back from hiatus

[Bob Sacamano]

summer, you must be talking to yourself, because you're the only who said anything about firing Parcells. Acknowledging inconsistency isn't negative, it's realistic.

I'm just saying...what is the point of yelling out Parcells' inconsistencies, every...FREAKIN'...TIME?! I mean, if you aren't going to outright say you want another coach, or we could have hired a better candidate, it just sounds like b*******, and going out to hang someone, but don't have a plan behind it, and since you don't have a plan, things all of a sudden, become terribly brutal, I mean, we know you're disgrutled, and the rest of you *COUGH* DBair *Cough*, but dayum...we get it already!

shoot, now I know why NFL teams dont' do suggestion boxes, they'll just be answering the same questions, jeez, some of you must have burst yourselvs when BP was named our coach, expecting him to know how the future would turn out, now acting like BIll all of a sudden, forgot how to coach, and build a winning team, knowing how to win just doens't leave you

man...I'm soooo drunk right now, I'm just babbling

 

[jackrussell]

...the Eeyore train is pulling out...woooo wooooooooooooooo......

 

[Juke99]

Too bad you're not a good judge of Parcells.

You only "know" him 3rd best behind LTN and Nors... oh excuse me, that's Nors and LTN.

Damn, I'm not even Avis.

 

[ShiningStar]

what has Parcells done lately that makes you think he'll get us, or any other team to a super bowl?

he last won one 15 years ago, and while he had a good team that lost their starting QB along the way, he did get pretty lucky to win that last one

the facts are he's never had a team win, or even appear in back to back super bowls or even back to back championships...none of the teams he coached to the super bowl even MADE the playoffs the following season...for all the credit he gets at being a "master builder" why has he really only had success in back to back yrs only once or twice?

check your history...Parcells' winning was a LONG time ago...just because he wons YEARS ago, doesnt mean he's going to do it here

David

Seriously..how easy do you think this is? Are you a recent football fan. This isnt easy stuff. I got news for you too junior, Parcells has been inactive on the sidelines for a while there..so its hard to win when your not working...he wasnt away from football...HE WASNT COACHING.

Your really delusional if you think anyone is coming to town and whip up a SB caliber team. yes you are seeing some really good coaches out there an your seeing some decent ones, i know, all the ones that got fired suck, i know i know, everyone says it, but this is not something that you go out there wave a wand and wah ha! instant Super Bowl. It just doesnt work that way. I know i know you came in when Jimmy was doing it and its easy..i did it last week too...walked over to the Bengals BAM instant playoffs.

I know...i can admit..you do it in Madden its just that easy. If only, If only you had the time to go down there and tell Parcells how its done, than we can all sleep happily at nite.

 

[dbair1967]

Seriously..how easy do you think this is? Are you a recent football fan. This isnt easy stuff. I got news for you too junior, Parcells has been inactive on the sidelines for a while there..so its hard to win when your not working...he wasnt away from football...HE WASNT COACHING.

Your really delusional if you think anyone is coming to town and whip up a SB caliber team. yes you are seeing some really good coaches out there an your seeing some decent ones, i know, all the ones that got fired suck, i know i know, everyone says it, but this is not something that you go out there wave a wand and wah ha! instant Super Bowl. It just doesnt work that way. I know i know you came in when Jimmy was doing it and its easy..i did it last week too...walked over to the Bengals BAM instant playoffs.

I know...i can admit..you do it in Madden its just that easy. If only, If only you had the time to go down there and tell Parcells how its done, than we can all sleep happily at nite.

well I dont play Madden football and have watched this team religeously since 1975, so that kinda ruins your theory

keep on drinking that Parcells kool aid...I hope we win it all next yr or show some major improvement, but if we dont I'm sure the long list of excuses and defeatist "well we almost won some close games!!"..."well we finished with a 9-7 record again!!!" attitudes will be front and center...

David

 

[ShiningStar]

well I dont play Madden football and have watched this team religeously since 1975, so that kinda ruins your theory

keep on drinking that Parcells kool aid...I hope we win it all next yr or show some major improvement, but if we dont I'm sure the long list of excuses and defeatist "well we almost won some close games!!"..."well we finished with a 9-7 record again!!!" attitudes will be front and center...

David

so your playing both sides..okay..thats ...typical..if they suck you knew it..if they win..your cheering....makes sense.....good luck with that...a pleasure talking with.....productive to know where you stand.

 

[burmafrd]

few of us are drinking any koolaid. Just of the opinion that every coach makes mistakes (you do remember that the head scout for the Pats had to twist belliceks arm to draft brady, remember?). BP took a couple of gambles this year and they blew up in his face. That happens. But the D really is solid now, and next year SHOULD be dominant. That puts a whole long way ahead of where we have been in 10 years THERE ALONE. It all comes down to getting a good performance out of the O line next year. That will be the critical factor.

 

[dbair1967]

so your playing both sides..okay..thats ...typical..if they suck you knew it..if they win..your cheering....makes sense.....good luck with that...a pleasure talking with.....productive to know where you stand.

I'm not playing both sides...

look I was all giddy just like most when we got Parcells, but after 3yrs its obvious to me that he just doesnt have "it" anymore...I think he's done a nice job of rebuilding the talent base, but a poor of job of coaching it...I think he's put together a poor staff and when numerous opportunities have presented themselves to improve it, he's ignore it

this isnt the same league it was 15yrs ago, when it took 3-4-5yrs to rebuild a bad team into a good one...I see other teams turn it aroudn quickly and I see other coaches hired when Parcells was or since that are doing better coaching jobs, and almost none of them make anywhere near the money he makes

I hope I'm wrong about Parcells and that next yr we're 12-4 or something, but in none of his 3yrs here has the team got better as the year wore on...things that were supposed to be "Parcells team trademarks" like solid blocking and tackling, good defense and running the football dont exist here yet

David

 

[burmafrd]

dbair, already your last statement convicts you. Injuries hurt us badly later in the season this year. Last year We PLAYED BETTER the last 6-7 games then we did earlier. BUT you will not admit that since then your whole arguement falls apart (not that it didn't already).

 

[Jarv]

dbair, already your last statement convicts you. Injuries hurt us badly later in the season this year. Last year We PLAYED BETTER the last 6-7 games then we did earlier. BUT you will not admit that since then your whole arguement falls apart (not that it didn't already).

I disagree, I with David on this. BP is great team builder, but his coaching and staff are not up to par with his earlier days...Belive me being in CT, I have experience with many of my friends being Giants/Jets and Pats fans.

Glad he actually came here and brought us respectibility and he has built a solid 3-4, albeit 2 years late. I really don't think he'll honor the final year of his contract, never has before if you belive in history...

Then in 2007 we'll have a good defense and we'll be looking at a new offensive system.

 

[Waffle]

Welcome back, David. I disagree with your dissing of BP, but welcome back anyway. I think anyone who really believes that Parcells wants a "mediocre staff" is in some sort of fantasyland. JMO.

Parcells has significantly upgraded this roster and this team is in much better shape than when it was controlled by Jones and Campo. It's an insdisputable fact. My theory is that most of you anti-Parcells guys are the ones who worship at the altar of Drew Henson. Just my observation.

I'll reserve my judgement on Parcells for another year. In the meantime, I'll expect none of you anti-Bill guys to join the bandwagon when we go 11-5 next year and advance in the playoffs.

 

[hogwild]

Bill Parcells gets credit for turning the defense around, but in
reality, an absolute idiot could have picked TNew,DWare, MSpears
CCanty.....show me how he did something that anybody with
half a brain couldn't do. BTW i think hiring BP was the worst decision
JJOnes has made in 3yrs... CWEiS, SABAN would have been alot better.
If you want a certain style don't go after a has been, go after a
promising student there of.

 

[junk]

Welcome back, David. I disagree with your dissing of BP, but welcome back anyway. I think anyone who really believes that Parcells wants a "mediocre staff" is in some sort of fantasyland. JMO.

Parcells has significantly upgraded this roster and this team is in much better shape than when it was controlled by Jones and Campo. It's an insdisputable fact. My theory is that most of you anti-Parcells guys are the ones who worship at the altar of Drew Henson. Just my observation.

I'll reserve my judgement on Parcells for another year. In the meantime, I'll expect none of you anti-Bill guys to join the bandwagon when we go 11-5 next year and advance in the playoffs.

This board is filled with the attitude that you either "hate" or "love" a player or coach. Such extremes.

Its entirely possible to be happy with what a player or coach does, but that doesn't put them above some criticism.

BP has, so far, done a good job turning this team around. Has he done some things that were probably mistakes? Absolutely. Has he done as good of a job as someone like Gibbs? Probably not. He isn't above some criticism from time to time.

Same for Bledsoe. He had a decent year. Best QB in Dallas in a while. Did he do some boneheaded things that deserved criticism? Absolutely.

You could make this case for any number of players/coaches on the team. Zimmer, Sparano, Ellis, James, Ware, etc.

Just because you don't agree with the way someone coaches or play, it doesn't automatically mean you don't like them.

I like Henson and think Parcells handling of him was probably right. I do think Parcells made some big mistakes in his defensive scheme this year however.

All this anti-this, bandwagon that, worship him stuff is just silly.

 

[Waffle]

This board is filled with the attitude that you either "hate" or "love" a player or coach. Such extremes.

Its entirely possible to be happy with what a player or coach does, but that doesn't put them above some criticism.

BP has, so far, done a good job turning this team around. Has he done some things that were probably mistakes? Absolutely. Has he done as good of a job as someone like Gibbs? Probably not. He isn't above some criticism from time to time.

Same for Bledsoe. He had a decent year. Best QB in Dallas in a while. Did he do some boneheaded things that deserved criticism? Absolutely.

You could make this case for any number of players/coaches on the team. Zimmer, Sparano, Ellis, James, Ware, etc.

Just because you don't agree with the way someone coaches or play, it doesn't automatically mean you don't like them.

I like Henson and think Parcells handling of him was probably right. I do think Parcells made some big mistakes in his defensive scheme this year however.

All this anti-this, bandwagon that, worship him stuff is just silly.

I pretty much agree with you Junk. Did you read Dbair's entire post? I just think it's "extreme" to actually have the opinion that BP wants mediocre coaches on his staff due to some ego trip he's on. That's laughable.

Your stance on the other hand has merit. I don't bow at BPs feet, but to say he's a horrible coach that only wants shoddy coaches on his staff and that he should be totally blamed for the team going 9-7 (what most expected this season anyway) is off-base.

I simply pointed out, in my opinion of course, that most of the people who are the most critical of Parcells are the ones who either hate Zimmer or were foaming at the mouth when Henson wasn't trotted out on the field in place of VT in 2004, that's all.

 

[ShiningStar]

I'm not playing both sides...

look I was all giddy just like most when we got Parcells, but after 3yrs its obvious to me that he just doesnt have "it" anymore...I think he's done a nice job of rebuilding the talent base, but a poor of job of coaching it...I think he's put together a poor staff and when numerous opportunities have presented themselves to improve it, he's ignore it

this isnt the same league it was 15yrs ago, when it took 3-4-5yrs to rebuild a bad team into a good one...I see other teams turn it aroudn quickly and I see other coaches hired when Parcells was or since that are doing better coaching jobs, and almost none of them make anywhere near the money he makes

I hope I'm wrong about Parcells and that next yr we're 12-4 or something, but in none of his 3yrs here has the team got better as the year wore on...things that were supposed to be "Parcells team trademarks" like solid blocking and tackling, good defense and running the football dont exist here yet

David

okay so our defense sucked last year....thats fine...ill agree with that...

poor tackling yes...bad defense...your out of your mind...end of story.

Show me the Coaches turning it aorund quickly? Holmgren? Cowher? You know how many poeple on this board told me Green had Arizona going? Coaches are not turning it around quickly my man. Some are coming to fruition after many many years and the right players......I think you want instant SB caliber and your blaming the wrong man....bottom line.....

 

[ShiningStar]

Bill Parcells gets credit for turning the defense around, but in
reality, an absolute idiot could have picked TNew,DWare, MSpears
CCanty.....show me how he did something that anybody with
half a brain couldn't do. BTW i think hiring BP was the worst decision
JJOnes has made in 3yrs... CWEiS, SABAN would have been alot better.
If you want a certain style don't go after a has been, go after a
promising student there of.

please show me the link that garunteed Saban would have been a better coach? Show me where and how many SB Charlie Weis as won? How many NFL games as head coach? OKay..your grasping at straws and your playing the hindsight game. In fact Sabans coaching staff was so good last year, he hired Capers and Turner...so yeah..it was up to par....

Show me where we can get the future that you so see clearly so we can make the right decisions, and if anyone could have seen our draft shut me up by putting up a mock draft and telling us which players we're taking cause im sure come june it was CLEAR WHO WE WERE TAKEN!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[hogwild]

please show me the link that garunteed Saban would have been a better coach? Show me where and how many SB Charlie Weis as won? How many NFL games as head coach? OKay..your grasping at straws and your playing the hindsight game. In fact Sabans coaching staff was so good last year, he hired Capers and Turner...so yeah..it was up to par....

Show me where we can get the future that you so see clearly so we can make the right decisions, and if anyone could have seen our draft shut me up by putting up a mock draft and telling us which players we're taking cause im sure come june it was CLEAR WHO WE WERE TAKEN!!!!!!!!!!!!

you don't need a link you need a brain
the proof of Saban is unfolding in front of your eyes, he never is satisfied
til he gets it right. Parcells stays with something that ain't working
cause he doesn't want to admit he was wrong. Thanks for making my point
about Saban upgrading his staff.
If you couldn't make those draft picks go back to playing tiddly-winks
cause you don't know football. Everybody except you i guess could have made them.. maybe you shoul've been learning football instead of
taking typing lessons.

 

[dbair1967]

Welcome back, David. I disagree with your dissing of BP, but welcome back anyway. I think anyone who really believes that Parcells wants a "mediocre staff" is in some sort of fantasyland. JMO.

Parcells has significantly upgraded this roster and this team is in much better shape than when it was controlled by Jones and Campo. It's an insdisputable fact. My theory is that most of you anti-Parcells guys are the ones who worship at the altar of Drew Henson. Just my observation.

I'll reserve my judgement on Parcells for another year. In the meantime, I'll expect none of you anti-Bill guys to join the bandwagon when we go 11-5 next year and advance in the playoffs.

I dont worship the alter of any player...I do think to a certain extent that he's mishandled the QB situation here, but also believe Bledsoe is a vast improvement over Q-bong and Vinny

as for Parcells himself, if he does indeed turn us around and make us a real contender I'll gladly eat my crwo and be happy for us all...but I'm just seeing it...this team is lackluster in just about every area...they dont play with any fire or real intensity...the defense cant rush the passer and blows leads too much...the OL is a sieve

like I said I hope I'm wrong, but I think we're all going to be having similar discussions next January as well

David

 

[dbair1967]

okay so our defense sucked last year....thats fine...ill agree with that...

poor tackling yes...bad defense...your out of your mind...end of story.

Show me the Coaches turning it aorund quickly? Holmgren? Cowher? You know how many poeple on this board told me Green had Arizona going? Coaches are not turning it around quickly my man. Some are coming to fruition after many many years and the right players......I think you want instant SB caliber and your blaming the wrong man....bottom line.....

I dont care for instant super bowl calibar, however I dont think its unrealistic after 3 seasons of Parcells to expect us to beat bad teams like the Saints and Rams at seasons end though...I dont think its unrealistic to expect this team to be playoff calibar when I see teams like the Bears winning 8 straight games with a rookie 4th rd pick at QB, a teams most important position...I saw a rookie HC in Miami get what would have to be consider an average roster at best to win its last 6 games (something Parcells has done here)...I see Bill Belechick winning 3 super bowls in 4yrs and quite honestly, they dont have THAT kind of talent to where they are just so much better than anyone else...

as for the defense, I never said it was "bad", I said it cant rush the passer to save its life and fails to create alot of turnovers, they have a penchant for blowing 4th qtr leads, regardless of what the situation is...its been 6yrs of the same 'ol same 'ol on defense...we stay in alot of games, but ultimately when it comes time for the defense to "WIN" the game, they fail more often than not...again, that might not be BAD defense, but it sure aint GOOD defense either

David

 

[junk]

I pretty much agree with you Junk. Did you read Dbair's entire post? I just think it's "extreme" to actually have the opinion that BP wants mediocre coaches on his staff due to some ego trip he's on. That's laughable.

Your stance on the other hand has merit. I don't bow at BPs feet, but to say he's a horrible coach that only wants shoddy coaches on his staff and that he should be totally blamed for the team going 9-7 (what most expected this season anyway) is off-base.

I simply pointed out, in my opinion of course, that most of the people who are the most critical of Parcells are the ones who either hate Zimmer or were foaming at the mouth when Henson wasn't trotted out on the field in place of VT in 2004, that's all.

That is a fair assessment.