Barber needs to go

[wileedog]

He's home and unfortunately early has the time he needs to properly heal his injuries. He's going to be back in your good graces next season.

I really think head to head, both guys healthy, Choice is a better back.

And that doesn't take into account the 5 seasons of beatings Barber has taken.

It particularly sucks because perhaps if he was used the right way, he could still contribute, but I have to want him gone because our OC/HC/GM insists on running him too much now.

 

[Kangaroo]

That's funny because he had the same YPC as Peterson (with 100 less carries) and undoubtedly had more short yardage obvious running situations...

The same YPC avg as Steven Jackson with 110 less carries... and more TD's

Bottom line is that while I don't think he needs more carries in a game, I certainly don't think he's "hurting" the team as much as many think... I do think that we have transitioned from a "power" running team to a finesse running team, and that certainly doesn't benefit Barber at all... He still has great value to this team... if you can't see that you're blind.

Sure, he didn't have the kind of season he had in '07 this season... but in the two games he played before being injured he was virtually unstoppable... Go rewatch the week 2 game vs the Giants and tell me that before his injury he wasn't a force to be reckoned with...

Sorry I never bought into him as a lead back he always lacked the speed and ability to make people miss consistently. He is a situational back and always has been IMO. I like barber I never thought he was a top 10 back ever. His best role is and will be as a guy carrying the rock in the 4th qtr when teams are tired. Sorry he was not a 40 million back he is not a 20-30 carry a game back that is why he was over payed.

 

[Eskimo]

That's funny because he had the same YPC as Peterson (with 100 less carries) and undoubtedly had more short yardage obvious running situations...

The same YPC avg as Steven Jackson with 110 less carries... and more TD's

Bottom line is that while I don't think he needs more carries in a game, I certainly don't think he's "hurting" the team as much as many think... I do think that we have transitioned from a "power" running team to a finesse running team, and that certainly doesn't benefit Barber at all... He still has great value to this team... if you can't see that you're blind.

Sure, he didn't have the kind of season he had in '07 this season... but in the two games he played before being injured he was virtually unstoppable... Go rewatch the week 2 game vs the Giants and tell me that before his injury he wasn't a force to be reckoned with...

You can't compare him to Peterson because they play for different teams on different lines.

However, you can compare him to his teammates and his ypc is much lower than the other guys. This is despite the fact that he gets to run the draw much more than the other guys and that is the play we tend to get the best blocking on because Gurode gets a chance to get on the MLB before he knows what is happening.

You also have to consider that so long as Barber has the big contract, he is probably the starter which means Felix doesn't get the carries. Do you think we would have done better yesterday without Barber but with Felix getting more carries. I sure do and no one can convince me otherwise.

Felix is a special player and brings much needed speed to an offense that is as slow as molasses with Barber as the RB. This offense will only go as far as Witten, Austin and Felix will take it. You just don't put a potentially great player like Felix on the bench so Barber can plod along out there.

 

[AmericasTeam31]

You can't compare him to Peterson because they play for different teams on different lines.

However, you can compare him to his teammates and his ypc is much lower than the other guys. This is despite the fact that he gets to run the draw much more than the other guys and that is the play we tend to get the best blocking on because Gurode gets a chance to get on the MLB before he knows what is happening.

You also have to consider that so long as Barber has the big contract, he is probably the starter which means Felix doesn't get the carries. Do you think we would have done better yesterday without Barber but with Felix getting more carries. I sure do and no one can convince me otherwise.

Felix is a special player and brings much needed speed to an offense that is as slow as molasses with Barber as the RB. This offense will only go as far as Witten, Austin and Felix will take it. You just don't put a potentially great player like Felix on the bench so Barber can plod along out there.

I'm not arguing that Barber should be starting or what amount of touches he should get. I said that he has value to the team and should have a role in the offense... Whatever that turns out to be, so be it.

Many here were screaming for Julius to be gone and for Barber to be the man, now they are screaming for Barber to be gone? I like Choice, alot. But I'm not one to jump on a bandwagon so easily. You can see the potential, you can see his value, and I do think that he needs/needed to be more involved in the offense as well... But since everyone wants to look at the worst of games for players when wanting them cut, what did Choice do when Barber was out of the playoff game? 14 for 49? That is not even Barber like...

 

[UnoDallas]

That was the issue in the 1st place Jerry over paid because he panicked; the same thing with the Roy trade I was happy we traded for him (even though so far it is been a bust) but Jerry panicked and gave up more than he should have for him.

He should have just tendered Marion when he asked for 40 million he was never a 40 million back

cutting him this year it would be cheaper - his contract is back loaded

2010: $3.86 million, 2011: $4.25 million, 2012: $5.75 million, 2013: $6.25 million, 2014: $7 million, 2015: Free Agent

 

[Kangaroo]

I'm not arguing that Barber should be starting or what amount of touches he should get. I said that he has value to the team and should have a role in the offense... Whatever that turns out to be, so be it.

Many here were screaming for Julius to be gone and for Barber to be the man, now they are screaming for Barber to be gone? I like Choice, alot. But I'm not one to jump on a bandwagon so easily. You can see the potential, you can see his value, and I do think that he needs/needed to be more involved in the offense as well... But since everyone wants to look at the worst of games for players when wanting them cut, what did Choice do when Barber was out of the playoff game? 14 for 49? That is not even Barber like...

I was not one of them and I said we should give him the higher tender and see how he was as a starter. So I was never in that camp; the issue I have is not with barber I do not blame him for the 40 million and taking the contract. In fact he be stupid not to have taken that contract; I put this on the GM that panicked and over payed for him. I do not dislike Barber; I just think we are using him wrong because Jerry payed him to be the lead back and he is not a lead back.

 

[Cali'sFinest]

Do you think we would have done better yesterday without Barber but with Felix getting more carries. I sure do and no one can convince me otherwise.

Felix is a special player and brings much needed speed to an offense that is as slow as molasses with Barber as the RB. This offense will only go as far as Witten, Austin and Felix will take it. You just don't put a potentially great player like Felix on the bench so Barber can plod along out there.

Pretty much sums up my thoughts, I was disappointed to find out that Barber was gonna play because that meant less touches for Felix/Choice.

It's painfully obvious that Felix is special, but aslong as MB has his 40m contract the coaches won't bench him and we'll be destined to watch him hesitate behind the LoS and get tackled for losses.

People can play the injury card all they want, but if you're not 100% then stay out of the game and let the other 2 healthy backs play...

Felix>Barber

 

[Eskimo]

I'm not arguing that Barber should be starting or what amount of touches he should get. I said that he has value to the team and should have a role in the offense... Whatever that turns out to be, so be it.

Many here were screaming for Julius to be gone and for Barber to be the man, now they are screaming for Barber to be gone? I like Choice, alot. But I'm not one to jump on a bandwagon so easily. You can see the potential, you can see his value, and I do think that he needs/needed to be more involved in the offense as well... But since everyone wants to look at the worst of games for players when wanting them cut, what did Choice do when Barber was out of the playoff game? 14 for 49? That is not even Barber like...

You have to remember that we had lost much of our offensive intensity by the second half of the Eagles' game when Choice was getting most of those carries. We weren't being nearly as aggressive once we had the lead and saw that they could not put up points unless we were giving the ball away.

I would be fine with Choice as Felix's backup. I think he is a good player and we need to develop some more packages for him to contribute. I do think he is probably our best short-yardage and goalline back already.

I wouldn't mind grabbing a RB as a UDFA - preferrably someone with very good returner skills to take over KORs.

 

[AmericasTeam31]

I was not one of them and I said we should give him the higher tender and see how he was as a starter. So I was never in that camp; the issue I have is not with barber I do not blame him for the 40 million and taking the contract. In fact he be stupid not to have taken that contract; I put this on the GM that panicked and over payed for him. I do not dislike Barber; I just think we are using him wrong because Jerry payed him to be the lead back and he is not a lead back.

He averaged 1.5 more touches per game this season than he did in 2007... It's not as if his workload has increased that much... Last season however they killed him with carries especially early in the season... And as was recently posted, with his contract backloaded the way it is, there is still plenty of cap value in his contract... There are plenty of backs with less production making alot more than 3.86 million next season... I just don't think it is as bad as everyone here wants to make it out to be...

 

[AmericasTeam31]

You have to remember that we had lost much of our offensive intensity by the second half of the Eagles' game when Choice was getting most of those carries. We weren't being nearly as aggressive once we had the lead and saw that they could not put up points unless we were giving the ball away.

I would be fine with Choice as Felix's backup. I think he is a good player and we need to develop some more packages for him to contribute. I do think he is probably our best short-yardage and goalline back already.

I wouldn't mind grabbing a RB as a UDFA - preferrably someone with very good returner skills to take over KORs.

Well you can't use that arguement against him... Because no one is talking about the loads of short yardage carries that Barber gets with 8 or 9 in the box... killing his YPC AVG....

 

[BAT]

Overreact much people? Barber may not deserve the majority of the reps going forward anymore but he doesn't deserve to get cut. He is FAR from a scrub.

Jeez, I hope your employers, friends and family don't react at "failure" like you folks do.

 

[ThePlaymaker14]

Overreact much people? Barber may not deserve the majority of the reps going forward anymore but he doesn't deserve to get cut. He is FAR from a scrub.

Jeez, I hope your employers, friends and family don't react at "failure" like you folks do.

Never seen so many people turn on a guy who averaged 4.4 yards per carry on a bad knee. A short yardage guy at that, who is going to average less yards per carry than a quicker back. As I said in a previous argument regarding Barber, the majority of Jerome Bettis' years he averaged less than 4 YPC but many considered him a great RB.

Also, I know this is kind of one of those "what-if" things that doesn't mean a whole lot but take it for what its worth..Take out Choice's one 66 yard run against Oakland and he has an average of 4.49 yards per carry.

 

[Jon88]

Overreact much people? Barber may not deserve the majority of the reps going forward anymore but he doesn't deserve to get cut. He is FAR from a scrub.

Jeez, I hope your employers, friends and family don't react at "failure" like you folks do.

It should be over. Having a big seizure after a minimal gain is a loser mentalitity. He sucks. Adios!

 

[Gzus]

In the end you have to rethink his carries and consider bringing a young RB into the mix, ie. Choice. I would love to see Choice get more playing time, and if we do happen to get rid of Barber I would love to see Toby Gerhart as a thumper.

 

[ThePlaymaker14]

It should be over. Having a big seizure after a minimal gain is a loser mentalitity. He sucks. Adios!

Or maybe the rest of the team started to have a loser mentality and he was trying to fire them up? If you watched the Cowboys over the years you would know that Barber was the fire of that offense. When Brooking celebrates after an average play everyone loves it, but when Barber does apparently he's a loser.. makes sense..

 

[SA_Gunslinger]

it's not that he's bad. he's being used in a way that sets him up to fail. a toss sweep to barber should be burned from the playbook. a toss sweep to Jones, however, can be quite effective. and while we're talking about backs, what good is the Razorback if all you are going to do out of that formation is essentially run the same play over and over again. Give them something to worry about or it is useless.

 

[BAT]

It should be over. Having a big seizure after a minimal gain is a loser mentalitity. He sucks. Adios!

You've had big cryfests after losses this season, that is a loser mentality. You suck. Adios.








See how that works?

 

[tico]

He's still a good back but unfortunately for him we have 2 better backs

 

[Yeagermeister]

it's not that he's bad. he's being used in a way that sets him up to fail. a toss sweep to barber should be burned from the playbook. a toss sweep to Jones, however, can be quite effective. and while we're talking about backs, what good is the Razorback if all you are going to do out of that formation is essentially run the same play over and over again. Give them something to worry about or it is useless.

The razorback is useless period. Those pages need to be torn out of the playbook and burned.

 

[Joe_Fan]

Honestly I like Barber and he's a good blocker, I say play him at FB....

First your analysis on Romo and now this.. A $45 million FB..