back)...nobody else wanted this guy, and this doesnt count the openings in college football either...even the coordinator of a team (Niners) with the worst offense in football the past two years got a head coaching job ahead of Zimmer...David Lee??? Paul Pasqulaoni?? Kacy Rodgers??? Todd Haley?? Mike Macintyre?...we had undoubtedly the best coaching staff in the league from the early to mid 90's, now we've done a complete 180 and have the worst staff in football...most of the guys on this staff wouldnt (and wont once the HC here is gone) get jobs in the NFL anywhere else

Don't buy this at all. Parcells has one, two years left tops. He knows he'll get TONS of credit if he wins no matter who's on his staff. The coaches that are in demand are the one's from winning programs. Win a SB and our staff will be plenty popular.

4) while I am not high on Tucker and Petitti, the fact that they both played extensively and didnt show one shred of improvement as the yr wore on is an even further indictment of how poor a job Tony Sporano did...we're not the first team in league history to start a late rd pick at one OL spot, but the horrendous play of the two tackles really crippled the offense...good OL coaches can take below average to average guys and at least make them servicable if they get enough PT...these guys were total train wrecks, and to those that still want to say "well he was only a 6th rd pick" I ask you this- which should be the potential BIGGER handicap for a team, a 6th rd pick starting at Right Tackle or a 4th rd pick starting at QUARTERBACK? (and by the way, the team that started the 4th rd pick at QB had an 8 game winning streak with him as a starter and ended up with a 1st rd bye in the playoffs)

Tucker is plain dumb. He's not going to get much better no matter who's coaching him. Petitti had a high ankle sprain from the Detroit game. If we had anyone else he wouldn't have been out there.

5) if I were running things at VR I'd have replaced both coordinators and the OL coach with quality people and even w/o making any other improvements personnel wise I bet we'd win at least 10 or 11 games next yr...since that didnt happen we now have to hope to overcome bad coaching with finding exceptional talent...getting Adams back improves one tackle spot, so we need another one (no, I dont believe Tucker or Petitti is a legit NFL starter)...I think upgrading at C is a priority as well...defensively they need another playmaking OLB, a real prospect at NT and a FS...I'd look at WR at some point early in the draft as well, as counting on 30-somethings Keyshawn and Glenn to be both injury free and productive again for 16 games next yr is probably wishful, thinking...finally we arrive at kicker, for the life of me I cant understand why they did nothing at kicker last offseason...Cundiff was never better than average in the first place, not bringing in legit competition for him was foolish and ended up causing problems during the season...Parcells knew he wanted to play this "ugly ball" style, so having a good (not an average or mediocre) kicker should have been a priority

We will add some good players at the positions you list and I predict we will win 11 games next year with the staff we have.

6) why is it in three seasons now, none of our teams has been better as the year progressed?

I think the defense did get better as the year progressed. Glover did get worn down some but other than the 2nd washington game which was a team train wreck the D kept us in every game. The offense? The season ended for them when Flo went down. Simple but true.

7) I hate the Commanders, but no matter how much you hate them you have to admit that Joe Gibbs and Greg Williams did an awesome job of coaching that team this yr..and to think that they've now added arguably the best offensive coordinator in the NFL, just imagine how good they might could be if Al Saunders is as big a difference maker for the offense as Greg Williams has been with the defense...with the so-so talent and numerous injuries that team had, they had no business making the playoffs AND winning a road playoff game, yet they did...thats called good coaching

That sounds good but nothing in the NFL is stable. The Commanders will lose some good players for cap reasons. I do worry about them but I'm not conceding anything to them for next year.

8) I'm guessing despite Jerry Jones' comments, Glovers gets cut before free agency begins and Ellis will be paid his bonus, then traded...if he is traded, I hope we get something decent in return (and by decent, at least a 2nd rd pick or a quality starter at a position of need)

Agree about Glover. Ellis might get a 3rd but no way does a 31 year old generate a 2nd in return.

9) I have no idea what players we'll sign or draft, but I cant help but think that OLB Bobby Carpenter will end up a Cowboy on draft day...not only is he a good player and a tough guy, but Parcells coached his dad when they were with the Giants

It's possible but 18 seems early for him to me. Maybe if we trade down to late 1st or he slips to the 2nd.

10) hey, guess what former Cowboy quarterback still doesnt have an NFL job? (I just had to throw that in there for a certain special little poster who's username sounds like the guy I referring to)

David

Yes that is truly shocking isn't it?

 

[dbair1967]

Doom and gloom types bore me. Reality is sometimes hard, but never as tough as the glass half empty types portray it.
For every point you made, a counterpoint is readily available.
Critical fact is this- we are a much better team then when BP got here.
If you cannot see that, then you are truly blind and I don't have the time to
find a seeing eye dog for you.

the talent is better yes, I agree

the results for what we pay the guy? thats a different story

Dave Campo was a loser, but even he could probably duplicate Parcells' results to date here if he had the same type of roster

to be only 1 game over .500 in 3yrs and have no playoff wins just doesnt impress me very much...

David

 

[Kilyin]

the talent is better yes, I agree

the results for what we pay the guy? thats a different story

Dave Campo was a loser, but even he could probably duplicate Parcells' results to date here if he had the same type of roster

to be only 1 game over .500 in 3yrs and have no playoff wins just doesnt impress me very much...

David

Pretty much, I'm tired of having nothing but "Wait until next year, Parcells is building something here!" while we have an inconsistent team fading down the stretch every season. Yeah, I realize the talent level is improved, but there are still far too many mistakes being made IMO.

Then again, you have 31 teams saying that every year. It's a vicious cycle.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

ah, nothing but a positive thread to get the afternoon started with

 

[Juke99]

The difference is in the music field you need to keep coming up with new material constantly. Simply rehashing "Let it Be" 300 times with some slight key or beat changes doesn't really cut it for long - for the artist or the fans. WIth a few exceptions just about everyone who has ever had any success in the music business eventually just runs out of new ideas.

In football Parcells has a formula that generally works. He doesn't need to reinvent the wheel every time he takes over a new team (or starts a new band, as it were).

Sure the players change, the league changes, the rules change and the expectations change. But the philosophies that Bill uses to win football games are still proven, as evidence by how many teams and coaches out there still swear by them.

I'm not saying that you are completely wrong about Parcells. Certainly you have brought up good points before that perhaps a game plan that relies more on an extremely high level of execution is tougher to implement in this day and age when there is little year-over-year continuity on teams and the cap demands that youth constantly find its way on the field - often times before it is ready.

But none of that equates to this silly "ego" argument that people keep spouting, from coaches to quarterbacks.

Well...with my post, I was mostly trying to say that if I, or someone else is critical of Parcells today, it doesn't demean his past...or ignore it or make me "fickle"...

Ya know, the music analogy might not have been spot on...

I was a huge Muhammad Ali fan...from his days as Cassius Clay...right to the end...at the end, he was awful...but that doesn't change the fact that I still admire the guy...think he was an all time great...and I felt that way WHILE watching him at the end.

I think we tend to see coaches differently because it's not as much a physical experience as it is mental. But sooner or later, every coach runs out of steam.

Is that the case here? Might be...Might not be...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

FIRE PARCELLS!!

rabble, rabble, rabble

FIRE PARCELLS!!

rabble, rabble, rabble

 

[Bob Sacamano]

now, since we pretty much got the moaning about Parcells out of the way, I want to hear some realistic ideas of how we can improve our head coaching position, or who we could have hired that was a better choice than Parcells, or could have done better...

this will be a treat, and remember, keyword...realistic

 

[Bob Sacamano]

............................

 

[superpunk]

now, since we pretty much got the moaning about Parcells out of the way, I want to hear some realistic ideas of how we can improve our head coaching position, or who we could have hired that was a better choice than Parcells, or could have done better...

this will be a treat, and remember, keyword...realistic

How about THIS guy?

He looks humble....

 

[Bob Sacamano]

How about THIS guy?

He looks humble....

I'm not even entertaining the thought that I'll get a good answer

face facts guys, Parcells was the best we could have done, and will be able to do, and besides, too late to start thinking about replacing him, only has 2 years left

 

[Kilyin]

summer, you must be talking to yourself, because you're the only who said anything about firing Parcells. Acknowledging inconsistency isn't negative, it's realistic.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

I just don't see how we will improve our offensive line without a major improvement in coaching. Offensive lines are not built simply by amassing talent. There are plenty of teams that have had lousy O-lines despite having first round talent. Talent alone doesn't make an offensive line. It's not a coincidence why the best teams in the NFL have great offensive lines on an annual basis despite having turnover. It's called coaching or rather teaching. Good offensive lines are taught well. The players understand what they are doing and are not simply intimidated because they have been yelled at all day. A scared player doesn't necessarily make a good player; an educated player does however. I just don't think anyone on our staff knows how to teach lineman.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Its amazing to me that guys think this is strictly a Parcells personality quirk or phenomenon. Why hasn't Mike Martz gotten some interviews yet? Go to rotoworld.com Look at the assistant coaching hires around the league today. Gary Kubiak just hired Coach Troy Calhoun to be his QB Coach and OC in Houston. Yes, THE Troy Calhoun. Did he hire THE Troy Calhoun because he had the most impressive NFL resume available on the market? Or did he do it because they both coached at Denver and shared the same offensive background and philosophy. Look at the guys Belichick hired to replace Mangini, Crennel and Weis. A bunch of no name kids. I guess Belichick really doesn't care about assistant coaches either. And for that matter, why did Belichick insist on loading his staff with only former Parcells assistant coaches like Crennel and Weis and Pepper Johnson when he took the New England job in the first place? Why didn't he go out and sign the guys with the most lengthy NFL resumes, regardless of the philosophy fit or background?

The difference is that Calhoun was successful as an assistant. The Denver system works. Our coaches have not done anything in regards to the offensive line. I agree that you should keep your assistant if they have proven themselves regardless if they lack a well recognized name. Promoting within is preferred, however, only if these assistants have proven themselves which they haven't in Dallas.

 

[dbair1967]

What if Parcells wins it all this year...is he back to being a football genius, check his history, he took The Gmen to the big dance in his 4th year there and i believe the pats as well....?

what has Parcells done lately that makes you think he'll get us, or any other team to a super bowl?

he last won one 15 years ago, and while he had a good team that lost their starting QB along the way, he did get pretty lucky to win that last one

the facts are he's never had a team win, or even appear in back to back super bowls or even back to back championships...none of the teams he coached to the super bowl even MADE the playoffs the following season...for all the credit he gets at being a "master builder" why has he really only had success in back to back yrs only once or twice?

check your history...Parcells' winning was a LONG time ago...just because he wons YEARS ago, doesnt mean he's going to do it here

David

 

[DipChit]

the talent is better yes, I agree

the results for what we pay the guy? thats a different story

Dave Campo was a loser, but even he could probably duplicate Parcells' results to date here if he had the same type of roster

to be only 1 game over .500 in 3yrs and have no playoff wins just doesnt impress me very much...

David

Doesnt impress me very much either. Shouldnt impress anyone very much.

Then again how many HC's are out there right now that have been coaching their team more than a year or 2 can one say they have been impressed with? I would submit not very damn many. Which isnt here nor there I know since all we care about is the Cowboys and not what the other teams are doing.

Still though, want to say we're impressed with any coaches that have gotten to the show the last several years? Well in the case of a huge percentage of those, how impressed were we when their teams didnt even make it to .500 the next year? It keeps happening over and over again, primarily in the NFC.

Weird how the job Bill did in '03, however "he" did it was prolly as good a coaching job as you'll see when you had a D that wasnt exactly a wrecking crew so to speak (like the Bears this year) and had the QB/RB combo we had.

Funny how he went from a veritable miracle worker to a guy whos washed up and doesnt have a clue what it takes to win anymore in 2 short years.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Well...with my post, I was mostly trying to say that if I, or someone else is critical of Parcells today, it doesn't demean his past...or ignore it or make me "fickle"...

Ya know, the music analogy might not have been spot on...

I was a huge Muhammad Ali fan...from his days as Cassius Clay...right to the end...at the end, he was awful...but that doesn't change the fact that I still admire the guy...think he was an all time great...and I felt that way WHILE watching him at the end.

I think we tend to see coaches differently because it's not as much a physical experience as it is mental. But sooner or later, every coach runs out of steam.

Is that the case here? Might be...Might not be...

Too bad you're not a good judge of Parcells.

You only "know" him 3rd best behind LTN and Nors... oh excuse me, that's Nors and LTN.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I just don't see how we will improve our offensive line without a major improvement in coaching. Offensive lines are not built simply by amassing talent. There are plenty of teams that have had lousy O-lines despite having first round talent. Talent alone doesn't make an offensive line. It's not a coincidence why the best teams in the NFL have great offensive lines on an annual basis despite having turnover. It's called coaching or rather teaching. Good offensive lines are taught well. The players understand what they are doing and are not simply intimidated because they have been yelled at all day. A scared player doesn't necessarily make a good player; an educated player does however. I just don't think anyone on our staff knows how to teach lineman.

Im not going to deny that cohesion is def necessary on the OL but our offensive tackles would have been impossible to work with by Bugle or Tice or any other OL guru.

When it comes down to it you can scheme protection to cover one side or the other and when Flozell went down we were screwed. I thought before Adams went down our OL performed admirably.

Look no further that the skins last year and Jansen. That was Bugle coaching that line and they simply looked bad.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Im not going to deny that cohesion is def necessary on the OL but our offensive tackles would have been impossible to work with by Bugle or Tice or any other OL guru.

Funny to read what this Dolphin fan wrote about Tony Wise last year in a Good, Band and the Ugly about the Dolphins (Tony Wise fell in the "ugly" category).

Tony Wise-The Dough Master General told us early in the year that his troops would experience growing pains but would be ready to play well by December. Here comes December, Tony, and here come the blitzes. Eight, nine, ten at a time. What are you going to do about it? This line isn’t getting better. It is flatlining. They’re a walking death sentence to any QB or running back brave enough, or foolish enough, to play behind them. I know in my dark heart, that you, Tony Wise, were behind each and every draft pick and free agent lineman brought in during the Wannstedt regime. How is it that they all SUCK. ALL of them!!!! Check that. I still have a sliver of hope for Rex Hadnot, Wade Smith and Vernon Carey. Problem is that you won’t play them when your turds are healthy. They’re always healthy because they avoid contact at all costs.

 

[JIGGYFLY]

How much of that talent was already there for Fox to develop? They had a 1-15 season, unlike our 10-6 that forced BP to stick with the same makeup for one year too many.

Assistants of Parcells that are now head coaches-

Bellichick, Weis, Crennel?, Payton, Saban, etc.

:laugh2:
BP forced to stick with team because of 10-6 yeah that makes a lot of sense so he is is gonna be forced to stick with this team because were 9-7 or the one less win makes a lot of difference.l: You notice those people you name
worked for Bellichick last minus payton but parcells gets all the credit.

I am not a Parcells Hater I am a fan of the Dallas Cowboys so 27-25 does not give Parcells a Pass in my book. Fox took a 1-15 team to the superbowl in 2 years and was in the championship game this year with the same amount of talent and injuries, Parcells is 27-25 you do the math.