Bargain in shopping D tackles

[Floatyworm]

They adopt strange, arbitrary attitudes towards certain positions and have to be beaten into submission before they abandon their stubborn stance.

I often say that the Jones' prefer being right over being great...despite lacking proof of any actual ability to achieve that goal.

....And we have 30 years of proof to prove it.

 

[pitt33]

Part of this is not accepting the fact Mazi Smith is a bust.

Exactly.

He was a bust right out of the gate.

So was Trysten Hill.

For all the accolades McClay and his scouts get they are not drafting well at this position.

 

[Brooksey]

I honestly think Phillips got benched in the 2nd half.....but no one is confirming that. He was that bad. I would cut him immediately.

The worst I've ever seen, the guy was being pushed 8-10 yards downfield. This is our 1T

 

[pitt33]

David Irving barely turned 31 last month. I bet he can show up and play better than the old DTs the Cowboys recently signed and currently are not playing good.

Man he was solid.

 

[VaqueroTD]

I wonder what happened to all the people here who acted like signing decrepit Linval Joseph was going to transform this defense.

LMAO. Yes, it was comical. Remember making a comment about how bad our DT talent had gotten that this was seen as a great signing.

 

[VaqueroTD]

Part of this is not accepting the fact Mazi Smith is a bust.

Knew we were in trouble when McClay made that comment in offseason that last year‘s draft picks were going to have to grow up fast.

Jones Boys believe in their homegrown talent and will not take no for an answer. Sometimes you need good people around you not afraid to tell the truth.

 

[Smith22]

The Jones boys bargain shopping DT at the last moment is a big reason this defense is soft. Go back and watch how bad they were blown off the line. Jordan Phillips should never see the field again. He was completely manhandled one on one all day. Pushed back 10 yards on one of the TD's. When you have atrocious d tackles then nothing else matters on defense. Micah and Diggs are useless so why pay them? Until the Jones boys understand how important the line of scrimmage is on defense expect to see a soft Cowboys defense when they get punched in the mouth.

Can't disagree with your post at all.

Going into the offseason, DT and RB were obvious needs to everyone on planet Earth minus the cowboys gm/owner and a few others.

 

[gtb1943]

Knew we were in trouble when McClay made that comment in offseason that last year‘s draft picks were going to have to grow up fast.

Jones Boys believe in their homegrown talent and will not take no for an answer. Sometimes you need good people around you not afraid to tell the truth.

that is what you get when you have no fear of ever being fired

 

[CowboyFrog]

Jerry isnt building a Football team he is collecting media hot players...DT's are boring...gimmik LB's who can sack the QB and nothing else who also have a hot take podcast..now thats a player worth 30 mill a year....seriously let that sink in #11 is not a great DE he is a gimmik LB pass rusher who is a liability in the run game..He isnt LT, Bosa, TJ, or so on those guys also played well on run downs...

 

[Sydla]

They adopt strange, arbitrary attitudes towards certain positions and have to be beaten into submission before they abandon their stubborn stance.

I often say that the Jones' prefer being right over being great...despite lacking proof of any actual ability to achieve that goal.

Their lack of belief in the importance of the DT position is just mind numbing. I don't get it and what makes it weird is that they have literally watched their team get bullied for years at DT and they just don't seem to care. Oh, they took Mazi, but he was a risk pick and after he struggled as a rookie, why wouldn't you then get yourself some insurance at the position this offseason?

They have no plan. They just try to accumulate players and that's it. They don't have a philosophy other than hope their draft picks turn into stars that warrant a second contract. That's it.

Nothing crystalizes this lack of a philosophy/plan more than the RB spot. Go back to 2014, Murray was a key cog in that team. But when FA came, Jerry and Stephen made their offer and said they could not go beyond that because their research showed the lack of return in investing in the TB position, that TBs wear down faster than other positions, etc. Then the 2015 season happened. And note, it wasn't because their RBs stunk, it was because the QB got hurt. Nevertheless, suddenly TB was uber important again so they used the 4th pick in the draft on one. Then, despite saying a few years earlier that overpaying for a TB is not wise given the wear and tear on the position, they got bent over a barrel by Elliott and paid him the largest contract in NFL history for a running back. They deemed RB so important that they had to sign their guy to that big deal.

Fast forward to now, they have one of the cheapest RB rooms in the NFL. How do we go from don't overpay/invest in RBs to then invest and overpay for RBs to now we don't want to spend on RBs? I'll tell you how - have an owner and a son who are stooges.

 

[kskboys]

That makes no sense. Toughness is not a product of talent. It's a product of mindset.

Correct. However, toughness does not matter if there is not enough talent.

 

[Creeper]

Wow. Look at this. :55 second mark
Your 2nd level has absolutely no chance when the DL is getting destroyed like this. Unreal....

Look at Linval Joseph. As the play develops he is the only defensive lineman at the LOS. He's looking back wondering what happened to all his teammate who were blocked 5 yards downfield. Who was the DT on the right side? Again the problem is the Saints did not need to double team the Cowboys DL anywhere. They got blockers into the LBs without anyone holding them up.

 

[Creeper]

If anyone did their homework on Phillips you would find he has been ineffective for a while. The Giants were happy to unload him. The fact they would trade him to the Cowboys, a division rival, tell you all you need to know. He plays too high which allows offensive linemen to get under his pads and shove him around like he weight 150 less than he does. I honestly believe we would be better off with Justin Rodgers than Jordan Phillips. The Cowboys clearly do not have an eye for DT talent.

I think Joseph will be better once he gets into shape but how many plays can he give us?

 

[Whirlwin]

Ignore the DT position at the top of every draft and then get 1 for the first time since 1991 and consider it "mission accomplished"

Further ignorong the same position in REAL FA acquisitions just puts the cherry on top

I’ve been asking this for 20 seasons maybe longer , every team that’s one of Super Bowl. What’s the one player that they mentioned during the game the most. Defensive tackle Wilfork, Aaron Donald,.

 

[kskboys]

If anyone did their homework on Phillips you would find he has been ineffective for a while. The Giants were happy to unload him. The fact they would trade him to the Cowboys, a division rival, tell you all you need to know. He plays too high which allows offensive linemen to get under his pads and shove him around like he weight 150 less than he does. I honestly believe we would be better off with Justin Rodgers than Jordan Phillips. The Cowboys clearly do not have an eye for DT talent.

I think Joseph will be better once he gets into shape but how many plays can he give us?

Even worse, they have zero understanding of what makes a DT effective, and generally focus on the wrong traits. Until recently, Jerry was obsessed w/ getting taller DT's just so they could get their hands up and block their 1 pass per season. So he passes on guys like Javon Hargrave, Mike Daniels, Grady Jarrett, guys who aren't 6-5.

 

[cowboyec]

when they do their draft prep for dt's....just do the opposite.
maybe...then we'll hit it.

 

[CowboyFrog]

I’ve been asking this for 20 seasons maybe longer , every team that’s one of Super Bowl. What’s the one player that they mentioned during the game the most. Defensive tackle

for sure we need better DT's but how in the hell can we not get our DE's to hold the edge when the other teams runs the same stretch play over and over and over they just kept crashing instead of straffing down the line to push it towards the sideline..hell #11 couldnt wait to get inside it was the dumbest thing ive seen ..well since the GB game...Im guessing the NO OC was like "Holy crap these DE's are really gonna keep crashing! ...Run it again!!"

 

[JohnsKey19]

Look at Linval Joseph. As the play develops he is the only defensive lineman at the LOS. He's looking back wondering what happened to all his teammate who were blocked 5 yards downfield. Who was the DT on the right side? Again the problem is the Saints did not need to double team the Cowboys DL anywhere. They got blockers into the LBs without anyone holding them up.

When is the last time a Dallas OL did anything resembling this? 2016 maybe?

 

[Whirlwin]

for sure we need better DT's but how in the hell can we not get our DE's to hold the edge when the other teams runs the same stretch play over and over and over they just kept crashing instead of straffing down the line to push it towards the sideline..hell #11 couldnt wait to get inside it was the dumbest thing ive seen ..well since the GB game...Im guessing the NO OC was like "Holy crap these DE's are really gonna keep crashing! ...Run it again!!"

When they run the stretch. The line backer is supposed to break through the line and catch them from behind. Kendrick did that one time in the first quarter. And that was it. He was slow afterwards. I don’t know.

 

[CowboyFrog]

When they run the stretch. The line backer is supposed to break through the line and catch them from behind. Kendrick did that one time in the first quarter. And that was it. He was slow afterwards. I don’t know.

The DE's have to stay square to the line and walk that thing to the sideline, ours have thier ears pineed back going after the QB 100% of the time, its easy pickings for the OL seal the LB's kick out the crashing DE and lanes all over the place wide....watch our stretch plays and how they lead to Zeke going out of bounds...those DE's stayed home and walked it wide..