Barber needs to go

[AmericasTeam31]

He was injured and missed a lot more games again this year

He change his mentality when he became the starter that is why I think either his role needs to change and limit his carries early in the year. He has broken down the last few years this year quad followed by knee

He missed 1 game this season! Count them with me... one!

And it's extremely unlikely that the compensating for the quad injury caused the knee injury, right?

 

[Four]

let the guy have a down year without cutting him, it's not like he hurts the team.

He earned the benefit of the doubt. Don't be so quick to piss on our players, and certainly not those who have shown the kind of heart and touchness that Barber has.

It's called loyalty, and it's a virtue, seriously, I read about it in the bible. Been around for a while. Who knew?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Not sure why so many are pissing on the idea of Barber as FB.

What he's been paid means nothing and what he'll be paid means little.

Look we know he can play RB when healthy.
We know Felix is a better RB.
We know Choice is also good and certainly the most durable.

If you play Barber at FB, you best utilize his skill set and leave more carries for Jones and Choce.

Barber is 6-0 222. That's about 20lbs lighter than most FB.

Question I have is.......does he play to his size? Haven't we seen a player who has played much larger.

He's a very strong player for his size and he loves contact. He would be the smallest FB, but he's also be the quickest. He'd seldom whiff on blocks. He'd also bring more as a runner and receiver than any FB.

The one downside is he would be lacking in the shortyardage/ goal line role. That's where I'd take a page out of the Pats book and use LBs as my short yardage FB.

You certainly have run the gamut on conjecture...

For being such an incredible physical specimen, able to leap tall buidings with a single bound– not too mention he's the fastest human on the planet.

He's the least effective of the 3 backs.

He's overpaid for a running back and would be hugely overpaid as a full-back.

John Phillips is bigger, and dare I say it, stronger.

Plus Phillips is probably a better receiver.

 

[hockix]

. He is the 3rd best RB but Garrett can't resist playing him which is to the detriment of the team.

That's the problem.
Why the hell Garrett is so stoburn and keep playing Barber over Jones and Choice....?

 

[MichaelWinicki]

let the guy have a down year without cutting him, it's not like he hurts the team.

He earned the benefit of the doubt. Don't be so quick to piss on our players, and certainly not those who have shown the kind of heart and touchness that Barber has.

It's called loyalty, and it's a virtue, seriously, I read about it in the bible. Been around for a while. Who knew?

Jerry was loyal to a fault to the players that won the Superbowls...

And it nearly destroyed this team.

Every player has their own time-frame of productivity. Once it's gone, it's gone and they should be gone also.

The clock is ticking on Barber.

 

[AmericasTeam31]

Folks maybe are rushing to judgement on him based on the 2 playoff games where he was legitimately hurt. However ... and I hate to say it b/c I loved what Barber brought ... he's got to come into camp as our 3rd back -- if he can take Choice's job, fine. He's got to embrace being the 100-150 touch back again.

He hasn't had less than 200 touches since Parcells left (after MB's second season). When was he effective as a 100-150 touch back?

If you look at his career splits, his ypc avg between touches 11-20 is higher every year than his ypc avg on carries 1-10... IMO, that just says that when the defense is wearing down, he isn't. At least not as much as some might think...

MBIII avg'd 5.7ypc (52 carries) this season in the fourth quarter!
MBIII also avg'd 6.1ypc (19 carries) this season in the fourth quarter when the score was within 7 points....

Felix in the fourth quarter avg'd 3.1ypc (35 carries) and 1.4ypc (10 carries) in the fourth when the score was within 7 points...

Choice in the fourth quarter avg'd 3.9ypc (28 carries) and 4.1ypc (13 carries) in the fourth when the score was within 7 points...

 

[George]

He's done. Let's draft another rookie with more potential. Maybe he can jumpstart his career elsewhere. I wish the best for him, but it's over here. Let's draft a big bruiser who can do the same thing. We don't need him anymore. Thanks, Marion! You were awesome. It's just time to go in another direction.

I think you ought to consider how dedicated Barber has been to this team. He is a hard-working, dependable back. He typifies what good teams are made of. Just because Felix shows you a few good games, you want to dispose of Marion. Marion stays relatively healthy. Felix does not. Many RB's end up injured during the season. Marion keeps playing.

Getting rid of Marion Barber III would be a big mistake. It would be like getting rid of Miles or Brooking. Dumb move.

 

[Americas_Team]

Barber is still a good player and I'm not sure that he needs to go, but one thing I know is that Felix needs to start the games and get most of the carries.

 

[LOBO7]

Yeah it's that simple. Just cut him out of here, eat all that dead money cause of the big deal you gave him, and just draft someone else.

Well hell everyone should run an NFL franchise then since it's all that easy. I keep forgetting these NFL teams are playing with Monopoly money and not the real thing.





FB...seriously? This is the second mention of that today by someone and I'm wondering, seriously, if you guys understand how many 40 million dollar fullbacks there are in the league.

I'll give you a hint. It's less than 1.

So your thinking weve payed him so we got to play him no matter what?
Fullback is a spot that his current ability might allow him to still be a weapon.
He is just not fast enough to be the feature back of the Dallas Cowboys.
We need break away speed.

 

[sonnyboy]

You certainly have run the gamut on conjecture...

For being such an incredible physical specimen, able to leap tall buidings with a single bound– not too mention he's the fastest human on the planet.

He's the least effective of the 3 backs.

He's overpaid for a running back and would be hugely overpaid as a full-back.

John Phillips is bigger, and dare I say it, stronger.

Plus Phillips is probably a better receiver.

I'm a simple guy. I tend to think the simplest explanation tends to be the best.

From my simple mind point of view........

When I describe Barber's game/skill set or I read someone else's, it reads like a FB.

It's just my opinion that he would thrive in the role.

 

[George]

Jerry was loyal to a fault to the players that won the Superbowls...

And it nearly destroyed this team.

Every player has their own time-frame of productivity. Once it's gone, it's gone and they should be gone also.

The clock is ticking on Barber.

The clock is ticking on every player. What destroyed the Cowboys post-Superbowls is complex; loyalty was low on the list.

Marion is one class act. I would really think low of the Cowboys getting rid of Marion, at this time, unless there was some big-time justification.

 

[wileedog]

Getting rid of Marion Barber III would be a big mistake. It would be like getting rid of Miles or Brooking. Dumb move.

No, it really would be nothing at all like getting rid of Miles or Brooking.

 

[sonnyboy]

So your thinking weve payed him so we got to play him no matter what?
Fullback is a spot that his current ability might allow him to still be a weapon.
He is just not fast enough to be the feature back of the Dallas Cowboys.
We need break away speed.

That's my point. What does it matter what he's being paid?

Let me expand on that.
What he earns does matter. It's a determining factor on if he remains on the roster. If the Cowboys decide that he's paid too much for what he brings to the team, he will be released.

What I'm trying to do, is increase his value to the team. Find a role that best uses his talent and at the same time make the Cowboys a better team.

I think some time at FB would do this.

 

[wileedog]

Marion is one class act. I would really think low of the Cowboys getting rid of Marion, at this time, unless there was some big-time justification.

Being the 3rd best back on the team and making $4M a season is some pretty big time justification.

That $4M could help sign Miles to a long term deal, or be put towards revamping the Oline or replacing a safety, all of which are hugely bigger deals than keeping a 3rd string RB.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The clock is ticking on every player. What destroyed the Cowboys post-Superbowls is complex; loyalty was low on the list.

I disagree strongly with that.

Loyalty caused Jerry to give huge extensions to Aikman, Irvin and the two worst– Emmitt Smith and Larry Allen.

It caused Jerry to trade for Galloway in order to appease Aikman.

Hanging on to players too long due to loyalty was a prime reason the franchise took a giant dump for 13 years.

 

[wileedog]

That's my point. What does it matter what he's being paid?

Because money is finite.

What is the point of converting a tailback into a FB , praying he stays healthy and paying him $4M when you can just draft a natural FB in the 4th or 5th round and pay him $100K?

Again, the money matters, because there are other places on the team where it could be used more effectively than a converted FB.

Barber would probably rebel at the idea anyway. I'm sure he doesn't view himself as a FB.

 

[AmericasTeam31]

Being the 3rd best back on the team and making $4M a season is some pretty big time justification.

That $4M could help sign Miles to a long term deal, or be put towards revamping the Oline or replacing a safety, all of which are hugely bigger deals than keeping a 3rd string RB.

3rd best based on what? That is what I'd like to have answered. Everyone keeps saying it, but no one wants to prove it...

Remember when Julius was the second best RB on our team, and everyone was screaming for Barber to play more?

Or remember when Julius was the next Emmitt?

The back always looks better when the starter struggles. Like it or not...

 

[hockix]

I disagree strongly with that.

Loyalty caused Jerry to give huge extensions to Aikman, Irvin and the two worst– Emmitt Smith and Larry Allen.

It caused Jerry to trade for Galloway in order to appease Aikman.

Hanging on to players too long due to loyalty was a prime reason the franchise took a giant dump for 13 years.

So true...
Hope he won't make those same errors.

Barber's contract was a mistake cause as big a hearth he has.... you have to recognize that the way he is playing, he won't do that long and you can already see his skill decreasing. I couldn't understand the contract then... imagine now.

Jones and Choice are our best chance right now and if Barber is still with the team and not hurt, use him against worse team to keep the others back fresh against better team.

 

[wileedog]

3rd best based on what? That is what I'd like to have answered. Everyone keeps saying it, but no one wants to prove it...

Remember when Julius was the second best RB on our team, and everyone was screaming for Barber to play more?

Or remember when Julius was the next Emmitt?

The back always looks better when the starter struggles. Like it or not...

Both Felix and Choice average a full yard per carry over Barber the past two seasons. And both have done it as starters, this is isn't some case of Troy Hambrick getting a few runs in garbage time at the end of games skewing the stats.

If you can't see that Barber is constantly leaving yards on the field that the other two backs don't, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[George]

Being the 3rd best back on the team and making $4M a season is some pretty big time justification.

That $4M could help sign Miles to a long term deal, or be put towards revamping the Oline or replacing a safety, all of which are hugely bigger deals than keeping a 3rd string RB.

I think Marion has justified $4M. How much his dollar value is in the future, it would obviously be less. You could ask Marion to take a cut but then you would always have RW sitting there making a ton for nearly 0 productivity. You need to line up the roster vs. productivity, loyalty, consistency, injury-prone, etc. before you dump Marion. Marion has been playing hurt.

I can't see the durability of Felix or Tashard. Who replaces them when they get hurt? A rookie RB that costs a ton, that could get hurt? Or, do you attempt to fit a pretty good, dedicated, consistent workhorse RB like Marion in your lineup?

One of the main reasons the Cowboys did well this year is because they worked together like a team. I'd be careful about dumping the consistent team players.